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Detroit Tigers 2019 MLB Draft Riley Greene 1st Round

Lots of Tigers draft thoughts from Chris Brown from TigsTown. Used to do the Locked On Tigers Podcast.

https://247sports.com/mlb/tigers/Ar...k-Back-at-Draft-Pick-Success-Rates-129495440/
Weekly Draft Report: A Look Back at Draft Pick Success Rates.
TigsTown

https://247sports.com/mlb/tigers/Ar...he-Detroit-Tigers-Rebuilding-Guide-115413713/
Drafting for Dummies: Part 2 - Detroit Tigers Rebuilding Guide.
TigsTown

If you want a quick summary...high-school outfielders bust at a higher rate (45%) than every other position group outside of lefty high-school starters, but when they make it they offer the 5th most average value.

College third basemen taken in the top 50 have a very low bust rate (about 18%), on average they provide the most value of any position group, and they produce their first 2-WAR season faster than any other position group.

Andre Lipcius is a solid three-year performer in the SEC, and he hit well in the Cape Cod League last year (.313/.391/.456). Fairly young for a college player. This one seems like it might be an analytics pick?

Kreidler is another potential third baseman. Might stick at short, but not much of a hitter. Very interesting draft so far...

Don't read too much into the ranks you might see online. There are tiers in the draft and the difference between the 40th prospect and the 200th prospect is paper thin.

Not a positive or a negative, really, just a somewhat unusual position mix so far, particularly for the Tigers. They've only taken ONE infielder in the first five rounds since 2011 (Kody Clemens). Then they take three in one draft, and all three fit best at third base.

East Carolina's Bryant Packard is a bat-first LF/1B who had a monster sophomore year (.406 and 14HR). Talented hitter with above-average power but not much defensive value.

The last time the Tigers began the draft with five consecutive position players was 2011. The players? C James McCann, 1B Aaron Westlake, 3B Jason King, SS Brandon Loy, and OF Tyler Collins.

Had the Tigers taking Hess in my mock last year, but not this year. Bounced back and forth between the LSU bullpen and the rotation. Has good stuff, fits best as a reliever.

Jack Kenley, the Tigers' 8th rounder this year, and Jeremiah Burks, their 8th rounder from last year, are very different prospects, but alike in an interesting way. Neither of them played much until their junior seasons. Burks got 110 ABs in his first two seasons, Kenley just 84.

Then as a junior Burks hit .340/.415/.544 with 9 homers and 12 steals for Fresno State, with 19BB and and 56K
As a junior Kenley hit .320/.443/.584 with 12 homers and 8 steals for Arkansas, with 38BB and 48K

Austin Bergner the second pitcher the Tigers have taken. Has been a famous name but never really lived up to the billing as a starter for North Carolina. Was good as a freshman reliever, though, and probably returns to that role.
FB into mid-90's with excellent life, CH plays really well off of the FB, CB has been up and down, flashes hammer. Good upside here, we had him in the 5th.

Tigers go "infield" again. Creighton 1B/DH Jake Holton, who hit .386 with 14 homers, and it's hard to hit for power at TD Ameritrade Park. Very clearly looking to add power to the system this year.

That?s it for the Tigers top ten picks:

Nine college players
One high schooler
Two right-handed pitchers
Two outfielders
Five infielders
One catcher
Four players from the SEC
Two players from the Pac-12
One player from the ACC
One player from the AAC
One player from the Big East

Day Three of the MLB Draft, rounds 11-40. A few months back I looked at draft success rates in the later rounds, and here's what to expect:

900 picks (obviously)
~600 will sign
~45 will make the Majors
~10 will go on to have at least one 2-WAR season

Interesting pick for the Tigers in the 11th round. Was a two-way player in his first two seasons with Texas Tech. Has plus power, but also gets into the upper 90s as a reliever.

12th round - SS Corey Joyce - A three-year performer in college has some speed but didn't face much great competition and probably moves to 2B.

13th - LHP Matt Walker - Arm strength but poor results. Still 20.

14th - RHP Ted Stuka - First DII pick for them. Big and tall reliever with a mid-90s fastball and a solid splitter.

15th - LHP - Ohio State's closer this year. Low-90s with funk and good curve. Came out of the bullpen in the regionals on Saturday and struck out 12 in 7.1 IP.

17th Round - A.J. Block - lefty with upper 80s FB, mid-70s slurve, and brutal results this year (0-8, 6.06 ERA). WHY??

18th - Jared Mang - OF, first senior sign this year, among national leaders in doubles.

19th - Kerry Carpenter - Another OF, cooled off after hot start this year.

Tigers 20th round pick is Andrew Navigato, of Oklahoma State. Aggressive swinger with some power. Decent glove up the middle. His older brother might also get drafted today.

