Coronainsanity

[Michchamp]

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on a side note, 268K fewer pumping money into social security and 817K fewer people taking out. Interesting. Maybe a government plot

I think you're on to something there, and to paraphrase a somewhat famous saying "...it would be irresponsible NOT to speculate."

I don't know if they've actually crunched the numbers so to speak, and decided this is a better way to finally gut social security & retirement programs, or they really only want to see the social system they govern and profit extensively from continue to hum along, without regard for how many people die, how much our life expectancy falls during the time, or how sick we get.

There's a huge gap between what people in power, or with political clout (and even some of our nominal political leaders (such as this person)) are saying and doing, and what they're telling us to do.

There's been a bit of press about how much more stringent the COVID protections are Davos & the World Economica Forum, versus what those same people in attendence are telling us we have to live with. Some of this press is even from non-libtard or non-"socialistic" sources, like Forbes (link):

Now, if you were someone who somehow thought that Covid-19 precautions were no longer needed, you might be inclined to say, ?WTF WEF,? after seeing that WEF list. For example, the WEF still has fairly stringent Covid-19 testing requirements: ?Participants are required to get tested in one of the Forum testing centres after arriving in Davos and picking up their badge. Conducting a test will keep the badge active and grant the access to the Annual Meeting?s venues. Failing to conduct an onsite test or a positive test result will lead to the badge being deactivated.? Badge getting deactivated sounds like they?re taking this Covid-19 thing pretty seriously.

And apparently the WEF has been facing the facts that face masks can prevent transmission of the virus with the following requirement: ?On Forum-provided official transport, all drivers will wear masks at all times.? The WEF has also been offering participants free face masks, both surgical and higher-quality filtering face piece 2 (FFP2) masks. The FFP2 masks use the European standard and are nearly comparable to N95 respirators.
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Who would the "useful idiots" be here? The people - for 3 years now - urging caution for others, and begging our political establishment to take this more seriously (at least in their policies that affect everyone, not just billionaires...), or the people going along with the billionaires are saying, but not themselves doing?

 

[mhughes0021]

pot, meet kettle...

You don't have discussion... you throw out meaningless data about some obscure subset... pass it off as factual evidence and say everyone else is wrong.

 

[Spartanmack]

You don't have discussion... you throw out meaningless data about some obscure subset... pass it off as factual evidence and say everyone else is wrong.

this is simply not correct. You're the one who doesn't have discussion, you just criticize people for not following advice that's not grounded in science and disregard any contrary opinions, even those actually based on data. You're a sheep.

 

[mhughes0021]

this is simply not correct. You're the one who doesn't have discussion, you just criticize people for not following advice that's not grounded in science and disregard any contrary opinions, even those actually based on data. You're a sheep.

Vaccines weren't made by science? Interesting take. Do tell...

 

[Spartanmack]

Vaccines weren't made by science? Interesting take. Do tell...

thanks for making my point...again.

 

[mhughes0021]

thanks for making my point...again.

Thanks for making mine. This is not a discussion. You say you follow the science. I point out that vaccines are made by science. You come back with something dumb. Proving the fact that anytime someone tries to communicate with you... they are now dumber.

 

[Spartanmack]

Thanks for making mine. This is not a discussion. You say you follow the science. I point out that vaccines are made by science. You come back with something dumb. Proving the fact that anytime someone tries to communicate with you... they are now dumber.

no, claiming an untested vaccine is something everyone should take because it was "made by science" is the dumb comeback. Par for the course for you. A couple of times you've complained about me posting facts to support my positions - now you're gonna tell me you're following the science because that's how the vaccines were made "through science." It doesn't get dumber than that.

 

[tomdalton22]

no, claiming an untested vaccine is something everyone should take because it was "made by science" is the dumb comeback. Par for the course for you. A couple of times you've complained about me posting facts to support my positions - now you're gonna tell me you're following the science because that's how the vaccines were made "through science." It doesn't get dumber than that.

