Detroit Lions FA Thread

[atxlion82]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/03/detroit_lions_james_ihedigbo_w.html

Pretty good deal for Detroit

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not going through all that. It's my opinion. Put stafford on those teams he would out perform them.


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Because those teams have more talent? I thought we were suppose to be the big bad talent team..

 

[LKP]

Every single QB has a different set of circumstances. Drops, WR/TE/RB talent, Oline talent, WR/TE/RB/Oline injuries, running game success each game and competition.

Does Stafford do his job. The answer is yes the majority of the time. And that's all that matters. You can throw out every comp %, but you have to look at drop rates too and separation from WRS. Some QBS have it easier. Stafford has had it hard the last 2 years with injuries to his weapons and not enough turnovers from his defense. And lack of running game in alot of the losses. All facts. And he still keeps us competitive in losses and gives us a chance to win.

 

[Dapig]

Because those teams have more talent? I thought we were suppose to be the big bad talent team..

Please have someone read what I've typed in the past so you can understand what I'm saying. We're lacking talent


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[brewer229]

I'm not going through all that. It's my opinion. Put stafford on those teams he would out perform them.


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Fair enough. Can't argue with opinion.
I just hope statistically he becomes a top 7 QB.

In my opinion if we had any of those three we would of been a playoff team last year.
If we had Manning Durham would of put up Decker like numbers.

 

[LKP]

Because those teams have more talent? I thought we were suppose to be the big bad talent team..

Talent got hurt. Some at the same time . When the talent was mostly there, Stafford did his job. And even when Stafford made mistakes, he fought hard to get us back in the game (Bucs pass to Durham, last drive that Calvin mesed up plus 3 TDs in that game/Ravens last TD drive) And they need to play Waddle at RT or our run game sucked.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Every single QB has a different set of circumstances. Drops, WR/TE/RB talent, Oline talent, WR/TE/RB/Oline injuries, running game success each game and competition.

Does Stafford do his job. The answer is yes the majority of the time. And that's all that matters. You can throw out every comp %, but you have to look at drop rates too and separation from WRS. Some QBS have it easier. Stafford has had it hard the last 2 years with injuries to his weapons and not enough turnovers from his defense. And lack of running game in alot of the losses. All facts. And he still keeps us competitive in losses and gives us a chance to win.

Bullshit. The team is not all that different from 2011. No one is saying he was never good, 3 years ago he had one hell of a season. The past two years not so much and a good chunk of the blame goes on him.

 

[LKP]

Fair enough. Can't argue with opinion.
I just hope statistically he becomes a top 7 QB.

In my opinion if we had any of those three we would of been a playoff team last year.
If we had Manning Durham would of put up Decker like numbers.

6th in TDs
4th in yards
6th in 3rd down conversions
12th YPA

Comp % and ints where he lacked but he had to deal with injuries, drops and lack of separation from his weapons. And not every pick was his fault.

 

[LKP]

Bullshit. The team is not all that different from 2011. No one is saying he was never good, 3 years ago he had one hell of a season. The past two years not so much and a good chunk of the blame goes on him.

2012 was much different from 2011.

2011 nobody got hurt other than Best. And we had a 5-0 jump on the season with Best and Stafford doing really well those 5 games. Calvin, Bureleson, Titus and Pettigrew, Scheffler didn't miss a snap. And Calvin wasn't banged up. Plus he got help in 2011, 34 turnovers forced. Wright and Smith gambled for 8 ints, Spievey somehow got 3 and Houston had 5 picks. The Lions recover rate was fumbles was great, for and against.

2012 no Best and Bell/LeShoure didn't replace him, Burleson missed 9, Titus 6 and was a little bitch, Broyles 8 and Pettigrew 4. And only 17 turnovers forced. 2012 special teams costing them 2 games with returns (didn't happen in 2011).

2013 Calvin banged up alot and missed 2 games, Burleson 7 games, Broyles 8 games, Pettigrew 2 games, dumped Scheffler in October, Bush 2.5 games but Bell filled in well against Washington, not so much against Arizona and Philadelphia (2 fumlbes bad YPC). And only 22 turnovers forced by the defense and bad fumble recovery rates. 12 fumbles by others. Akers missing in big games as opposed to Hanson (Cards game, Bengals game).

The circumstances were not the same.

 

[brewer229]

Every single QB has a different set of circumstances. Drops, WR/TE/RB talent, Oline talent, WR/TE/RB/Oline injuries, running game success each game and competition.

Does Stafford do his job. The answer is yes the majority of the time. And that's all that matters. You can throw out every comp %, but you have to look at drop rates too and separation from WRS. Some QBS have it easier. Stafford has had it hard the last 2 years with injuries to his weapons and not enough turnovers from his defense. And lack of running game in alot of the losses. All facts. And he still keeps us competitive in losses and gives us a chance to win.

You have to chose a QB for one year, knowing nothing else about the team where do you choose stafford?

 

[Dapig]

Bullshit. The team is not all that different from 2011. No one is saying he was never good, 3 years ago he had one hell of a season. The past two years not so much and a good chunk of the blame goes on him.

