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[Michchamp]

Canton Ohio cops killed a man who was Cele rating NYE.

Now, I do sorta get that James Williams should not have been celebrating by firing his gun into the air. That in itself is something a responsible gun owner should never do. A gun should only be fired at an intended target.

That said, the police officer should be prosecuted. He did not identify the person firing the gun, he just fired through a fence with no idea what was happening on the other side other than a gun was being discharged.

Furthermore, based on what is being relayed, this is a common way for people there to celebrate NYE. While that is somewhat questionable as there did not appear to be others in the neighborhood discharging rifles... IF that is true the police should recognize that before blindly shooting at someone.

The camera on the vest was turned on and has been released. This cop was itchy from the jump it seems to me. I get that the sound of the gunfire had to be somewhat startling, but if properly trained he should have recognized the gun was pointed up in the air, not at him. He should have announced himself as police, ordered something like "Police! Cease fire and put your hands in the air with the gun above the fence." or something. This is, IMO, a wrongful death based on this video. Police really needed to work on more Reforms.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wk...hwest/95-120c483f-1955-470c-ac63-88b60154c462

I hope there won't be riots in Canton, but I won't be surprised. I do not support that, but I do support the position this officer was wrong. Williams was not using his gun properly, but the officer should have recognized the situation and handled it differently.

The police officer murdered a guy. Without identifying himself, or attempting any other resolution, he just fired blindly through a fence, at someone discharging a firearm, which is only a misdemeanor in Ohio.

Normally you're calling for murderers to be publicly executed by slow strangulation... but here because he was a cop, maybe he should get some additional training so he learns not to shoot first and ask questions later? Maybe a friendly talking to?

 

[Michchamp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=CSoBlRxg5-k&feature=emb_title

 

[Gulo Blue]

Normally you're calling for murderers to be publicly executed by slow strangulation... but here because he was a cop, maybe he should get some additional training so he learns not to shoot first and ask questions later? Maybe a friendly talking to?

Saw a Netflix comedian talking about police being protected if they kill somebody because they fear their life is in danger - so part of the hiring process should be figuring out what they are scared of. It was said as a joke, but I don't see a hole in that that logic anywhere.

 

[Spartanmack]

LOL, turns out some of those reports about the spooky armed Proud Boys were completely made up - by the Seattle PD. Oops.

 

[tomdalton22]

LOL, turns out some of those reports about the spooky armed Proud Boys were completely made up - by the Seattle PD. Oops.

the police really fucked up

 

[Spartanmack]

the police really fucked up

they did but they were also put in an almost impossible situation by their dumbass mayor who thought the autonomous zone was great and Seattle was going to have the "Summer of Love" despite the fact that the autonomous zone was established by first taking over and torching a police precinct. No one should be too surprised when mistakes are made after you tie one or both of cops' hands behind their backs.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I guess these cops weren?t able to find any young black men to hunt down and execute on this particular day.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_JMlX3m0u0o

Oh well.

Maybe tomorrow.

 

[zyxt9]

The police officer murdered a guy. Without identifying himself, or attempting any other resolution, he just fired blindly through a fence, at someone discharging a firearm, which is only a misdemeanor in Ohio.

Normally you're calling for murderers to be publicly executed by slow strangulation... but here because he was a cop, maybe he should get some additional training so he learns not to shoot first and ask questions later? Maybe a friendly talking to?

WTF are you talking about? I'm the one who first said this cop was wrong! I'm saying he deserves to be punished to the fullest extent because he was being an idiot; however, I'm also saying the community is wrong for initiating some dumbass ritual of firing their guns into the air as though the bullets magically disappear.

No one involved was right or justified for their actions, but he did not deserve to be killed. The cop was 100% wrong in his inability to comprehend, under these circumstances, what was taking place. IF this is an annual thing, he should have recognized as any viewer of the footage with half a brain cell can, that the rifle was firing into the air and not at him.

I'm all for prosecuting this cop you twit.

 

[zyxt9]

From the Department of "No shit, Sherlock!", we have Liberals FINALLY recognizing that the cops need to employ SOME measures to get guns off the streets. NYC's new mayor, Adams, is saying that 5 cops being shot in a month is too much. Time to return plain clothes cops and some supposed new tech that can detect guns? Hey, at least they finally drew a line that DeBlasio could never draw. DeBlasio would not have cared, so maybe Adams is not quite DeBlasio 2.0... will have to see what happens next. Probably some BLM and Antifa protest calling Adams a disgrace, likely even a traitor. I'm sure every cop that has been shot recently has deserved it simply for being cops.

