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Sbee said:
That's exactly why they recommend it.
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sure that's what they say but that's not true for everyone. The people who are at serious risk of a negative outcome from the virus should take the vaccine. They're not saying that. They're saying everyone should take the vaccine, including children who have no real risk of death or serious illness.
 
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michchamp said:
I don't consider "work from home" white collar workers to be the moneyed class. Some of them might think they are... people delivering their food might think they are, but they're really not.

By "moneyed" I'm talking about people with enough money to buy a Stanford professor to put his name on a hack paper downplaying the thread COVID posed, or funding protests against mask mandates and shutdowns.

There's a bigger gulf between the moneyed class and white collar workers, than there is between the white collars and the delivery people. But that's why the "culture wars" come into play...
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does that include the people who control virtually all the research money that goes to universities (i.e. incompetent government bureaucrats and partisan academics) or just people you disagree with? Does it only apply to people who spend their own money to fund research and not folks who allocate other peoples' money to people who will provide the outcomes they favor?
 
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michchamp said:
I don't consider "work from home" white collar workers to be the moneyed class. Some of them might think they are... people delivering their food might think they are, but they're really not.

By "moneyed" I'm talking about people with enough money to buy a Stanford professor to put his name on a hack paper downplaying the thread COVID posed, or funding protests against mask mandates and shutdowns.

There's a bigger gulf between the moneyed class and white collar workers, than there is between the white collars and the delivery people. But that's why the "culture wars" come into play...
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I guess you were hoping (again) that no one would read the piece you linked to. From the bit about the Stanford professor's research being bought and paid for

Ioannidis added that he did not know how much the study cost, but the funding came from an anonymized pool of financial gifts given to Stanford?s Office of Development: ?This form of funding is the most unconflicted type of funding process to do research. It secures perfect intellectual and scientific independence of the study.?

It get's better though...the moneyed class elitist said the professors knew he gave the money, a whopping $5k donation to be given to the two professors. I'm sure these Stanford professors sold their souls and risked their careers for a whopping five grand. I bet they did the study for less than 4 Gs and pocketed $500 a piece to live large like a moneyed class billionaire. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Thanks for that one - best thing I've read in a while.

And the next piece is even better - the Koch brothers funded an anti-mask protest!!!! Probably to profit off of people not wearing masks, somehow no doubt!!!! And the final piece - holy shit, conservative groups are against lockdowns! OMG, these freedom loving SOBs are exercising their first amendment rights - DURING A PANDEMIC!!!!! They must be from a hate group.

Meanwhile, George Soros funds groups that protest problems that don't exist, causing billions in public and private property destruction in the middle of a pandemic - totally cool. By the way sbee, all that destruction that was encouraged and promoted by your team in urban centers all across America, over made up problems, that was definitely NOT in the economic interests of the people committing and/or being victimized by all that destruction.
 
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Spartanmack said:
It get's better though...the moneyed class elitist said the professors knew he gave the money, a whopping $5k donation to be given to the two professors. I'm sure these Stanford professors sold their souls and risked their careers for a whopping five grand. I bet they did the study for less than 4 Gs and pocketed $500 a piece to live large like a moneyed class billionaire.
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that is funny. $5k...probably not even enough to cover a house payment in Stanford, CA
 
Sbee said:
The idea that people put themselves at risk of getting the vaccine is pure insanity. The benefits of the vaccine are proven, the risks are all speculation.
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In your opinion, I disagree with your opinion, I decided long ago not to get the vaccine because I concluded my personal risk of dying from covid was far less than my risk of vaccine adverse reaction from it given a personal history of Guillain-Barr? like issues. That was my decision, you nor anyone else should have the right to then try to force others into making the decision you think is the right one.


oh and No I would be in the don't believe nor trust the CDC camp, BigPhrama is in control of it all IMO Watch Dope Sick Hulu things haven't really changed much.
 
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tomdalton22 said:
that is funny. $5k...probably not even enough to cover a house payment in Stanford, CA
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If $5k is all it takes to buy a Stanford professor, that would probably even put Champ in the Moneyed Class category. He's moneyed class and he doesn't even know it. It's like he's a bear and those Stanford professors are little bunnies and he doesn't even know it.

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michchamp said:
I don't consider "work from home" white collar workers to be the moneyed class. Some of them might think they are... people delivering their food might think they are, but they're really not.

By "moneyed" I'm talking about people with enough money to buy a Stanford professor to put his name on a hack paper downplaying the thread COVID posed, or funding protests against mask mandates and shutdowns.

There's a bigger gulf between the moneyed class and white collar workers, than there is between the white collars and the delivery people. But that's why the "culture wars" come into play...
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God you?re funny.

That Stanford study horse has been dead for two years.

The $5 G ?bribe? notwithstanding, studies done by LA County in conjunction with USC and the County of Los Angeles, and by the City of New York, came up with the same scientific/public health conclusions - I rewinded a link I posted about that from almost two years ago within the last couple weeks, right after your most recent beating of that dead horse.

