Digs reports

[inkfreq]

Holdout ends.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12954381/james-ihedigbo-ending-contract-holdout-detroit-lions

 

[LKP]

Great job Mayhew. Holding strong

 

[tomdalton22]

Mayhew didn't do a thing. Wow...great job!

 

[LKP]

He had a conversation with Ihedigbo.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Why? Why are you two fucknuts ruining every thread?

Start your own thread where you can fight like 8 year olds til your hearts content.

"Great job, Mayhew!"

"He didn't do anything!"

"Uh-huh!"

"Nuh-uh!"

"Yuh-huh!"

"Nuh-uh!"

It's pathetic.

 

[tomdalton22]

so a thread is ruined because someone posts in it? Your post complaining about our posts is adding to the content of this thread?

 

[LKP]

I'm talking about factual things that Mayhew did that are relevant to the topic. Mayhew said he had a conversation with Ihedigbo. And then Ihedigbo shows up for voluntary OTAs. It's a great job by Mayhew. Good cheap contract for a solid player.

Also Tulloch was particpating in OTAs. Very good sign. Now get Waddle healthy and the Lions will be all set.

 

[brewer229]

I'm talking about factual things that Mayhew did that are relevant to the topic. Mayhew said he had a conversation with Ihedigbo. And then Ihedigbo shows up for voluntary OTAs. It's a great job by Mayhew. Good cheap contract for a solid player.

Also Tulloch was particpating in OTAs. Very good sign. Now get Waddle healthy and the Lions will be all set.

Where does it say he had a conversation with him?

General manager Martin Mayhew won't say whether the club is willing to rework the deal, though did say he was willing to sit with Ihedigbo once he showed up in Allen Park and talk things over.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/05/report_james_ihedigbo_ends_abs.html

Sounds like they never talked based on the Mlive post. Where did you see your factual information?

 

[inkfreq]

Where does it say he had a conversation with him?

General manager Martin Mayhew won't say whether the club is willing to rework the deal, though did say he was willing to sit with Ihedigbo once he showed up in Allen Park and talk things over.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2015/05/report_james_ihedigbo_ends_abs.html

Sounds like they never talked based on the Mlive post. Where did you see your factual information?

Mayhew said he would sit with Digs once he showed up for camp, and I have seen nothing to suggest they talked ahead of time.

Digs is making $1.6MM this season, and Abdul-Quddus is making $1.5MM to be his backup. I understand why he would want a bump in pay.

He put in a great season for us, he's a leader on defense, and he's essentially making about the same as his backup. Anyone would be hunting for a new deal.

But since he didn't get one, it's pretty obvious LKP is drinking the Mayhew Kool-Aid again, and giving the GM props for bringing a guy back to camp when Digs brought himself back to camp.

Now, I do give Mayhew a lot of credit here. A GM needs to stand his ground on some of these disputes. They have a backup they think highly of, they brought in a guy with a lot of talent as an undrafted who is already turning heads... don't bend an inch.

If Digs wants to get paid, he'll show up and play. If he wants to sit home, let him. Any smart man is going to report at some point, don't bend and set a bad precedence for the next guy who wants more money.

Mayhew knows where the team is against the cap, and he wasn't willing to damage the team on this one. Solid decision. But I give him props for inaction, not for anything he did beyond that.

 

[LKP]

Great job for Mayhew for getting him on a cheap contract for 2 years last offseason. Staying strong when he skipped workouts and he could have had a conversation with him. He said he was going too. Mayhew handled it well.

 

[lucke]

The whole point of this was that he outplayed the contact he decided to sign. It wasn't forced on him to sign it, he choose to. What if he under performed (like he did down the stretch) all year... could the Lions choose to under pay him (instead of cutting him)? No, so be a man and play out the contact that you signed.

 

[inkfreq]

The whole point of this was that he outplayed the contact he decided to sign. It wasn't forced on him to sign it, he choose to. What if he under performed (like he did down the stretch) all year... could the Lions choose to under pay him (instead of cutting him)? No, so be a man and play out the contact that you signed.

I can get on board with that as soon as teams play under the same rules as players.

A team can cut you any time. If your money isn't "guaranteed" they just don't have to pay you any more. If you're too expensive, they can cut you and save money.

But players can just walk away and go somewhere else. Only the team has the options here.

When the teams man up and live out the contracts they signed the players to, then the players won't have any sympathy from me.

 

[LKP]

I can get on board with that as soon as teams play under the same rules as players.

A team can cut you any time. If your money isn't "guaranteed" they just don't have to pay you any more. If you're too expensive, they can cut you and save money.

But players can just walk away and go somewhere else. Only the team has the options here.

When the teams man up and live out the contracts they signed the players to, then the players won't have any sympathy from me.

Players get guaranteed money which alot of the times is more than enough. Min salaries are more than enough in this society. Ihedigbo should be set for life before he signed that Lions contract with years of NFL min salaries. Plus a free education before that with a degree.

The teams don't have to offer anything if the player sucks. If a player plays poorly over 2 years, you dump him. If a new guy makes your team better, you add the new guy and dump the solid or mediocre guy.