I think the "vaxxers" are correct that the vaccines were made using science. The only problem is they weren't tested to the same extent that other vaccines have been in the past.

 

[Michchamp]

I think the "vaxxers" are correct that the vaccines were made using science. The only problem is they weren't tested to the same extent that other vaccines have been in the past.

They were definitely tested. There was a whole public-private initiative to do this. To call them untested is disingenuous.

There's also a darkly hilarious disconnect between the way the same people who angrily insisted COVID was nothing, we shouldn't do anything about it, masks didn't work, lockdowns didn't work, it was nothing to worry about , etc. from Day 1, LITERALLY when no one knew shit about the potential effects of COVID... and then turned around and screamed bloody murder about how dangerous COVID vaccines would be with no evidence.

 

[tomdalton22]

They were definitely tested. There was a whole public-private initiative to do this. To call them untested is disingenuous.

There's also a darkly hilarious disconnect between the way the same people who angrily insisted COVID was nothing, we shouldn't do anything about it, masks didn't work, lockdowns didn't work, it was nothing to worry about , etc. from Day 1, LITERALLY when no one knew shit about the potential effects of COVID... and then turned around and screamed bloody murder about how dangerous COVID vaccines would be with no evidence.

I didn't say that they weren't tested. I said they weren't tested to the same extent that other vaccines have been in the past.

 

[Michchamp]

I didn't say that they weren't tested. I said they weren't tested to the same extent that other vaccines have been in the past.

yeah, yeah, I was agreeing with you.

mr. spartanscientist called them untested a couple posts above.

 

[tomdalton22]

yeah, yeah, I was agreeing with you.

mr. spartanscientist called them untested a couple posts above.

gotcha

 

[tinselwolverine]

yeah, yeah, I was agreeing with you.

Tom Dalton 22 is right.

They were not tested to the degree that vaccines would normally be tested.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think the "vaxxers" are correct that the vaccines were made using science. The only problem is they weren't tested to the same extent that other vaccines have been in the past.

That?s my point. Of course the vaccines weren?t developed by lawyers or fireman or chefs. Although I'm sure lawyers did play a big role in making sure Big Pharma couldn't be sued for any harm caused by them. What these morons don?t seem to understand is the science doesn?t end there - lots of unsafe medications that were more rigorously tested have been approved and used, then pulled and banned. And to call them tested, implying that they went through the same rigorous process as previous vaccines and medications or say that we can know what the long term effects are is absurd and a complete lie. Of course pedantic morons like Hughes and mc will light their hair on fire and jump up and down calling people names and screaming that they were in fact ?tested? and they're safe and effective because "science."

Edit: like with the climate change boogey man, the science is NOT settled with these vaccines. You would have to be in complete denial to think there?s no way all these unusual medical events can?t possibly be caused by the vaccines and therefore no one should be asking questions. It?s as if they don?t want to find out that the vaccine they rushed to take could be doing more harm than good for them.

 

[byco42]

Unless there's accountability for the GOF, loosing, and counter-productive methods of minimizing the impact of COVID19, the deception of the efficacy of "vaccination", this will reoccur, and it will be 1,000 times worse than this debacle.

And the powers-who-shoudn't-be who escaped initial tribunal punishment will trigger the next event, just like they did this one.

They've already told us what they are doing to do. And they are the same people proposing the solutions after the fact.

Link The narrative will twirl and terrorize the public for as long as it allows.

Like the Twilight Zone episode "A Nick in Time."

Meanwhile, this thread spins in place.

 

[mhughes0021]

That?s my point. Of course the vaccines weren?t developed by lawyers or fireman or chefs. Although I'm sure lawyers did play a big role in making sure Big Pharma couldn't be sued for any harm caused by them. What these morons don?t seem to understand is the science doesn?t end there - lots of unsafe medications that were more rigorously tested have been approved and used, then pulled and banned. And to call them tested, implying that they went through the same rigorous process as previous vaccines and medications or say that we can know what the long term effects are is absurd and a complete lie. Of course pedantic morons like Hughes and mc will light their hair on fire and jump up and down calling people names and screaming that they were in fact ?tested? and they're safe and effective because "science."

