DURR it's cold outside there can't be no global warming or hurrrrr

[Spartanmack]

We haven't had power for over 12 hours.. like over half TX is without power. has nothing to do with wind turbines.

everything to do with a screwed up state grid, designed to maximize profit during normal operations and no accountability or planning for extreme events.

my house got down to 46F last night. all my fish in the aquarium died.

people all over are dying from the cold, or CO poisoning, but at least TX doesn't let the federal government stick it's nose in their business...

who knew lobbyist buzz words like "red tape" and "job killing regulations" actually spurred investment...??

the NYT is lying? say it aint so...

by the way, you forgot to "Dumb guy voice" at the start of this post. I'm sure if it was all managed by the government, they would have anticipated 16 degree temps in Houston, spend the tens of billions of dollars to beef up the grid, just like they have where temps regularly go well below freezing, oh wait, they haven't done actually done that. Nevermind that, if the government ran it, all would be good and nobody and no fish would be dead. I'm convinced, nationalize all of it - how else can we save the fish in the ocean and suburban aquariums?

 

[Michchamp]

the NYT is lying? say it aint so...

by the way, you forgot to "Dumb guy voice" at the start of this post. I'm sure if it was all managed by the government, they would have anticipated 16 degree temps in Houston, spend the tens of billions of dollars to beef up the grid, just like they have where temps regularly go well below freezing, oh wait, they haven't done actually done that. Nevermind that, if the government ran it, all would be good and nobody and no fish would be dead. I'm convinced, nationalize all of it - how else can we save the fish in the ocean and suburban aquariums?

Go fuck yourself, asshole

 

[Spartanmack]

My understanding is that it is mostly overfishing, but climate change impacts our ability to rebuild.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...mate-change-is-shrinking-essential-fisheries/

and it causes extremes in weather in both directions, so no matter what happens, climate change is a contributing factor if not the main factor, even though in this case it's not really a factor.

 

[Spartanmack]

Go fuck yourself, asshole

don't you have better uses of your whatever battery power you have left than throwing temper tantrums on a sports forum?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Oh crap. The covid vaccines need to be administered wherever power goes out.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ling-to-administer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses/

 

[Michchamp]

don't you have better uses of your whatever battery power you have left than throwing temper tantrums on a sports forum?

no.

have plenty of power for electronic devices

 

[Spartanmack]

Are there any politicians you've voted for to support the idea that you are concerned about pollution and the things we put in the earth that are impacting the air we breath, food we eat and the water we drink?

They're not easy to come by, particularly on a national level. I'm mostly left with the choice of voting against extreme climate alarmists using pseudo science to push radical agendas that won't fix the real problem.

 

[byco42]

the NYT is lying? say it aint so...

by the way, you forgot to "Dumb guy voice" at the start of this post. I'm sure if it was all managed by the government, they would have anticipated 16 degree temps in Houston, spend the tens of billions of dollars to beef up the grid, just like they have where temps regularly go well below freezing, oh wait, they haven't done actually done that. Nevermind that, if the government ran it, all would be good and nobody and no fish would be dead. I'm convinced, nationalize all of it - how else can we save the fish in the ocean and suburban aquariums?

SM, I’m going to unofficially “mod” in here.

Several years ago, I was in unheated surroundings where the temp was around 50 in side my townhouse for several weeks in the winter and that was no picnic, AND I had power. I just could not use the furnace. MC and family are in a particular predicament with a lot other people in the US, and this is no time to pile on with your especially sardonic tone that hits a very sour note with me. I figure that MC has some allowances in these circumstances and we need to listen rather than abuse these adverse conditions for the purpose of making a lesser point. My sister-in-law the Austin area is covering herself with blankets as she takes turns with the rest of Texas to ration whatever power it can spare. She’s boiling what little water she has. It’s 45 degrees in her house.

You crossed the line, SM. By Beamon-like distance. I’m extremely disappointed.

 

[Spartanmack]

no.

have plenty of power for electronic devices to throw tantrums

fify

 

[byco42]

fify

You?ve made an indelible impression on me regarding your character, I?m afraid. FWIW.

 

[tinselwolverine]

This might not be the best time to post the weather forecast here in Hollywood... I was thinking of doing it just as, ya know, an ice breaker...

 

[Spartanmack]

SM, I’m going to unofficially “mod” in here.

Several years ago, I was in unheated surroundings where the temp was around 50 in side my townhouse for several weeks in the winter and that was no picnic, AND I had power. I just could not use the furnace. MC and family are in a particular predicament with a lot other people in the US, and this is no time to pile on with your especially sardonic tone that hits a very sour note with me. I figure that MC has some allowances in these circumstances and we need to listen rather than abuse these adverse conditions for the purpose of making a lesser point. My sister-in-law the Austin area is covering herself with blankets as she takes turns with the rest of Texas to ration whatever power it can spare. She’s boiling what little water she has. It’s 45 degrees in her house.

You crossed the line, SM. By Beamon-like distance. I’m extremely disappointed.

You’ve made an indelible impression on me regarding your character, I’m afraid. FWIW.

I'm not unsympathetic to the situation. We were without power and heat with two toddlers for over a week after super storm Sandy and with a toddler and a newborn after the Halloween ice storm the year before.

