Detroit Lions FA Thread

[mhughes0021]

Okay I need to know. Who are these people that thinks we're as good as the Seahawks?

Chris Berman said we are talented once in like week 14 of 2011 so LKP thinks is has to be real. a lot of analysts say were talented....but they always follow it up with "but for some reason they cant figure it out. They need to stop shooting themselves in the foot with costly penalties and turnovers. Matt Stafford needs to stop playing like bleeding vagina." yes...those are direct quotes. the difference is the analysts know that's part of the game. LKP on the other hand has a wealth of miracle stats of what our team should look like cause all the bad stuff like turnovers and injuries are bad luck and don't count when it works negatively in the lions favor.

When you constantly turn the ball over like we do and constantly cant force any turnovers....going on years.....it means youre not any good as a football team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

When I was a kid, my dad used to watch Jeopardy every night, and he would answer every single question "Who is Napoleon?".

After about 8 years of this, one night the answer was "This leader was exiled to the island of Elba before making his return to France" (or something like that) and may dad says "Who is Napoleon?".

BOOM! He was finally right. He got up from his favorite chair, wandered over to the TV and turned it off, and never watched Jeopardy again.

Before he died I asked him why he stopped watching Jeopardy after he finally got the answer right. He told me "I am going out on top.".

That's LKP here folks. He's going to keep chanting that this team is championship calibre year after year after year, and when the Lions finally do with the SuperBowl (and make no mistake, they will someday) he's going to say "See, told you guys all along".

Now that's a story..

Two things I got from that (great story btw). One, your dad had better odds of being right than any Lions fan who keeps saying, "we'll be good this year" - it only took your dad eight years. Two, if the Lions ever do win the Super Bowl I may just never watch football again and save myself another half century of misery.

That's not a bad plan, win a SB and be done with it. Hopefully I'm not on my deathbed.

 

[mhughes0021]

im still waiting for Pettigrew not to fumble, fox to be healthy and broyles to contribute. lmao...fuckin lkp.

 

[tomdalton22]

Turnovers and injuries screwed them. The talent is undeniable. One of these years they will stop shooting themselves in the foot

The Lions have one playoff win in the past 60 years...how do they have any feet left with all of those bullet holes?

 

[michiganalex]

Okay I need to know. Who are these people that thinks we're as good as the Seahawks?

The bobblehead dolls he has of William Clay Ford Sr

 

[michiganalex]

Injuries r a factor but so is lack of depth and coaching

 

[LKP]

I haven't been saying this for years. You people just make shit up as usual. They were awful in the Millen years and mediocre in the 90s with no QB. 3 years I've been saying this and I was right in 2011. This team is talented but turnovers and injuries killed them. They are still a good talented team despite and should win more than 4 and 7 games. The only thing that has bearing in 2014 is their talent, not their past turnover problems.

 

[tomdalton22]

I haven't been saying this for years. You people just make shit up as usual. They were awful in the Millen years and mediocre in the 90s with no QB. 3 years I've been saying this and I was right in 2011. This team is talented but turnovers and injuries killed them. They are still a good talented team despite and should win more than 4 and 7 games. The only thing that has bearing in 2014 is their talent, not their past turnover problems.

so you said they were supposed to be great for the past 3 years. In 2012 you said they were better than the Seahawks who went 11-5 and made the playoffs (Lions 4-12) and last year you continuted to say they were better than the Super Bowl winning team while the Lions didn't make the playoffs. As far as their past turnover problems....they still have their biggest offenders in that department. What makes you think that problem will go away.

You are wrong more often than you are right. Why would we start buying into what you are saying this time?

 

[LKP]

im still waiting for Pettigrew not to fumble, fox to be healthy and broyles to contribute. lmao...fuckin lkp.

I'm still waiting for Levy to suck, Stafford not to be good on 3rd down and throw a boat load of TDs and the pass rush not to be rated highly based on pass rush productivity. Fuckin hughes.

 

[LKP]

so you said they were supposed to be great for the past 3 years. In 2012 you said they were better than the Seahawks who went 11-5 and made the playoffs (Lions 4-12) and last year you continuted to say they were better than the Super Bowl winning team while the Lions didn't make the playoffs. As far as their past turnover problems....they still have their biggest offenders in that department. What makes you think that problem will go away.

You are wrong more often than you are right. Why would we start buying into what you are saying this time?

