Dorsey looking to find a way back to Michigan

[Michchamp]

sure, everybody could use a corner, but we don't need one that bad to risk this guy.

If I remember correctly from that other thread on this, I believe there are also some pretty stiff academic issues with taking a JUCO, since most of their credits aren't going to transfer to Michigan anyway.

 

[biggunsbob]

If he gets his grades up and can make I see no reason not to give him a look.. I thought america was about redemption and second chances.... Lets give the kid a shot if he deserves it..

 

[Michchamp]

remember the fiasco when RR pushed to recruit this kid, and then the compliance department was like "WHOA... WHOA!!!! Wait a minute."

the press started to have a field day with his criminal history, and then all the Excuse Makers started demanding Michigan lower its standards to accommodate this kid, and making all sorts of wild claims about our standards being a deliberate attempt to sabotage RR?

 

[Michchamp]

biggunsbob[/color]]If he gets his grades up and can make I see no reason not to give him a look.. I thought america was about redemption and second chances.... Lets give the kid a shot if he deserves it..

Not to sound like a Republican here, but some of the choices you make have consequences you have to live with.

I don't think anyone's life should be ruined for committing the sort of crimes he did as a minor; he should get a chance to go to college and play football somewhere... just not Michigan. There's no reason for a program like ours to risk this guy doing more dumb crap when he gets in, OR lower our standards to admit him.

 

[beez]

I'm not "rooting" for him. He's at JUCO instead of UM because of him, not because he was dealt a bad hand or something. I'm not rooting against him, but just vbecause NOW he wants to work hard, I'm not pulling for him.

He made some mistakes as a kid. Get over yourself man.

As I said, I'm not rooting against him but I'm not rooting for him either. because the kid says some good things and throws on a michigan hat now you're convinced? Ok........

All I said was it's his fault he didn't get into Michigan so I don't feel sorry for him or don't find myself pulling for him like he's frickin Austin Hatch. If he has turned things around, good for him. If he gets into Michigan, good for him. But I'm not going to hope and pray he gets there because he's working hard now. I'd rather hope for a kid who had an injury or something.

No need to "get over myself."

 

[deathroh]

sure, everybody could use a corner, but we don't need one that bad to risk this guy.

If I remember correctly from that other thread on this, I believe there are also some pretty stiff academic issues with taking a JUCO, since most of their credits aren't going to transfer to Michigan anyway.

How about we could use a lockdown corner. No clue if he's that, but if he is I wouldn't pass him up because of his past.

You are right about Michigan and Juco's...this probably isn't going to happen.

 

[deathroh]

remember the fiasco when RR pushed to recruit this kid, and then the compliance department was like "WHOA... WHOA!!!! Wait a minute."

the press started to have a field day with his criminal history, and then all the Excuse Makers started demanding Michigan lower its standards to accommodate this kid, and making all sorts of wild claims about our standards being a deliberate attempt to sabotage RR?

Yeah, that theory hit a major snag when UM (supposedly) didn't go after Aaron Burbridge becase he didn't meet the new(er) standards. Unless those same people think there is an attempt to sabotage Hoke too.

 

[thewolverines24]

He made some mistakes as a kid. Get over yourself man.

sure... armed robbery, burglary... just kids being kids!

Guys in my high school used to strap up and rob people in the neighborhood all the time. It was no big deal.

And so you obviously have no idea what it is like to grow up around those type of bad influences. You have no fucking clue what it's like to be a kid surrounded by bad. Kids tend to make really bad mistakes in those situations.

 

[deathroh]

biggunsbob[/color]]If he gets his grades up and can make I see no reason not to give him a look.. I thought america was about redemption and second chances.... Lets give the kid a shot if he deserves it..

Not to sound like a Republican here, but some of the choices you make have consequences you have to live with.

I don't think anyone's life should be ruined for committing the sort of crimes he did as a minor; he should get a chance to go to college and play football somewhere... just not Michigan. There's no reason for a program like ours to risk this guy doing more dumb crap when he gets in, OR lower our standards to admit him.

whoa whoa whoa, lawyer...what crimes did he commit?