21st Round - Scott McKeon - Aggressive swinger with bat to ball skills. Played some SS, but a 2B in pro ball

22nd - Cole Zabowski - Big first baseman. Strength over bat speed, but solid glove.

Tigers have now drafted 8 infielders and 14 position players in their first 22 picks.

Teams can offer up to $125K after the 10th round without it counting against their bonus pool. The Rangers took college seniors in the 5th and 10th rounds, which could give them another $450K to play with, so they could offer him half a million or more.

12th round - SS Corey Joyce - A three-year performer in college has some speed but didn't face much great competition and probably moves to 2B.

13th - LHP Matt Walker - Arm strength but poor results. Still 20.

14th - RHP Ted Stuka - First DII pick for them. Big and tall reliever with a mid-90s fastball and a solid splitter.

15th - LHP - Ohio State's closer this year. Low-90s with funk and good curve. Came out of the bullpen in the regionals on Saturday and struck out 12 in 7.1 IP

#Tigers announce over draft call for 11th round that they have signed their first-round pick, Riley Greene

Interesting pick for the Tigers in the 11th round. Was a two-way player in his first two seasons with Texas Tech. Has plus power, but also gets into the upper 90s as a reliever.

17th Round - A.J. Block - lefty with upper 80s FB, mid-70s slurve, and brutal results this year (0-8, 6.06 ERA)

18th - Jared Mang - OF, first senior sign this year, among national leaders in doubles.

19th - Kerry Carpenter - Another OF, cooled off after hot start this year

Tigers 20th round pick is Andrew Navigato, of Oklahoma State. Aggressive swinger with some power. Decent glove up the middle. His older brother might also get drafted today.

Kona Quiggle one of the better names in the draft. Another kid who didn't play much until this year, when he led Grand Canyon in homers. Hitting a work in progress, fits best in outfield corner.


Still plenty of interesting college pitchers available, should the Tigers go that route. Lots of strong JuCo and prep arms remaining, but I'm not sure the club saved enough money to really make a run at them.

Day Three of the MLB Draft, rounds 11-40. A few months back I looked at draft success rates in the later rounds, and here's what to expect:

900 picks (obviously)
~600 will sign
~45 will make the Majors
~10 will go on to have at least one 2-WAR season

Went down a baseball financial rules rabbit hole last night... A few conclusions, Tigers related.

If I were to point to any trends in this draft, it's what appears to be a very concerted effort to go after position players with power potential.

No real significance, I don't think. This is pretty much their M.O. over the last 15 years or so...basically since David Chadd arrived. They took one or zero high schoolers in the top ten in 2017, 2016, 2014, 2013, 2011, 2008, 2006, and 2005.

That?s it for the Tigers top ten picks:

Nine college players
One high schooler
Two right-handed pitchers
Two outfielders
Five infielders
One catcher
Four players from the SEC
Two players from the Pac-12
One player from the ACC
One player from the AAC
One player from the Big East

Michael Bienlien is not the reliever I had the Tigers taking from N.C. State, but he's got a good arm. Low 90s with sink as a starter, mid-90s as reliever. Strikes are option.

Lefty starter Josh Coburn from Kennesaw State has been into the mid-90s with his fastball. Struggles to miss bats and throw strikes.

26th Round ? Brenan White ? Solid three-year starter at Sienna College

27th ? Beau Brieske ? Ranked 10th in DII in strikeouts, but gave up 99 hits in 79.2IP

28th ? Connor Perry ? Lefty OF hit 15 bombs for Pittsburgh as a senior. Once cut by DII team.

29th Round ? Cary Elliot ? First NAIA pick and first relative. Began career at Oregon State, hit .303 with 12 HR this year

30th ? Cordell Dunn ? First JuCo. College catcher announced at third baseman. Strong arm, raw pop

Will see them start to take unsignable HS kids soon

31st Round ? Bryce Tassin a reliever at SE Louisiana St. Spent last summer pitching in Alaska.

32nd ? Jack Dellinger began at Purdue move to Va Tech. Long arm action, flashes ab-average breaker.

33rd ? Jimmy Kerr 1B for Michigan this year. Broke out as senior with 12 HR.

34th Round ? Sam Kessler worked as West Virginia?s closer this year. Good slider. Gave up walk-off grand slam to end the WVU season the other day. Not really his fault?was his 65th pitch.

35th ? LHP Robert Klinchock first DIII pick for the Tigers. Put up a 4.27 ERA in 14 GS.

Tigers 36th rounder Pavin Parks played shortstop and pitched in relief for Kent State this year. Drafted as an infielder, where he hit 11 homers and walked 36 times. Also struck out 32 in 25.2 innings this year.

Tigers 37th rounder is the 5'9 lefty Kolton Ingram, who put up a 4.59 ERA this year, but was among the DII leaders in ERA and strikeouts last year.

