Detroit Lions FA Thread

[Dapig]

Regressed my ass.....other than Calvin he had no wide receivers . BTW id love to have an overated QB like Farve....you have a problem with him than i think your expectations are a little way to high.


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[Mitchrapp]

Regressed my ass.....other than Calvin he had no wide receivers . BTW id love to have an overated QB like Farve....you have a problem with him than i think your expectations are a little way to high.


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Regressed. If you think he hadn't, even if you have faith in him, you're delusional.

 

[Dapig]

So are wins important or not?

Of coarse they are but its not all on the Qb


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[Dapig]

Regressed. If you think he hadn't, even if you have faith in him, you're delusional.

Fine....talk to me at the end of next year. Beating an old drum.


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[Mitchrapp]

Fine....talk to me at the end of next year. Beating an old drum.


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Then I'll say he got back on track. But his last two years aren't solely on lack of weapons.

I just wish he could read a progression. And taking a sack or throwing it away is sometimes the better way.

 

[swami45]

Regressed my ass.....other than Calvin he had no wide receivers . BTW id love to have an overated QB like Farve....you have a problem with him than i think your expectations are a little way to high.


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He was actually good the first 8 games of the season with "no wide receivers"

Then was a complete train wreck in the second half with about the same group

Who is to blame there? Don't say coaching or dropped passes

 

[Dapig]

Healthy Burleson the first four games and producing as a decent #2, Pettigrew turned into the number two target due to no wr's other than CJ after Burleson got hurt. Cj's injuries got worse progressively and teams figured that out then started concentrating on pettigrew and that got durham production for one game. Second half was all Calvin Johnson who was playing about 75% and defenses had the other guys were pretty much game planned correctly and they weren't a factor.

 

[Dapig]

Then I'll say he got back on track. But his last two years aren't solely on lack of weapons.



I just wish he could read a progression. And taking a sack or throwing it away is sometimes the better way.

Its not ..... a lot of factors goes into a team success and its not all on the qb. Too much weight of the success or failure of a team is put on a qb. He sure as hell didnt help us in a few games last year but its not all on him.


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[mhughes0021]

Healthy Burleson the first four games and producing as a decent #2, Pettigrew turned into the number two target due to no wr's other than CJ after Burleson got hurt. Cj's injuries got worse progressively and teams figured that out then started concentrating on pettigrew and that got durham production for one game. Second half was all Calvin Johnson who was playing about 75% and defenses had the other guys were pretty much game planned correctly and they weren't a factor.

you tell us we don't know football then you go on about how teams prepared for fucking Pettigrew and that spelled the end for Stafford? lmao. im sure watching Pettigrew run 6 yards curls and then fall down over and over had other teams shaking in heir boots! Durham sucks, Pettigrew sucks, every other WR on the roster not named CJ sucked. We all know this.... but good qbs make shitty players better. Shitty qbs make shitty players look shitty. Every wr on GBs roster is interchangeable cause Arod makes them all better. Staff makes no one look great. He doesn't throw guys open. He has horrid footwork. Terrible pocket presense. Throws off his back foot way too much. Doesn't make the correct read way too much. And doesn't even give himself time to go thru progressions cause he was near the lead league in how fast he got the ball out. Our offense sucked the last 8 games cause we ran 1 play. CJ on a 7 yard post, Pettigrew on his patented 6 yard curl, bush in the flat, nate stand there and turn around. SCARYYYY offense that is....way to put up 13 vs a shitty Minnesota team.

 

[tonyballs]

They need a backup in there that can win games. Luke McCown can not provide that.

Backups are backups for a reason, bro. Not too many backups in the NFL are going to come in and win you games. Cmon now...

Go get a guy that knows the system like a vet or you need to draft someone obviously. then you pray that your QB stays upright all year. Luke McCown would be ok, he worked with Lombardi in New Orleans.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Its not ..... a lot of factors goes into a team success and its not all on the qb. Too much weight of the success or failure of a team is put on a qb. He sure as hell didnt help us in a few games last year but its not all on him.


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Who says it was? But the dude is the leader making a shit load of cash, lots is on him. I fault him number 1 that doesn't mean he's the only one who fk'd up.

 

[Dapig]

Who says it was? But the dude is the leader making a shit load of cash, lots is on him. I fault him number 1 that doesn't mean he's the only one who fk'd up.

Well I fault Mayhew who did a piss pour job putting out that wr core. This might make Stafford more tolerable for a lot of ya. Stafford will never ever be Arod, Brady, manning, or Brees. These guys are a rare group and will go down as some of games all time greats. But he can be a perennial probowl player and lead us to a Super Bowl (I'm not holding my breath) I'm saying he's good enough. Put a full team out there, the game will slow down, play will improve.


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[LKP]

Well I fault Mayhew who did a piss pour job putting out that wr core. This might make Stafford more tolerable for a lot of ya. Stafford will never ever be Arod, Brady, manning, or Brees. These guys are a rare group and will go down as some of games all time greats. But he can be a perennial probowl player and lead us to a Super Bowl (I'm not holding my breath) I'm saying he's good enough. Put a full team out there, the game will slow down, play will improve.


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Mayhew would have been destroyed by all the armchair GMs if he took a WR early in the 2013 draft. Ansah, Slay, Warford was the right call and Bush, Quin and Jones in free agency was the right call how to use our limited cap space.

