Eric Kramer suicide attempt

[tomdalton22]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/stor...troit-lions-chicago-bears-wounded-suicide-try

 

[inkfreq]

He took some hard shots over the years. Ex-wife saying he has "brain injuries" doesn't really surprise me.

I hope he's able to get some help. Clint Malarchuk went through a lot of the same stuff, including the gunshot wound suicide attempt, and after extensive therapy is living a pretty happy life again.

 

[tomdalton22]

He took some hard shots over the years. Ex-wife saying he has "brain injuries" doesn't really surprise me.

I hope he's able to get some help. Clint Malarchuk went through a lot of the same stuff, including the gunshot wound suicide attempt, and after extensive therapy is living a pretty happy life again.

I don't know...his son dying of a heroin OD might have more to do with it than getting hit in the head.

 

[inkfreq]

I don't know...his son dying of a heroin OD might have more to do with it than getting hit in the head.

Parents lose children every day. It's the single most heartbreaking thing any father can do.. burying your son... but it's not a suicide situation.

Normal minds grieve and then pick up the pieces, as hard as that is to do. It takes a different mind to find a very permanent solution to a temporary pain.

A guy I worked for up until last year buried his baby girl in 2006. I've never seen a man so heart broken. She died very slowly of Ewing's Sarcoma over a period of nearly 8 years, and they finally had to pull the plug and let her go in her early 20s.

He was a total wreck for years. It's a terrible thing... but it's not what makes someone kill themselves.

 

[tomdalton22]

Parents lose children every day. It's the single most heartbreaking thing any father can do.. burying your son... but it's not a suicide situation.

Normal minds grieve and then pick up the pieces, as hard as that is to do. It takes a different mind to find a very permanent solution to a temporary pain.

A guy I worked for up until last year buried his baby girl in 2006. I've never seen a man so heart broken. She died very slowly of Ewing's Sarcoma over a period of nearly 8 years, and they finally had to pull the plug and let her go in her early 20s.

He was a total wreck for years. It's a terrible thing... but it's not what makes someone kill themselves.

The number one reason for suicide is depression which can be caused by many factors.

 

[dubbsco]

The NFL as we know it will be completely different or extinct in 40-50 years. This stuff is finally getting coverage, and the more you read, the worse it sounds.

 

[tonyballs]

Parents lose children every day. It's the single most heartbreaking thing any father can do.. burying your son... but it's not a suicide situation.

Normal minds grieve and then pick up the pieces, as hard as that is to do. It takes a different mind to find a very permanent solution to a temporary pain.

A guy I worked for up until last year buried his baby girl in 2006. I've never seen a man so heart broken. She died very slowly of Ewing's Sarcoma over a period of nearly 8 years, and they finally had to pull the plug and let her go in her early 20s.

He was a total wreck for years. It's a terrible thing... but it's not what makes someone kill themselves.

What's not a suicide situation? Losing a child?! What is then? I know suicide isn't the answer and there's always a way out of a rut, but losing a kid is TRAGIC. If I ever lost my little girl then I don't think I could go on. Scratch that actually......I KNOW I couldn't survive without her.

That's a pretty bold statement, brother. Unless I'm reading that wrong or something.

 

[inkfreq]

What's not a suicide situation? Losing a child?! What is then? I know suicide isn't the answer and there's always a way out of a rut, but losing a kid is TRAGIC. If I ever lost my little girl then I don't think I could go on. Scratch that actually......I KNOW I couldn't survive without her.

That's a pretty bold statement, brother. Unless I'm reading that wrong or something.

Nope, you're reading it right.

I've already buried a son. SIDS. I watched my pop bury two sons. Cancer and heart failure. I've seen people lose children, it happens every single day... and they pick up. It wrecks them. But they go on.

When my baby boy died, I thought about it. Sure. And then I thought about what they would do to my wife. Losing her son and then her husband?

Thousands of children die in America alone every year. Dozens of thousands. I don't even know what the number is... but people don't kill themselves over it....

... unless there is something else there. Depression was mentioned. Clinical depression is not caused by pain and misery. It's caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. That can be a factor. Certainly head injuries can play a factor. Lots of things can... but people who take that way out already have something else going on in that melon.

I don't think anyone really "goes on" after that Tony. You're changed. Hollow. Life is flavorless. But people don't kill themselves normally because they lost someone they love deeply.

 

[tonyballs]

Nope, you're reading it right.

I've already buried a son. SIDS. I watched my pop bury two sons. Cancer and heart failure. I've seen people lose children, it happens every single day... and they pick up. It wrecks them. But they go on.

When my baby boy died, I thought about it. Sure. And then I thought about what they would do to my wife. Losing her son and then her husband?

Thousands of children die in America alone every year. Dozens of thousands. I don't even know what the number is... but people don't kill themselves over it....

... unless there is something else there. Depression was mentioned. Clinical depression is not caused by pain and misery. It's caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. That can be a factor. Certainly head injuries can play a factor. Lots of things can... but people who take that way out already have something else going on in that melon.

I don't think anyone really "goes on" after that Tony. You're changed. Hollow. Life is flavorless. But people don't kill themselves normally because they lost someone they love deeply.

Wow, didn't know you went through all that, bro. So sorry to hear that. You're a rock, man

 

[inkfreq]

Wow, didn't know you went through all that, bro. So sorry to hear that. You're a rock, man

Born to Suffer. That's been my motto since I was 8 and my favorite grandpa died on my birthday. Hehe.. it's been one hell of a ride since.