Tigers 38th rounder Dan Pruitt is a giant (6'6, 245) first baseman who hit a paltry .481 with 22 homers and 24 steals for Western Oklahoma State. JuCo stats are silly. He'll probably head to Dallas Baptist and hope to improve his stock next year.

And there it is, another high schooler. They won't sign him, but the Tigers take LSU commit Cade Doughty in the 39th round. He's a top-100 talent this year who can hit and should develop some power in Baton Rouge.

The Tigers' final pick is Gianluca Dalatri, a well-known pitcher from the University of North Carolina who has struggled with injuries and has fringe stuff across the board.

That's it for the draft this year! On to the 2020 class, which looks very strong right now. Could see 6 or more SEC pitchers go in the top 20 overall.

It's not a huge change, because even when they took seven or eight high schoolers in one draft they rarely signed more than one. If there's a strategy to it I think it's just to add a handful more late-round fliers each year in the hopes they get lucky.
 
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Statistically speaking, 73% of 1st round picks (supplemental included) make it to the majors. It goes down to 49% of 2nd round picks and steadily declines from there. If you are not a top 100 pick, the chance is less than 10%. Additionally, the odds of becoming a "superior" MLB player increases the higher one is drafted.

The greatest failure rate for 1st round picks are High School pitchers. In fact, statistically, there is no true benefit in drafting a High Schooler when studying career WAR for a college player or a high school player. Additionally, the success rate of drafting a college position player within the first 5 picks is something like 93%. This data goes back to 1981. There are generally more unknowns with a high school player than a college players. Drafting a high schooler in later rounds makes more sense than at the top 3 rounds.

Roughly 46% of the top 100 are High Schoolers, so some teams ignore the data concerning drafting high schoolers. 70.5% of TOR picks (top 100) over the last 10 years have been high schoolers, followed by TEX at 69.4%. CHW is the lowest at 21.4%.

Tampa Bay, leads all MLB in number of players drafted in the top 100 in the last 10 years. Sadly, DET is 28th. If you isolate to top 50, TB is still on top and sadly, DET is 30th. When other teams get "extra" picks, and those are in the top 50, then it just pushes DET even further down.

There is a direct correlation between the number of top 50/100 picks over the last 5-10 years and the minor league rankings for each MLB team.

DET Top 50 picks

2019 = 2 (1 HS)
2018 = 2 (1 HS)
2017 = 1
2016 = 1 (1 HS pitcher)
2015 = 2 (1 HS pitcher)
2014 = 1 (1 HS)
2013 = 2
2012 = 0
2011 = 0
2010 = 2 (1 HS)

College draftees usually take 2-4 years to know what you have. For High School, it can take 5-7 years.
 
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Statistically speaking, 73% of 1st round picks (supplemental included) make it to the majors. It goes down to 49% of 2nd round picks and steadily declines from there. If you are not a top 100 pick, the chance is less than 10%. Additionally, the odds of becoming a "superior" MLB player increases the higher one is drafted.

The greatest failure rate for 1st round picks are High School pitchers. In fact, statistically, there is no true benefit in drafting a High Schooler when studying career WAR for a college player or a high school player. Additionally, the success rate of drafting a college position player within the first 5 picks is something like 93%. This data goes back to 1981. There are generally more unknowns with a high school player than a college players. Drafting a high schooler in later rounds makes more sense than at the top 3 rounds.

Roughly 46% of the top 100 are High Schoolers, so some teams ignore the data concerning drafting high schoolers. 70.5% of TOR picks (top 100) over the last 10 years have been high schoolers, followed by TEX at 69.4%. CHW is the lowest at 21.4%.

Tampa Bay, leads all MLB in number of players drafted in the top 100 in the last 10 years. Sadly, DET is 28th. If you isolate to top 50, TB is still on top and sadly, DET is 30th. When other teams get "extra" picks, and those are in the top 50, then it just pushes DET even further down.

There is a direct correlation between the number of top 50/100 picks over the last 5-10 years and the minor league rankings for each MLB team.

DET Top 50 picks

2019 = 2 (1 HS)
2018 = 2 (1 HS)
2017 = 1
2016 = 1 (1 HS pitcher)
2015 = 2 (1 HS pitcher)
2014 = 1 (1 HS)
2013 = 2
2012 = 0
2011 = 0
2010 = 2 (1 HS)

College draftees usually take 2-4 years to know what you have. For High School, it can take 5-7 years.

Both TB and TOR play in the tougher AL East, esp vs big market spenders BOS and NY, so they HAVE to have successful drafts to remain competitive, much less infrequent contenders. I would be more interested in how the Tigers have fared vs divisional rivals, since the small market trio in Royals, Twins and Tribe must also succeed in the draft, as they will offload their stars pretty quickly when they begin to become too expensive to retain.

