Fan team breakdown, TV markets

[redandguilty]

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?src=twrhp

OSU has more fans than anyone else in the nation. Michigan is a close second. Penn St. is number 3. Clemson is a real surprise to me at #10.

Schools of the Big Ten have the most fans.

Michigan has just as many fans in the New York Market as Syracuse.

Combine Michigan's and OSU's fans and you have more than the Big East (before losing Pitt and Syracuse). Mich + OSU + Penn St > the entire Pac 12.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

That's an awesome article.

 

[Guest]

That's why schools like Rutgers & Syracuse come up when BIgTen expansion is discussed ....the NYC TV market. I had a long drawn out argument with fairy 'Go_Bucks' who couldn't grasp this concept

 

[redandguilty]

That's why schools like Rutgers & Syracuse come up when BIgTen expansion is discussed ....the NYC TV market. I had a long drawn out argument with fairy 'Go_Bucks' who couldn't grasp this concept

But those schools might not have enough pull to land that markets. Michigan's NY pull = Syracuse's NY pull

 

[Michchamp]

Interesting; still I think they have a ways to go before that could be considered "scientific." Even they seem to admit that.<blockquote>[i:utqx0a6e]This approach isn

 

[beez]

Really surprised at PSU at #3...I had no idea.

 

[Guest]

That's why schools like Rutgers & Syracuse come up when BIgTen expansion is discussed ....the NYC TV market. I had a long drawn out argument with fairy 'Go_Bucks' who couldn't grasp this concept

But those schools might not have enough pull to land that markets. Michigan's NY pull = Syracuse's NY pull

M already has that market and a ton of Alumni living there so these smaller, local schools benefit from inclusion in the BigTen instead of competing with it. Plus, though not a super-strong football market, that area is huge for advertising and when you add in basketball, lacrosse, etc

Versus a Mizzou or other plains state school

 

[Michchamp]

That's why schools like Rutgers & Syracuse come up when BIgTen expansion is discussed ....the NYC TV market. I had a long drawn out argument with fairy 'Go_Bucks' who couldn't grasp this concept

But those schools might not have enough pull to land that markets. Michigan's NY pull = Syracuse's NY pull

when Rutgers was hot a few years back, they were lighting buildings in Manhattan in red. The idea that those schools can't pull fans is false; it's just that they've sucked for so long, the don't have very many dedicated fans, and no bandwagon fans to speak of.

bringing in one or both of those schools would be huge; fans in NYC are worth more than fans in some podunk town somewhere else. A Rutgers-Michigan, or Rutgers-Penn State game would be HUGE for TV revenue in NYC.

 

[Guest]

Champ said it better than I did ....

 

[redandguilty]

But those schools might not have enough pull to land that markets. Michigan's NY pull = Syracuse's NY pull

when Rutgers was hot a few years back, they were lighting buildings in Manhattan in red. The idea that those schools can't pull fans is false; it's just that they've sucked for so long, the don't have very many dedicated fans, and no bandwagon fans to speak of.

bringing in one or both of those schools would be huge; fans in NYC are worth more than fans in some podunk town somewhere else. A Rutgers-Michigan, or Rutgers-Penn State game would be HUGE for TV revenue in NYC.

I didn't know that. I can see that I guess. But I'm still against chasing markets with the idea that you'll get non-fans to pay because they're in the same region with some key threshold number of fans. As technology progresses and content delivery and ad monitoring techniques improve, people will watch what they want, wherever they want. And advertisers will only pay for people that watch.

 

[redandguilty]

Shortsighted. That's what all this conference realignment TV market talk is. It's all about cashing in today.

 

[Michchamp]

I understand the technology, but I think the hype element will matter more.

as long as the media companies are able to keep their greedy hands on the technology, they'll be able to charge a premium for content that most people aren't going to be willing to pay unless they were already fans.

so I think in any area, most people are going to tune into whatever's on TV/ESPN/etc. also, the surrounding "buzz" of fans in the area, the local media, etc. is going to combine to get people to tune in.

 

[mgeezer]

Interesting article--thanks for pointing it out.

Personally I would prefer the Big Ten not expand, but if we had to, I would go for research universitiesw ith markets, even if the football teams aren't that great--Missouri, Rutgers, Maryland. All of these can find a lot more fans when they are any good.

 

[lostleader]

All UM fans need to start recruiting a friend to become a UM fan. Surely we can convince 200,000 people to root for UM.

I didn't realize that over 3,000,000 people liked OSU. Wonder where ESPN got their numbers, the poll must have been in Ohio.

*Didnt read the article from the NYT I read the Big Ten Blog on ESPN

 

[dannydiggler]

bots

 

[lostleader]

I also have a hard time buying USC is 17th. USC apparel is all over the place. I personally think that number is lower. But I have been wrong before!

 

[Guest]

USC has more bandwagon fans than any school west of Ohio.

 

[wlvrnstlr4life]

USC has more bandwagon fans than any school west of Ohio.

And Miami is a close 2nd overall.
Personally, I think its BS. No one outside of Ohio even likes OSU. There are Michigan bars all over God's green earth. They're in every state in the union. I have never heard of there being OSU bars for people to go to. For the love of God we have The University of Michigan here in fucking Wyoming. This is where the geological sciences division is. There are more people from Michigan here, then there are from Wyoming. If we were to do a poll right now, here today, in the US of A. It would be known that half the populations of every state were Michigan fans. This is a fact and has been known for decades.

 

[Michchamp]

USC has more bandwagon fans than any school west of Ohio.

And Miami is a close 2nd overall.
Personally, I think its BS. No one outside of Ohio even likes OSU. There are Michigan bars all over God's green earth. They're in every state in the union. I have never heard of there being OSU bars for people to go to. For the love of God we have The University of Michigan here in fucking Wyoming. This is where the geological sciences division is. There are more people from Michigan here, then there are from Wyoming. If we were to do a poll right now, here today, in the US of A. It would be known that half the populations of every state were Michigan fans. This is a fact and has been known for decades.

there are probably about a half-dozen OSU bars here.

the sidewalks outside them are typically covered with puke on gamedays.

 

[Guest]

The Ohio* bar in Denver is always packed on gamedays and there are transplanted everythings from everywhere in CO. Funnier to me is this weird phenomenon of Ohio* fans in AZ. It's almost as if by playing all those Fiesta Bowls over the years they gained a bunch of non-Alum bandwagon fans just like in Ohio.