$5K is a fraction of what those studies cost.

Was the Jet Blue guy bribing every well paid (not moneyed class but well paid) researcher with $5 K, one researcher per study?

Was there a well paid researcher on every study - most will end up with seven figure net worths by the age of 45 or 50 - willing to risk their reputation for five thousand fucking lousy dollars?

My friend, I gotta ask you - do you even actually read the shit you link to? Do you actually think through the shit you post?

Because you?re making yourself look ridiculous.
 
tinselwolverine said:
God you?re funny.

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My friend, I gotta ask you - do you even actually read the shit you link to? Do you actually think through the shit you post?

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yes. the counter argument you're all making is "$5,000 isn't much of a bribe" not "there was no bribe."

I don't need to change my position on anything. And there's plenty of evidence all the anti-mask/anti-lockdown protests were not spontaneous; this is not a "working class movement" it's the same astro-turfing campaign, like the Tea Party before it, funded by billionaires opposed to every public measure/government authority, because they view any government action as a threat to their own power. But hey, just quibble with the $5K thing and declare victory.

There's a mountain of evidence that the countries that pursued stronger restrictions to limit the spread did it right. You can look around the world, and compare excess deaths.

Those that didn't suffered more deaths, and more disruptions anyway when huge amounts of people got COVID.

And the "herd strategy" didn't produce immunity either; omicron infection rates were high even in countries that had high case numbers of previous variants.

I suppose this is all immaterial though, since our country is pursuing a the "who gives a fuck it people die" strategy and we're not going to change that.
 
michchamp said:
yes. the counter argument you're all making is "$5,000 isn't much of a bribe" not "there was no bribe."

I don't need to change my position on anything. And there's plenty of evidence all the anti-mask/anti-lockdown protests were not spontaneous; this is not a "working class movement" it's the same astro-turfing campaign, like the Tea Party before it, funded by billionaires opposed to every public measure/government authority, because they view any government action as a threat to their own power. But hey, just quibble with the $5K thing and declare victory.

There's a mountain of evidence that the countries that pursued stronger restrictions to limit the spread did it right. You can look around the world, and compare excess deaths.

Those that didn't suffered more deaths, and more disruptions anyway when huge amounts of people got COVID.

And the "herd strategy" didn't produce immunity either; omicron infection rates were high even in countries that had high case numbers of previous variants.

I suppose this is all immaterial though, since our country is pursuing a the "who gives a fuck it people die" strategy and we're not going to change that.
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I thought it was obvious but apparently not obvious enough for you so let me be clear, I'm saying unequivocally THERE WAS NO BRIBE.

And also, just to be clear - after getting your ass handed to you consistently for 11 years and never changing your position, no one expects you to change your opinion on this. I personally find it hilarious, but by all means go ahead, die on this hill too.

The next four paragraphs of this post are also wrong, full of BS conjecture and nonsense - nothing new here, nothing worth addressing for the 100th time.
 
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michchamp said:
yes. the counter argument you're all making is "$5,000 isn't much of a bribe" not "there was no bribe."

I don't need to change my position on anything. And there's plenty of evidence all the anti-mask/anti-lockdown protests were not spontaneous; this is not a "working class movement" it's the same astro-turfing campaign, like the Tea Party before it, funded by billionaires opposed to every public measure/government authority, because they view any government action as a threat to their own power. But hey, just quibble with the $5K thing and declare victory.

There's a mountain of evidence that the countries that pursued stronger restrictions to limit the spread did it right. You can look around the world, and compare excess deaths.

Those that didn't suffered more deaths, and more disruptions anyway when huge amounts of people got COVID.

And the "herd strategy" didn't produce immunity either; omicron infection rates were high even in countries that had high case numbers of previous variants.

I suppose this is all immaterial though, since our country is pursuing a the "who gives a fuck it people die" strategy and we're not going to change that.
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Where?s the data on the efficacy of lockdown vs non-lockdown? We?ve had some data on the worthlessness of the lockdown here from a preliminary Johns Hopkins study, naturally that was the result of another ?bribe.?

We know who paid the ?bribe? at Stanford and who received it. Who paid the ?bribe? with the LA County USC and the City of New York studies that yielded the same result? - COVID WAS NOT AS DANGEROUS AS MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT IN THE BEGINNING - we knew who was at high risk and who wasn?t. That?s a fact. It is beyond me why any people would be disappointed or upset by that. I find that kind of perverse.

Of course the protests were organized. Those sorts of things tend not to happen spontaneously nor organically.


The George Floyd protests and the occupy Wall Street protests and the protests against Trump when he was inaugurated in 2017 were also all organized.

What the hell does the protest having been organized prove?

EDIT: I heard on the radio as that of a quarter of 1 million excess deaths in the United States that were not a result of Covid but were a direct result of the deleterious vagaries of the lockdown. I?ll look to dig up a link to that report.
 