If it is any consolation to Tigers fans, the White Sox have won as many WS (one) as the Tigers in the playoff era which began in 1969. The Royals and Twins have two, and the Tribe still holds the AL (now MLB) record in WS futility, @ 70 years and counting.

Looks like the Tigers brass has noticed that those 3 have managed contending with postseason success, and w/o huge payrolls, so now they wanna-be a mid-market franchise sporting a small-market payroll. Well...that is cool for them, however they have yet to prove that they are anything but piss-poor @ player development and scouting.
 
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Do that stats on success go down if you're a Detroit Tiger?

Not all of the time...see for example Guillen, Galarraga, EJax, AJax, Scherzer,
Victor and JD Martinez.
 
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How many of those did we draft?

Verlander, Higginson, Clark, Infante, Santiago, Rodney, Granderson...just off the top of my head....didn't keep a few others long enough like Adames, Suarez, Garcia, Joyce, Maybin and Miller.
 
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DET Round 1 Picks

1981 - #17 Rick Barlow (RHP - HS)
1982 - #20 Rich Montelone (RHP - HS)
1983 - #15 Wayne Dotson (RHP - HS)

1985 - #26 Randy Nosek (RHP - HS)
1986 - #18 Phil Clark (C - HS)
1987 - #20 Bill Henderson (C - HS)
1987 - #21 Steve Pegues (OF - HS)
1987 - #30 Travis Fryman (SS - HS) = 34.4 WAR
1988 - #26 Rico Brogna (1B - HS)
1989 - #21 Greg Gohr (RHP - 4YR)
1990 - #2 Tony Clark (OF - HS) = 12.4 WAR

1992 - #16 Rick Greene (RHP - 4YR)
1993 - #9 Matt Brunson (SS - HS)
1994 - #18 Cade Gaspar (RHP - 4YR)
1995 - #11 Mike Drumright (RHP - 4YR)
1996 - #6 Seth Greisinger (RHP - 4YR)
1997 - #1 Matt Anderson (RHP - 4YR)
1998 - #14 Jeff Weaver (RHP - 4YR) = 15.2 WAR
1999 - #3 Eric Munson (C - 4YR)
2000 - #8 Matt Wheatland (RHP - HS)
2001 - #11 Kenny Baugh (RHP - 4YR)
2002 - #8 Scott Moore (SS - HS)
2003 - #3 Kyle Sleeth (RHP - 4YR)
2004 - #2 Justin Verlander (RHP - 4YR) = 66.5 WAR
2005 - #10 Cameron Maybin (OF - HS) = 13.5 WAR
2006 - #6 Andrew Miller (LHP - 4YR) = 8.4 WAR
2007 - #27 Rick Porcello (RHP - HS) = 18.9 WAR
2008 - #21 Ryan Perry (RHP - 4YR)
2009 - #9 Jacob Turner (RHP - HS)

2013 - #20 Jonathan Crawford (RHP - 4YR)
2014 - #23 Derek Hill (OF - HS)
2015 - #22 Beau Burrows (RHP - HS)
2016 - #9 Matt Manning (RHP - HS)
2017 - #18 Alez Faedo (RHP - 4YR)
2018 - #1 Casey Mize (RHP - 4YR)
2019 - #5 Riley Greene (OF - HS)
 
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Verlander, Higginson, Clark, Infante, Santiago, Rodney, Granderson...just off the top of my head....didn't keep a few others long enough like Adames, Suarez, Garcia, Joyce, Maybin and Miller.
I was referring to guys you listed first -- Guillen, Gallaraga, EJax, AJax, Scherzer, Victor and JD Martinez.
 
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...3-draft-breakdown/id902522346?i=1000440859894
Road To Detroit Episode 3: Draft Breakdown. 57 minutes.
Detroit Tigers Podcast

Host Dan Hasty interviews Tigers top Draft pick Riley Greene, regarded as the best pure hitter in high school baseball, then talks to director of amateur scouting Scott Pleis to hear why the Tigers are optimistic about their 2019 Draft class. Plus, updates from throughout the Tigers farm system, including a prospect with back-to-back 2-home run games.
 
#Tigers second-round pick Nick Quintana has a message for the Tigers fans.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8V2NFfUcAE0J-y.jpg

Tigers go with Nick Quintana, one of the aforementioned college bats. Quality defensive third baseman with plus arm strength, above-average RH raw power, good athlete, some swing/miss concerns but has a chance to be an above-avg everyday player.
Brian Sakowski @ Perfect Game

Tigers second-round pick Nick Quintana is flying to Lakeland on Sunday, and expects to sign Sunday or Monday.
He will receive around slot, which is $1.58M.
 
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