Becase you ignore the talent and root causes of the problem in 2012 and 2013. 2012 they had injury issues and less depth. 2013 they had a ton of talent but they shot themselves in the foot in a 7 game stretch (wasn't all season, 6-3 start proves me right).

 

[tomdalton22]

Becase you ignore the talent and root causes of the problem in 2012 and 2013. 2012 they had injury issues and less depth. 2013 they had a ton of talent but they shot themselves in the foot in a 7 game stretch (wasn't all season, 6-3 start proves me right).

and their 1-6 finish proves the rest of us right!

Every time you bring up the injury excuse enforces my argument that they don't have a SB roster....they have a top heavy roster with NO DEPTH! You don't make the SB with a team like that. You start fast then fall off when injuries happen. (see 6-3 start and 1-6 finish)

 

[LKP]

and their 1-6 finish proves the rest of us right!

Every time you bring up the injury excuse enforces my argument that they don't have a SB roster....they have a top heavy roster with NO DEPTH! You don't make the SB with a team like that. You start fast then fall off when injuries happen. (see 6-3 start and 1-6 finish)

Sometimes the depth gets hurt too. Calvin missed 2 games. Both away division losses, our only divison losses. Calvin wasn't the only one hurt. They were missing one other big weapon for each of those games (Burleson at GB and Pettigrew/Broyles at Minnesota). Injuries are a game by game thing and most losses, the Lions were the more injured team. Sometimes the Lions dpeth did play well. Slay against GB, Green and Greenwood against Giants, Greenwood at Minnesota, Bell at Washington, Mathis taking over for Slay, Willie Young for Jason Jones.

Sometimes the depth didn't play well, Fox anytime in for Waddle, though Hilliard did well early in the season coming in for Fox, Bell for Bush in the Eagles game (2 fumbles). Carey in the nickel role other than the at Bears, Bentley as an outside CB against the Giants before injury. Sometimes injuries affected on field play (Houston TDs given up to James Jones and Tiquan Underwood)

 

[tonyballs]

Pettigrew blows. Bell is a part time back. and tate is fine piece but mayhew blew his wad on him and yet we STILL have a WR need. Good job mayhew! FAs want to play for winners...the lions exude loserness....that's why FAs don't want to come here. Stafford pulls his head out of his ass and wins a couple games at the end of the year and I guarantee you we have FAs that want to come play for a division winner. But Stafford played like a loser....so he lost....a lot.

you think we have depth along the dline? you really are either stupid or blinded by homerism.

you think all the FAs went to Denver or NE? now im starting to feel bad cause im arguing with the mentally handicapped.

Pettigrew blows. I can live with that. But he's a starter and he knows the offense and he's been with Staff from day 1. Bell is a huge part of the offense and was a must re-sign. And of course WR is still a need!! Did you forget about Durham, Broyles, Ogletree or whatever scrub they throw in there? Even if Tate wasn't signed and they drafted a WR you'd still complain because we never picked one up in FA. It's lose-lose with you, buddy....you're a fn joke.

You just said it yourself, you fn gomer!! lol. Players want to play for winners. We're not winning!! That's what i'm saying, genius.

And i said we "added" depth. ADDED. We added Martin and Tapp is a tweener. Didn't we sign Fluellen again too?

And when i say NE and Denver, of course you take it literally. You're a moron. You know exactly what i meant. All the better D players bolted for PLAYOFF teams except for a few. Better??

Take the watermelon shell you use as a helmet off, bud. I'm starting to worry.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Here's a thought maybe we fumble a lot and turn the ball over a lot and don't get many sacks or many INT and can't tackle, year after year, because we're not so talented. Hmm?

This team needs a do-over. We need to let everyone go and start anew. If anyone thinks this is the year or we're close is fooling yourself..

Somewhere out there a 70 year old man is thinking "this is the year for the Cubs". The universe needs teams like the Cubs and the Lions. If either win their respective sport is doomed..

 

[michiganalex]

Pettigrew blows. I can live with that. But he's a starter and he knows the offense and he's been with Staff from day 1. Bell is a huge part of the offense and was a must re-sign. And of course WR is still a need!! Did you forget about Durham, Broyles, Ogletree or whatever scrub they throw in there? Even if Tate wasn't signed and they drafted a WR you'd still complain because we never picked one up in FA. It's lose-lose with you, buddy....you're a fn joke.