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tinselwolverine said:
Where?s the data on the efficacy of lockdown vs non-lockdown? We?ve had some data on the worthlessness of the lockdown here from a preliminary Johns Hopkins study, naturally that was the result of another ?bribe.?

We know who paid the ?bribe? at Stanford and who received it. Who paid the ?bribe? with the LA County USC and the City of New York studies that yielded the same result? - COVID WAS NOT AS DANGEROUS AS MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT IN THE BEGINNING - we knew who was at high risk and who wasn?t. That?s a fact. It is beyond me why any people would be disappointed or upset by that. I find that kind of perverse.

Of course the protests were organized. Those sorts of things tend not to happen spontaneously nor organically.


The George Floyd protests and the occupy Wall Street protests and the protests against Trump when he was inaugurated in 2017 were also all organized.

What the hell does the protest having been organized prove?

EDIT: I heard on the radio as that of a quarter of 1 million excess deaths in the United States that were not a result of Covid but were a direct result of the deleterious vagaries of the lockdown. I?ll look to dig up a link to that report.
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if available, could you also provide the names of the moneyed class oligarchs who paid the bribes for that study? Thanks in advance.
 
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Spartanmack said:
if available, could you also provide the names of the moneyed class oligarchs who paid the bribes for that study?
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Well, I heard MD Martin Makary of John Hopkins talking about it, so probably the same ones who paid the bribe to doctor the study regarding the worthlessness of the lockdowns here - is it the Koch brothers are we going with?

With David gone, arguably there are no longer the Koch brothers, although David does have a surviving twin brother Billy, but Charles ran him off the ranch decades ago in a battle to control the empire.

So it?s kind of nebulous as to whether there are Koch brothers anymore or not.
 
Sbee said:
Of course we can find another reason why hospitals have long waits, maybe it's because our food is garbage and we're a country of fat asses that die of preventable disease, we can always find another cause to be contrarian. If I'm waiting and the hospital is filled with Covid patients during a high period of transmission, I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that vaccination would have lessened the problem.
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perhaps, but so would not firing unvaccinated health care workers - many hospital systems have plenty of beds but a shortage of workers and since most urban and suburban hospital systems weren't overwhelmed in terms of beds, it's possible you were dealing with a labor shortage.

Sbee said:
Vaccines do prevent transmission, less so with Omicron, mainly because the vaccines lag behind the variants.
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no, they don't. They don't prevent infection and they don't prevent transmission. That's simply false.

Sbee said:
Of course we don't know if the vaccine would have saved my friend, but we know that vaccines make death much less likely. You're arguing against common sense, just because it's coming from someone on the left, which is the main reason 1,000 people a day are still dying of Covid.
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I'm not arguing against common sense. I'm arguing against using tragic anecdotes to make the case for everyone to be vaccinated and for counting them as personal sacrifices you've made. Also, it has nothing to do with the source - most conservatives and Republicans advocate for the vaccine. Their opposition, like mine is to the mandates.
 
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tinselwolverine said:
Where?s the data on the efficacy of lockdown vs non-lockdown? We?ve had some data on the worthlessness of the lockdown here from a preliminary Johns Hopkins study, naturally that was the result of another ?bribe.?

We know who paid the ?bribe? at Stanford and who received it. Who paid the ?bribe? with the LA County USC and the City of New York studies that yielded the same result? - COVID WAS NOT AS DANGEROUS AS MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT IN THE BEGINNING - we knew who was at high risk and who wasn?t. That?s a fact. It is beyond me why any people would be disappointed or upset by that. I find that kind of perverse.

Of course the protests were organized. Those sorts of things tend not to happen spontaneously nor organically.


The George Floyd protests and the occupy Wall Street protests and the protests against Trump when he was inaugurated in 2017 were also all organized.

What the hell does the protest having been organized prove?

EDIT: I heard on the radio as that of a quarter of 1 million excess deaths in the United States that were not a result of Covid but were a direct result of the deleterious vagaries of the lockdown. I?ll look to dig up a link to that report.
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Here Makary talks about excess deaths, mostly from substance abuse and delayed medical treatment for non-Covid illness as a result of the lockdowns, in an article primarily about the Johns Hopkins study. How the number of excess deaths is quantified isn?t demonstrated; additionally, there are many links to criticisms of the Johns Hopkins study.

So we?ll see where the data goes from here as it?s uncovered.

My friend MichChamp, I just read over some posts and I saw you posted something to the effect ?not much of a bribe? not being the same as ?no bribe.?


I recall TomDalton22 first posted something like ?not much of a bribe;? I read that as sarcasm.

The article you linked to explains multiple donations were made into an anonymous pool - there was no bribe.

The title of the BuzzFeed article that implied there were nefarious undertakings afoot is what we in the know refer to as ?clickbait.?

Hope this helps.
 
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