 

[beez]

sure... armed robbery, burglary... just kids being kids!

Guys in my high school used to strap up and rob people in the neighborhood all the time. It was no big deal.

And so you obviously have no idea what it is like to grow up around those type of bad influences. You have no fucking clue what it's like to be a kid surrounded by bad. Kids tend to make really bad mistakes in those situations.

While I'm not saying he did any of that....this is a piss poor reply. I don't understand why you feel so sorry for this kid. I grew up in a pretty shitty neighborhood, went to a high school where there were lots of fights and drugs. We had to stop playing a local high school in football (one of our rivalries) because shootings occurred after every game. You make your own choices and you live with them. The problem with America is everyone is a product of their enviornment now. Everyone is temproraily insane, or are the way they are because someone didn't love them. My parents rarely held steady jobs through most of my teenage life, a lot of my friends dropped out or went to jail but I didn't. I've worked full time since I got out of school. That doesn't make me some huge success story, it's life. You choose your own path.

I'm not saying I never made mistakes. I tried to steal something once as a kid and was caught. I was caught out late after curfew a time or two. But while my friends were breaking into cars and things, I was doing something else. It's not that hard.

 

[beez]

Either they don't know........... don't show............. or don't care about what's going on in the hood?

 

[thewolverines24]

And so you obviously have no idea what it is like to grow up around those type of bad influences. You have no fucking clue what it's like to be a kid surrounded by bad. Kids tend to make really bad mistakes in those situations.

While I'm not saying he did any of that....this is a piss poor reply. I don't understand why you feel so sorry for this kid. I grew up in a pretty shitty neighborhood, went to a high school where there were lots of fights and drugs. We had to stop playing a local high school in football (one of our rivalries) because shootings occurred after every game. You make your own choices and you live with them. The problem with America is everyone is a product of their enviornment now. Everyone is temproraily insane, or are the way they are because someone didn't love them. My parents rarely held steady jobs through most of my teenage life, a lot of my friends dropped out or went to jail but I didn't. I've worked full time since I got out of school. That doesn't make me some huge success story, it's life. You choose your own path.

I'm not saying I never made mistakes. I tried to steal something once as a kid and was caught. I was caught out late after curfew a time or two. But while my friends were breaking into cars and things, I was doing something else. It's not that hard.

I don't feel so sorry for him and I probably could have worded my response more appropriately. He made his mistakes and they were his choices. I can just look past that because like you I've seen friends make the same mistakes. Dorsey may not have had anyone to lean on as a kid besides those bad influences. Major mistakes happen in those situations. I can understand that. I'm rooting for him because I want to see people better themselves. I can root for a guy like Dorsey as well as a guy like Hatch. I want to see Hatch recover and enjoy life to the fullest. I want to see Dorsey turn his life in the right direction and do the same. Isn't that what we should all want? To see people better themselves and be successful? Instead of saying oh well you screwed up too bad as a teenager, you aren't good enough for Michigan. If he works his ass off and earns the right to attend Michigan, Florida, Virginia Tech, wherever, then I think we should all be happy for the kid and root for him to continue down a path of success.

 

[hungry]

Everyone who reaches the point of self-assessment and the willingness to reverse bad decisions is a sign of maturity and I'll support anyone who makes that decision.

I agree, but I don't think Dorsey has come close to demonstrating that. what's that saying about morals are what you do when no one else is looking? every jackass athlete who screws up is smart enough to mumble their way through some insincere apology to placate the court of public opinion. well... except Terrelle Pryor... but I digress.

at this point, Dorsey hasn't done much more than talk nice to the dumbass jersey chasers that follow recruiting like it was their religion.

Going to a JUCO and playing sandlot, RichRod-style garbage football isn't demonstrating squat.

My 4th grade curriculum was more challenging than JUCO.

Well, he hasn't been in trouble for over 3 years, I think

Do they play a Rich-Rod style sandlot, garbage football on defense at GVSU? I wasn't aware of that.