But it's not being a rock man. It's life. Shitcanning yourself doesn't help anyone, and in the darkest moments of human despair, that's what people think about.

The one's who don't end it. But most think about it.

 

[biggunsbob]

Sorry to hear that I. about your kid..
We went through nothing that tragic but had multiple miscarries and getting that phone call from my wife when she was suppose to be getting happy ultra sound updates to the next day having the unborn dead children removed makes you look at things differently.. Nowhere near what you went through.. I personally think Erik was really suffering from something.. At least I hope. I could never give up... It took 7+ years of trying and almost adopting but then we got lucky with girl and a boy..

Depression is a awful thing. I would never judge anyone for anything they do but I do agree taking your own life hurts others way more..

 

[inkfreq]

In 2012 he told the media...

"But you find yourself and you find faith and the strength to go on. And when you have other kids, like I have Dillon who is 13, there is no option for anything else but to find a way. One day at a time, one conversation at a time and just persevere."

He was already thinking about the people he would crush with this. There's more to it than just sadness.

 

[biggunsbob]

It could be brain injury related? Makes no sense with that quote :/

 

[jdeb]

I have worked with a lot of young men over the years suffering from addiction, depression, abuse, mental illness, etc. The human mind is a vast and complex universe. So many unknowns, mysteries, and assumptions. I have worked with many suicide youth and men. I have helped some and found some dead. Never could pin point any one thing really, all were different. Some self medicated, others self mutilated. Some just needed someone to talk too, others needed a physiatrist. No two were the same. Eric just didn't get the help he needed and that is sad. Some never can be helped. I have seen hopeless recover but very rare.

If one thing stood out, I would say most of these people could not comprehend their trouble even when pointed out to them... I light would not go on. I never had any answers but I could listen as long as it took for them to discover some of their own.



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[dubbsco]

Watch the difference in tackles between rugby and the NFL. In rugby, those guys NEVER jump off the launching pad into the head. They go right for the body 99 percent of the time. It's also harder for the defenders to build up a massive head of steam as a lot of the play is lateral.

The game is just too insanely physical right now, people getting head hunted on crossing patterns while not even looking at the ball.

 

[jwlcosu]

Watch the difference in tackles between rugby and the NFL. In rugby, those guys NEVER jump off the launching pad into the head. They go right for the body 99 percent of the time. It's also harder for the defenders to build up a massive head of steam as a lot of the play is lateral.

The game is just too insanely physical right now, people getting head hunted on crossing patterns while not even looking at the ball.

Rugby style tackling is now a big part of the Buckeye program. Safer and more effective. Don't know whether the credit goes to Urban or his staff but it's new since he arrived in C'bus.

 

[inkfreq]

Football used to advocate fundamental tackling. Wrap your arms around a guy, lock your hands, drive your shoulder into his breadbasket, and bring him down.

Then the 24/7 sports news cycle happened. The rise of ESPN. The internet. YouTube.

People want to see highlight reel blow them up tackles. More and more guys are going for the head for the big shoulder that knocks a guy flying. It's leading to more and more injuries of the head, and more and more missed tackles, because if you miss with that missile like shoulder, you fly 10 yards past him and eat dirt.

The more highlight reel hits a guy puts up, the more he's on TV and the more his next contract is worth. The more jerseys they sell with his name on them, etc...

 

[jwlcosu]

Just read this thread from beginning to end. Quite sobering.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Football used to advocate fundamental tackling. Wrap your arms around a guy, lock your hands, drive your shoulder into his breadbasket, and bring him down.

Then the 24/7 sports news cycle happened. The rise of ESPN. The internet. YouTube.

People want to see highlight reel blow them up tackles. More and more guys are going for the head for the big shoulder that knocks a guy flying. It's leading to more and more injuries of the head, and more and more missed tackles, because if you miss with that missile like shoulder, you fly 10 yards past him and eat dirt.

The more highlight reel hits a guy puts up, the more he's on TV and the more his next contract is worth. The more jerseys they sell with his name on them, etc...

I think the concussion issue has more to do with players physical development than anything else. I wont say the "24/7 sports news" has nothing to do with it.....but I think we are in a time when we are reaching near a limit of what the human body can do and to that extent, withstand.

You have guys like Patrick Willis who are 245 lbs that run legit 4.5's. Form tackle or not, if you are running at a guy that big and he stops you dead in your tracks.....helmet hit or not....your brain is also stopping dead in it's tracks. Guys are so big, so fast, so strong now.

I'll put it this way.....a guy like Larry Webster would have been a physical MARVEL in the 60's and 70's.....he would have been the biggest player in the league as well as one of the fastest. OF ALL PLAYERS. Not so today.

 

[dubbsco]

Maybe so, but football has always been a super violent sport. It's more about technique than it is about the guys being super strong. If I was on the field with a helmet, and I have no idea how you are built, but I'll go out on a limb and say you aren't chiseled granite. If you got a full head of steam and launched into my head with yours, you'd be damn well sure i'd be concussed or hurt bad.

If I lined up across the field from guys without helmets, there would be a huge part of me that would make sure that I'd do my best not to take out someone's head and focus on a body tackle. These players have so much freaking padding and giant helmets they feel like they are invincible.

I think it's less about how strong they are, more about how they play.

Yes, the players today are a lot more physical due to the amount of supplements and technology they have, but let's not cut out the older generation to a bunch of guys that were 5'5 150lb. Plenty of players back in the day were physical specimens.