Edit: like with the climate change boogey man, the science is NOT settled with these vaccines. You would have to be in complete denial to think there?s no way all these unusual medical events can?t possibly be caused by the vaccines and therefore no one should be asking questions. It?s as if they don?t want to find out that the vaccine they rushed to take could be doing more harm than good for them.

What are even even arguing about now? You're crying about a vaccine not being tested? There's been over 700 million doses administered in the US. What more of a fucking test do you need? Deaths greatly decreased. The general population back to business as usual.

Thank you science!

But your dumb ass will point to the 10 ppl that died from the vaccine and the 30 ppl that had a heart attack a couple months after the vaccine and claim the vaccine is untested and kills everyone.

And yes... we know what happens when covid runs rampant in countries that have lesser vaccines than we do... cause we have China. Thank you China for proving our science right.

Ps... if any of that isn't good enough for you....it was tested. Saying it wasn't tested is a flat out ignorant lie. It was tested by 1000s of people with a positive result mind you when hospitals were flooded and body bags were piling up. You can say it wasn't tested to your liking (the liking of a dumbass who has demonstrated he has no fucking clue)... but to say it wasn't tested is simply wrong. But then again you're wrong alot so I'm not surprised.

 

[Spartanmack]

What are even even arguing about now? You're crying about a vaccine not being tested? There's been over 700 million doses administered in the US. What more of a fucking test do you need? Deaths greatly decreased. The general population back to business as usual.

Thank you science!

But your dumb ass will point to the 10 ppl that died from the vaccine and the 30 ppl that had a heart attack a couple months after the vaccine and claim the vaccine is untested and kills everyone.

And yes... we know what happens when covid runs rampant in countries that have lesser vaccines than we do... cause we have China. Thank you China for proving our science right.

Ps... if any of that isn't good enough for you....it was tested. Saying it wasn't tested is a flat out ignorant lie. It was tested by 1000s of people with a positive result mind you when hospitals were flooded and body bags were piling up. You can say it wasn't tested to your liking (the liking of a dumbass who has demonstrated he has no fucking clue)... but to say it wasn't tested is simply wrong. But then again you're wrong alot so I'm not surprised.

Where'd you get your data from? Oh that's right, you don't like data. Numbers don't matter because science developed the vaccine.

If it was tested and proven effective and safe, why is so much data coming out that indicate it's causing harm and not effective. Why have other countries banned vaccines for children, why have some said adults under a certain age shouldn't take them. Why are so many doctors speaking out against them? And what exactly does China's experience prove? Definitely not what you think it does.

 

[mhughes0021]

Where'd you get your data from? Oh that's right, you don't like data. Numbers don't matter because science developed the vaccine.

If it was tested and proven effective and safe, why is so much data coming out that indicate it's causing harm and not effective. Why have other countries banned vaccines for children, why have some said adults under a certain age shouldn't take them. Why are so many doctors speaking out against them? And what exactly does China's experience prove? Definitely not what you think it does.

I can ask a bunch of questions that don't prove anything too. What harm? How is it not effective when data shows otherwise?

China uses a vaccine with much lower efficacy. They opened up shop and a ton of people died. Theres your test....

 

[Spartanmack]

I can ask a bunch of questions that don't prove anything too. What harm? How is it not effective when data shows otherwise?

China uses a vaccine with much lower efficacy. They opened up shop and a ton of people died. Theres your test....

That's right, questions don't prove anything - but we should still ask them and expect transparency and honesty but we're getting neither.

I'm not sure what point you're making about China. A ton of people died here too. That doesn't prove anything about the vaccines that were administered here - or any of the other available treatments.

 

[Spartanmack]

Follow the money?

Pretty soon, now that COVID fatigue has set in, the narrative will switch to ?So it came from a lab in China, what difference does it make? Why don?t you care about the millions of people that died?? and the sheep will go along with it. Move along folks, nothing to see here.