You just said it yourself, you fn gomer!! lol. Players want to play for winners. We're not winning!! That's what i'm saying, genius.

And i said we "added" depth. ADDED. We added Martin and Tapp is a tweener. Didn't we sign Fluellen again too?

And when i say NE and Denver, of course you take it literally. You're a moron. You know exactly what i meant. All the better D players bolted for PLAYOFF teams except for a few. Better??

Take the watermelon shell you use as a helmet off, bud. I'm starting to worry.

the Gallagher method of thinking?

 

[LKP]

Bush and Stafford are talented. There is no denying that. They do more good than bad but the bad sticks out.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/fumblesForced
Detroit was middle of the pack in fumbles forced with 14. But had a terrible recovey rate. 50% for 7. That is just bad luck. Especially when you look at KC. Recovered them all. Detroit had 18 fumbles forced on them and lost 15 of them. Again that is terrible bad luck with an 83% loss rate.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/interceptions
Ints. Detroit middle of the pack.

Detroit was excellent on getting stops on 3rd down. Very good run D most of the season. Overall pressure was good despite the sack numbers being down. Pass D was average dealing with young developing CBs and injuries. The talent is there on defense too. Offense it's elite talent but mistake prone.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Excuses, excuses, excuses - that's all I hear from you. The big and powerful Oz. I'm beginning to think you don't know jack shit.

 

[LKP]

Excuses, excuses, excuses - that's all I hear from you. The big and powerful Oz. I'm beginning to think you don't know jack shit.

I know the recovery rates. It's a bad luck recovery rate bounce of the ball. I know who was injured for each team, each game.

I know the root cause of the problems and know how talented this team is and can be. I'm beginning to think I'm the only one who knows anything around here.

 

[LKP]

And all I hear from you is I'm old and the Lions always lost most of my life so that will drive my thoughts for the 2014 Lions (has nothing to do with most of those teams). It's a dumb approach to base it on your emotions from the 1987 Lions instead of the actual talent of the team when assessing their future.

 

[lgolfer]

Bush and Stafford are talented. There is no denying that. They do more good than bad but the bad sticks out.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/fumblesForced
Detroit was middle of the pack in fumbles forced with 14. But had a terrible recovey rate. 50% for 7. That is just bad luck. Especially when you look at KC. Recovered them all. Detroit had 18 fumbles forced on them and lost 15 of them. Again that is terrible bad luck with an 83% loss rate.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/defense/sort/interceptions
Ints. Detroit middle of the pack.

Detroit was excellent on getting stops on 3rd down. Very good run D most of the season. Overall pressure was good despite the sack numbers being down. Pass D was average dealing with young developing CBs and injuries. The talent is there on defense too. Offense it's elite talent but mistake prone.

Do you have any links showing 2012 numbers? Because I bet we were very "unlucky" that year too.

I know on a message board extreme opinions give people something to talk about, but saying the Lions right now are more talented than the Seahawks or even as talented as the Seahawks is absolutely ridiculous and any NFL analyst would agree. Also, your injury argument is about as stupid as it gets. If the Lions had decent depth, then the injuries wouldn't matter as much. The Packers and Bears were more affected by injuries during their entire season than the Lions. Lastly, if the Lions are always "unlucky," there's usually a correlation as to why they're unlucky, like bad depth.

At the same time, Hughes is putting Mayhew in a no win situation when he says Mayhew has done an awful job in free agency. Hughes has said he likes the Tate signing if we get another WR in the draft, but then bashes Mayhew for the Tate signing immediately afterwards (we needed 2 starting WRs no matter what). We resign Bell, who anyone who watched the Lions this year would agree Bell is vital to the Lions (he's more of an every down running back than Bush is), and then says the Lions have done nothing in free agency. And saying Mayhew should've gotten more cap room by extending Suh by now is stupid since Suh only recently got an agent.

I just don't understand why people love to spend so much time arguing extreme positions, when in reality it's almost always in between. For LKP, I hope the Lions win the Super Bowl this year, but I'm not expecting it and won't be holding my breath. For Hughes, hopefully the Lions sign a safety before the draft, but you are correct that the Lions are relying on the draft for several starters, which is very risky. Overall, I hope the Lions sign Clemons in free agency still and then have a great draft. That's my hope at this point.