Burleson missed 7 games, Broyles missed 8 games and was never fully healthy, Calvin missed 2 and was limited in 2 others (plus had a knee issue most of the year), Bush was a weapon but had a drop problem, Calvin dropped more than usual with his finger issue. So that left Durham (a former 4th round pick from Seattle that had chemsitry with Stafford) and Ogletree off the waiver wire in October. Fauria was a TD machine but a rookie learning the routes and they dropped Scheffler in October. Nothing Mayhew could do. And he quickly correct the problem with Golden Tate and now it's ok to use a high draft pick again.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Well I fault Mayhew who did a piss pour job putting out that wr core. This might make Stafford more tolerable for a lot of ya. Stafford will never ever be Arod, Brady, manning, or Brees. These guys are a rare group and will go down as some of games all time greats. But he can be a perennial probowl player and lead us to a Super Bowl (I'm not holding my breath) I'm saying he's good enough. Put a full team out there, the game will slow down, play will improve.


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I don't need him to be but there were a shit load of QB who were better than him. As far as weapons go, some of those other QB didn't have what we had. As much ridicule Romo gets for choke jobs he's much better. I could give you a list of who was better in 2013 but that's most of the league..

I just want him to be decent I don't need him to be elite.

 

[Dapig]

I don't need him to be but there were a shit load of QB who were better than him. As far as weapons go, some of those other QB didn't have what we had. As much ridicule Romo gets for choke jobs he's much better. I could give you a list of who was better in 2013 but that's most of the league..

I just want him to be decent I don't need him to be elite.

We had a couple home run hitters but balanced talent is lacking greatly.

I'll simplify it for ya ...on a scale 1 to 10 (Calvin Johnson is a 10) (Durham is a 4 or 5). Id much rather have a team of 7 and 8. Than a few 10's and a few 7's and 8's and some 4's and 5's.


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[Mitchrapp]

We had a couple home run hitters but balanced talent is lacking greatly.

I'll simplify it for ya ...on a scale 1 to 10 (Calvin Johnson is a 10) (Durham is a 4 or 5). Id much rather have a team of 7 and 8. Than a few 10's and a few 7's and 8's and some 4's and 5's.


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Some teams didn't have a Calvin, maybe 1 7 and guys like Durham. I don't know why people think we had the worst core of wideouts in the NFL.

 

[LKP]

I don't need him to be but there were a shit load of QB who were better than him. As far as weapons go, some of those other QB didn't have what we had. As much ridicule Romo gets for choke jobs he's much better. I could give you a list of who was better in 2013 but that's most of the league..

I just want him to be decent I don't need him to be elite.

Ok let's talk Romo. Romo's defense gave him 23 drives start in opponents territory (18 Detroit), 27 turnovers (22 Detroit) and 8 drives that started inside the opponents 8 (most in the league). Detroit had 1 (worst in league). 7 free touchdowns for Romo. 49 points/16=3 PPG. Not to mention having Bryant and Witten among others. Romo has plenty of weapons and got easy points. Stafford is just as good as Romo and has a tougher job to do.

 

[LKP]

Some teams didn't have a Calvin, maybe 1 7 and guys like Durham. I don't know why people think we had the worst core of wideouts in the NFL.

We did have the worst when Calvin missed 2 games and was limited against the Giants (plus missed Burleson and Pettigrew in each of those 2 games Calvin missed). Those just happen to be the lowest point outuputs of the year. Not a coincidence. His run game support was junk at GB and at Min too.

7 of 9 losses the run game was junk. Talking at Arizona, Cincy, at Pittsburgh, at Green Bay, at Philadelphia, at Minnesota and Giants game. Giants game is the only game Stafford threw a mulitple pick in those 7 losses. And 5 of those losses his didn't throw a pick.

Stafford does his job and he does it well. Most of the time.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ok let's talk Romo. Romo's defense gave him 23 drives start in opponents territory (18 Detroit), 27 turnovers (22 Detroit) and 8 drives that started inside the opponents 8 (most in the league). Detroit had 1 (worst in league). 7 free touchdowns for Romo. 49 points/16=3 PPG. Not to mention having Bryant and Witten among others. Romo has plenty of weapons and got easy points. Stafford is just as good as Romo and has a tougher job to do.

I could give a shit about Yards and TD. Quit throwing the pick 6, or into the ground when the receiver is 5 yards away, or throwing to guys like Durham when he's blanketed. Basically, be smarter. No one says he has to get 5000 yards. It's not a milestone anymore..

 

[Mitchrapp]

We did have the worst when Calvin missed 2 games and was limited against the Giants (plus missed Burleson and Pettigrew in each of those 2 games Calvin missed). Those just happen to be the lowest point outuputs of the year. Not a coincidence. His run game support was junk at GB and at Min too.

7 of 9 losses the run game was junk. Talking at Arizona, Cincy, at Pittsburgh, at Green Bay, at Philadelphia, at Minnesota and Giants game. Giants game is the only game Stafford threw a mulitple pick in those 7 losses. And 5 of those losses his didn't throw a pick.

Stafford does his job and he does it well. Most of the time.

No he doesn't why do you think we have a slew of QB gurus?