I don't think I need to point out the fact that his constant underhanded sardonic comments about conservatives are directed primarily if not exclusively at me, not to mention all the direct insults. I don't ask or need anyone to officially or unofficially "mod" on my behalf. And I don't really see how calling him out for using this situation to push his politics is particularly insensitive unless your issue is with the comment about the fish. Maybe that was insensitive, but I've endured worse without ever calling anyone an asshole or telling them to go fuck themselves and I've never taken pleasure in other people's suffering. So rather than being selective in your judgements maybe just keep them to yourself because if anyone pays any attention to the back and forth between us and their takeaway is to judge my character while giving him a pass because it's cold in Texas for a couple of days, I can't really say their judgement means all that much to me.

 

[Gulo Blue]

They're not easy to come by, particularly on a national level. I'm mostly left with the choice of voting against extreme climate alarmists using pseudo science to push radical agendas that won't fix the real problem.

And why do you think the Pentagon and credit rating agencies are worried about it?

The argument isn't about what do the oil companies know anymore, it's how many decades have they known about it.

 

[Spartanmack]

And why do you think the Pentagon and credit rating agencies are worried about it?

Politics at least in the case of the Pentagon. The credit ratings agencies could be political, could just be they believe the accc narrative.

The argument isn't about what do the oil companies know anymore, it's how many decades have they known about it.

what do the oil companies know, that they're causing climate change or that they're polluting the environment? And Monsanto?

 

[Gulo Blue]

what do the oil companies know, that they're causing climate change or that they're polluting the environment?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

In their eight-month-long investigation, reporters at InsideClimate News interviewed former Exxon employees, scientists and federal officials and analyzed hundreds of pages of internal documents. They found that the company’s knowledge of climate change dates back to July 1977, when its senior scientist James Black delivered a sobering message on the topic. “In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon’s management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees—a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today. He continued to warn that “present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to 10 years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical." In other words, Exxon needed to act.

 

[byco42]

I'm not unsympathetic to the situation. We were without power and heat with two toddlers for over a week after super storm Sandy and with a toddler and a newborn after the Halloween ice storm the year before.

A little empathy wouldn?t hurt, then.

I don't think I need to point out the fact that his constant underhanded sardonic comments about conservatives are directed primarily if not exclusively at me, not to mention all the direct insults.

Except for this of MC?s particular rant was not aimed at any single poster here. Others jumped in with some support, others didn?t, and only you ambushed him.

I don't ask or need anyone to officially or unofficially "mod" on my behalf. And I don't really see how calling him out for using this situation to push his politics is particularly insensitive unless your issue is with the comment about the fish.

Context. It?s all about context. And I would not categorize your response as ?insensitive.? ?Unnecessary? is how I read it, for starters.

Maybe that was insensitive, but I've endured worse without ever calling anyone an asshole or telling them to go fuck themselves and I've never taken pleasure in other people's suffering.

I recall that I was fairly emphatic about expressing my disdain about that, too.

So rather than being selective in your judgements maybe just keep them to yourself because if anyone pays any attention to the back and forth between us and their takeaway is to judge my character while giving him a pass because it's cold in Texas for a couple of days, I can't really say their judgement means all that much to me.

RE: ?Selective? ... see above. Yet, you responded.

You have the floor for the final word, if you want.

-30-

 

[Gulo Blue]

Left wing rag:
https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/Sustainability/Environmental-protection/Climate-change

 

[Spartanmack]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

I thought in the 70s we were worried about global cooling and the population bomb. Also, maybe those executives knew then that the consensus claim wasn't true, that consensus isn't part of the scientific method, consensus is often wrong and the models used to make those predictions weren't and still aren't particularly reliable.

I don't think this is like the tobacco companies denying their products caused cancer.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I thought in the 70s we were worried about global cooling and the population bomb. Also, maybe those executives knew then that the consensus claim wasn't true, that consensus isn't part of the scientific method, consensus is often wrong and the models used to make those predictions weren't and still aren't particularly reliable.

I don't think this is like the tobacco companies denying their products caused cancer.

Like I said, the discussion has moved on from what they know to when they knew it.

 

[byco42]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

Scientists discovered the relationship between CO2 and atmospheric warming in the 1890s.

Published studies emerged as early as the 1930s.

In the 1950s, Gilbert Plass created a detailed computer model that included different atmospheric layers and the infrared spectrum and found that increasing CO2 levels would cause warming. In the same decade Hans Suess found evidence CO2 levels had been rising, Roger Revelle showed the oceans would not absorb the increase, and together they helped Charles Keeling to begin a record of continued increase, the Keeling Curve.[321] Scientists alerted the public,[323] and the dangers were highlighted at James Hansen's 1988 Congressional testimony.[23] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, set up in 1988 to provide formal advice to the world's governments, spurred interdisciplinary research.[324]​

So it’s not like Exxon was sitting on information. And this hit piece cannot take the place of the study, which cannot take the place of myself conducting one of my own, had I the time or inclination.

From the article:

(From Exxon scientist James Black) A year later he (Black) warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees—a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today.​

EDIT: And what other scientists had been saying for almost 90 years, and, clearly the article omitted, ignored, or failed to discover this readily available information.

CO2 has gone from 280 ppm to 410 (est) ppm from 1759 to present.

Global temperature has risen 1.8 degree F from 1880 to present. So there’s that. A smoking gun would be an Exxon statement that demonstrates that this temperature change is harmful in 1977 or before the congressional hearings in 1988.

Here’s a link to information that is interesting. Link