 

[hungry]

sure, everybody could use a corner, but we don't need one that bad to risk this guy.

If I remember correctly from that other thread on this, I believe there are also some pretty stiff academic issues with taking a JUCO, since most of their credits aren't going to transfer to Michigan anyway.

Then just get in and don't bother transferring credits. I started at CMU and transferred to MSU. I transferred my credits, because I wanted to graduate in 2 years and I was paying my own way. I could've started all over if I had wanted to as a freshman. Do you have to transfer any credits? If he thinks he'll earn a scholarship and eventually go onto the NFL, then why bother worrying over a few credits from gvsu?

 

[hungry]

remember the fiasco when RR pushed to recruit this kid, and then the compliance department was like "WHOA... WHOA!!!! Wait a minute."

the press started to have a field day with his criminal history, and then all the Excuse Makers started demanding Michigan lower its standards to accommodate this kid, and making all sorts of wild claims about our standards being a deliberate attempt to sabotage RR?

The uproar was, also, about how he raised his high school gpa using unapproved online courses. I don't think that will be an issue any longer.

 

[hungry]

biggunsbob[/color]]If he gets his grades up and can make I see no reason not to give him a look.. I thought america was about redemption and second chances.... Lets give the kid a shot if he deserves it..

Not to sound like a Republican here, but some of the choices you make have consequences you have to live with.

I don't think anyone's life should be ruined for committing the sort of crimes he did as a minor; he should get a chance to go to college and play football somewhere... just not Michigan. There's no reason for a program like ours to risk this guy doing more dumb crap when he gets in, OR lower our standards to admit him.

Not for lowering any standards, but if he can qualify, they should give him a look.

It sounds like you would have a problem with the guy even if he met the standards.

Some people with criminal histories do get accepted at Michigan.

 

[Michchamp]

Not to sound like a Republican here, but some of the choices you make have consequences you have to live with.

I don't think anyone's life should be ruined for committing the sort of crimes he did as a minor; he should get a chance to go to college and play football somewhere... just not Michigan. There's no reason for a program like ours to risk this guy doing more dumb crap when he gets in, OR lower our standards to admit him.

whoa whoa whoa, lawyer...what crimes did he commit?

I don't remember exactly. some of it had been expunged, IIRC, but there was the arrest records, and court record.

again... what may or may not fly according to the letter of the law is one thing; whether we want to lower our standards to accommodate it is another. I say NO to the latter. Not worth it.

I agree with Beez. And I'm not naive about the effects of peer pressure, either, but it's not like he was just going around, vandalizing stuff, and drinking. There's a gray area, and then there's armed robbery...

 

[deathroh]

whoa whoa whoa, lawyer...what crimes did he commit?

I don't remember exactly. some of it had been expunged, IIRC, but there was the arrest records, and court record.

...

According to a jury of his peers and a judge, he was not guilty of committing any crimes. I guess you can show your disdain for the legal system and say whatever you want, but you would be wrong, of course.

 

[biggunsbob]

biggunsbob[/color]]If he gets his grades up and can make I see no reason not to give him a look.. I thought america was about redemption and second chances.... Lets give the kid a shot if he deserves it..

Not to sound like a Republican here, but some of the choices you make have consequences you have to live with.

I don't think anyone's life should be ruined for committing the sort of crimes he did as a minor; he should get a chance to go to college and play football somewhere... just not Michigan. There's no reason for a program like ours to risk this guy doing more dumb crap when he gets in, OR lower our standards to admit him.

I never once said Michigan should lower their standards but if the kid gets his grades in order and can qualify for Michigan there is no reason Dorsey or anybody should not get a second chance...Your statement sounds so elitist... I could care less either way... I trust Hoke will make a good decision on Dorsey either way..

 

[byco42]

I'm reasonably certain that there are few felons already matriculating at the University of Michigan, so why exclude a football player based on the fact that he was arrested and acquitted of a crime?