Dig signed his deal, played well most of the season (not Week 17). Both he and the Lions should honor the contract in this case.

Lions handed Dig a check for 750 k just to sign. Another 775 k was made by him last year. He gets another 1.625 million in cash this year. That's alot of money.

 

[tomdalton22]

I can get on board with that as soon as teams play under the same rules as players.

A team can cut you any time. If your money isn't "guaranteed" they just don't have to pay you any more. If you're too expensive, they can cut you and save money.

But players can just walk away and go somewhere else. Only the team has the options here.

When the teams man up and live out the contracts they signed the players to, then the players won't have any sympathy from me.

I have no sympathy for the teams or the players.

 

[biggunsbob]

Football is a pretty hard sport on the body.. Heck I only played 3 years in high school and I am still paying for it.. I do not blame the players for trying to cash in as much as possible.. Owners are billionaires and the Tax exempt NFL seems to have a ton of leverage over players..

 

[inkfreq]

Players get guaranteed money which alot of the times is more than enough. Min salaries are more than enough in this society. Ihedigbo should be set for life before he signed that Lions contract with years of NFL min salaries. Plus a free education before that with a degree.

The teams don't have to offer anything if the player sucks. If a player plays poorly over 2 years, you dump him. If a new guy makes your team better, you add the new guy and dump the solid or mediocre guy.

Dig signed his deal, played well most of the season (not Week 17). Both he and the Lions should honor the contract in this case.

Lions handed Dig a check for 750 k just to sign. Another 775 k was made by him last year. He gets another 1.625 million in cash this year. That's alot of money.

And not a single thing you said changes anything.

Teams AND players sign contracts. When a team doesn't like the terms any more, they cut the player. When the player doesn't like the terms, the team says "Hey, you signed the deal, you have to see it through".

Why? The team doesn't have to.

I don't care if a contract is for $3 or $3B.... a contract is only good so long as BOTH sides have to honor it equally. And the teams don't have to live up to it.

Than can cut a guy 24 hours into his deal if they are willing to take the cap hit for doing it. The player can't opt out 24 hours later. It's a one-sided relationship.

 

[LKP]

And not a single thing you said changes anything.

Teams AND players sign contracts. When a team doesn't like the terms any more, they cut the player. When the player doesn't like the terms, the team says "Hey, you signed the deal, you have to see it through".

Why? The team doesn't have to.

I don't care if a contract is for $3 or $3B.... a contract is only good so long as BOTH sides have to honor it equally. And the teams don't have to live up to it.

Than can cut a guy 24 hours into his deal if they are willing to take the cap hit for doing it. The player can't opt out 24 hours later. It's a one-sided relationship.

The team honors it by paying a guy when they do well and earn the right to keep their job. The player does not honor a contract if he plays shittily. You are paying for good play, not just a body.

If you suck at your job, you get fired. It's the way it works. My company could lose it's contract if we did a terrible job.

 

[tomdalton22]

And not a single thing you said changes anything.

Teams AND players sign contracts. When a team doesn't like the terms any more, they cut the player. When the player doesn't like the terms, the team says "Hey, you signed the deal, you have to see it through".

Why? The team doesn't have to.

I don't care if a contract is for $3 or $3B.... a contract is only good so long as BOTH sides have to honor it equally. And the teams don't have to live up to it.

Than can cut a guy 24 hours into his deal if they are willing to take the cap hit for doing it. The player can't opt out 24 hours later. It's a one-sided relationship.

The contract they sign is what allows the teams to cut them. Both sides are agreeing to the terms of the contract. If a player doesn't want to be cut he can demand a fully guaranteed contract...he probably won't get it but that can be negotiated.

 

[inkfreq]

The team honors it by paying a guy when they do well and earn the right to keep their job. The player does not honor a contract if he plays shittily. You are paying for good play, not just a body.

If you suck at your job, you get fired. It's the way it works. My company could lose it's contract if we did a terrible job.

Simply put, you're wrong. Teams give a contract for a number of years.

Not a single player has ever had a contract that said "You will play for us until you get to 30 sacks." They are paid PER SEASON.

Play great or play badly, and it's still a contract. Teams have the option to end that contract, but don't try to act like it's equitable to both sides.

If the coach is shit, and calls terrible plays, the player doesn't get the option to just go to another team.

Teams demand loyalty, but they don't show loyalty to the players. So when a player holds out for more money, more power to him. It's the only leverage he has.

 

[LKP]

Simply put, you're wrong. Teams give a contract for a number of years.

Not a single player has ever had a contract that said "You will play for us until you get to 30 sacks." They are paid PER SEASON.

Play great or play badly, and it's still a contract. Teams have the option to end that contract, but don't try to act like it's equitable to both sides.

If the coach is shit, and calls terrible plays, the player doesn't get the option to just go to another team.

Teams demand loyalty, but they don't show loyalty to the players. So when a player holds out for more money, more power to him. It's the only leverage he has.

Play poorly and they can end the contract. You don't keep a shit player just because you have a contract. It's not how contracts work. Performance is a huge factor.