And that's where we're gonna differ. We definitely had a healthy calvin, a younger burleson, Titus who caught 6 TD's, sheffler who scored 6 TD's. Yea I see what your saying ....same team


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[Mitchrapp]

CJ might had had a few drops than normal but still had over 1500 yards and a bunch of TD. The year before he was super stud. Suh had a great season, maybe better than his rookie season, even though he was only 2nd team all-pro.

So of the high priced talent who do think should get more blame? Sure, the coaching staff gets some, Mayhew for sure..but as far as players, it's Matt. Not going to blame Durrham, or Bush, Ross etc. Durham didn't asked to be targeted that much. Sorry but money plays a role, you get paid big money you better come up big.

 

[Dapig]

2012 was much different from 2011.

2011 nobody got hurt other than Best. And we had a 5-0 jump on the season with Best and Stafford doing really well those 5 games. Calvin, Bureleson, Titus and Pettigrew, Scheffler didn't miss a snap. And Calvin wasn't banged up. Plus he got help in 2011, 34 turnovers forced. Wright and Smith gambled for 8 ints, Spievey somehow got 3 and Houston had 5 picks. The Lions recover rate was fumbles was great, for and against.

2012 no Best and Bell/LeShoure didn't replace him, Burleson missed 9, Titus 6 and was a little bitch, Broyles 8 and Pettigrew 4. And only 17 turnovers forced.

2013 Calvin banged up alot and missed 2 games, Burleson 7 games, Broyles 8 games, Pettigrew 2 games, dumped Scheffler in October, Bush 2.5 games but Bell filled in well against Washington, not so much against Arizona and Philadelphia (2 fumlbes bad YPC). And only 22 turnovers forced by the defense and bad fumble recovery rates. 12 fumbles by others. Akers missing in big games as opposed to Hanson (Cards game, Bengals game).

The circumstances were not the same.

Spot on


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[Mitchrapp]

And that's where we're gonna differ. We definitely had a healthy calvin, a younger burleson, Titus who caught 6 TD's, sheffler who scored 6 TD's. Yea I see what your saying ....same team


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I'll give you Titus. Best for 6 games, but now we have Bush. Nate better but the running game is better now. Bell over Smith, easy. It might have shifted a bit but the roster is pretty much the same as far as talent. Yet Matt's years are light years apart.

 

[Mitchrapp]

All about excuses. That's what it will always be.

 

[brewer229]

Basically what I am hearing is Stafford is irrelevant to how this team does.
That is essentially the definition of average.

 

[LKP]

CJ might had had a few drops than normal but still had over 1500 yards and a bunch of TD. The year before he was super stud. Suh had a great season, maybe better than his rookie season, even though he was only 2nd team all-pro.

So of the high priced talent who do think should get more blame? Sure, the coaching staff gets some, Mayhew for sure..but as far as players, it's Matt. Not going to blame Durrham, or Bush, Ross etc. Durham didn't asked to be targeted that much. Sorry but money plays a role, you get paid big money you better come up big.

I can blame alot of people. And it's not becausee they are not talented but the little things add up. 12 fumbles not Stafford, drop rate worst in league by far (3% more than average), 7 of 9 games poor rushing offense, only 22 turnovers forced, lack of separation from everyone not named Calvin, Bush or Nate(he actually had a good comp % and did produce for most of his 9 games).

Other than Bucs and Ravens game (where Stafford still made a ton of plays but had some costly picks), I blame others way more than Stafford. Stafford is the reason we were in the playoff hunt but he's not the main reason we missed the playoffs.

 

[Dapig]

CJ might had had a few drops than normal but still had over 1500 yards and a bunch of TD. The year before he was super stud. Suh had a great season, maybe better than his rookie season, even though he was only 2nd team all-pro.

So of the high priced talent who do think should get more blame? Sure, the coaching staff gets some, Mayhew for sure..but as far as players, it's Matt. Not going to blame Durrham, or Bush, Ross etc. Durham didn't asked to be targeted that much. Sorry but money plays a role, you get paid big money you better come up big.

Thats where we differ again. Money plays no role to me. I want a championship and for the lions to fix it the fastest way. This is not Brain surgery to figure out the lions issues. IMO stafford is not an issue at all.






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[LKP]

I'll give you Titus. Best for 6 games, but now we have Bush. Nate better but the running game is better now. Bell over Smith, easy. It might have shifted a bit but the roster is pretty much the same as far as talent. Yet Matt's years are light years apart.

The running game was not good in 7 of 9 losses. That is a fact.

at Zona (Hilliard at RT and Bush missed second half), Cincy line reshuffle all day with (Reiff, Hilliard, Waddle), at GB (no Calvin, Nate or Waddle, started Fox), at PHi (no Bush or Waddle), Giants (no Pettigrew, Calvin limited, Waddle half game only), at Min (no Calvin, Pettigrew or Waddle)

Stafford is very important. He is the only one that keeps us in most games and wins games for us. But he needs help to do it.

 

[Dapig]

Basically what I am hearing is Stafford is irrelevant to how this team does.
That is essentially the definition of average.

Qb's and coaches receive too much blame and too much credit for what the TEAM does. Teams win and teams lose....it takes a full balanced team to win which we don't have


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