 

[Michchamp]

From TN: link.

yes, the guy they shot (executed really) was white.

Kinda wonder what's going through cops' heads when they outnumber a guy 12-1 and stand there, guns drawn on him, and all start shooting when he makes an obvious gesture to get suicided by cop. "Oh boy, we're so going to get to shoot someone today!"

No tactics whatsoever for taking someone in without killing them?

 

[Spartanmack]

From TN: link.

yes, the guy they shot (executed really) was white.

Kinda wonder what's going through cops' heads when they outnumber a guy 12-1 and stand there, guns drawn on him, and all start shooting when he makes an obvious gesture to get suicided by cop. "Oh boy, we're so going to get to shoot someone today!"

No tactics whatsoever for taking someone in without killing them?

yeah, I'm sure everyone agrees, these instances need to be fair fights. I think they should have sent at least 9 of those cops home and had the other 3 draws straws for who gets to shoot the guy. Or maybe only send 6 of them home, and only let the lucky straw cop shoot back after at least 2 of their fellow officers are seriously wounded - of course they're needs to be a backup plan in case one of those mortally wounded cops is the one that drew the lucky straw. And an added bonus to this is if the guy gets a few rounds off, any that don't kill cops could end up being stray bullets that injure or kill an unarmed civilian, like this little girl crossing the street with her mom.

Another amazing take on the issues of the day.

 

[Michchamp]

yeah, I'm sure everyone agrees, these instances need to be fair fights. I think they should have sent at least 9 of those cops home and had the other 3 draws straws for who gets to shoot the guy. Or maybe only send 6 of them home, and only let the lucky straw cop shoot back after at least 2 of their fellow officers are seriously wounded - of course they're needs to be a backup plan in case one of those mortally wounded cops is the one that drew the lucky straw. And an added bonus to this is if the guy gets a few rounds off, any that don't kill cops could end up being stray bullets that injure an unarmed civilian.

Another amazing take on the issues of the day.

You think that's the point I'm trying to make?

 

[Spartanmack]

You think that's the point I'm trying to make?

I think you're an idiot if you think the cops acted inappropriately in that instance. That post was exaggerated sarcasm but your take on the situation, law enforcement and policing in general is so dumb it can't be too far off from that obviously hyperbolic example. Don't forget, in your post you indicated that cops take pleasure in shooting people.

 

[Michchamp]

I think you're an idiot if you think the cops acted inappropriately in that instance. That post was exaggerated sarcasm but your take on the situation, law enforcement and policing in general is so dumb it can't be too far off from that obviously hyperbolic example. Don't forget, in your post you indicated that cops take pleasure in shooting people.

SO your first response is a straw argument (typical for you. I guess that's why you're so quick to throw that around... always projecting), FOLLOWED by name-calling. Well, maybe I'm an idiot, I dunno, but regardless I don't think cops should line up 12 deep to confront an unarmed guy with mental problems (he purportedly had a box cutter and told the cops that), just to end up gunning him down from a distance in hail of bullets. straight up summary execution.

I guess at least here they didn't threaten bogus charges on all the people stopped on the road who filmed it.


EDIT: I better say it more clearly, so you don't focus on the 12-deep part and think I'm arguing cops need to just shoot people mano-a-mano, rather than calling for backup: I don't think police should summarily execute unarmed people, like in the video.

 

[tinselwolverine]

From TN: link.

yes, the guy they shot (executed really) was white.

Kinda wonder what's going through cops' heads when they outnumber a guy 12-1 and stand there, guns drawn on him, and all start shooting when he makes an obvious gesture to get suicided by cop. "Oh boy, we're so going to get to shoot someone today!"

No tactics whatsoever for taking someone in without killing them?

The link is to some Twitter thing I don?t seem to be able to access.

 

[Michchamp]

The link is to some Twitter thing I don?t seem to be able to access.

it's a video from a public account (you don't need to follow her to see it), that auto-plays once you click on it.

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe I'm an idiot, I dunno, but regardless I don't think cops should line up 12 deep to confront an unarmed guy with mental problems (he purportedly had a box cutter and told the cops that), just to end up gunning him down from a distance in hail of bullets. straight up summary execution.

I guess at least here they didn't threaten bogus charges on all the people stopped on the road who filmed it.

according to this piece, the victim had the box cutter in his left hand and kept his right hand in his pocket the whole time, then pulled out a metal cylindrical item and "took a stance as if he had a firearm." That item turned out not to be a gun. It's tragic but if that's how it happened, I don't fault the cops for this one. Cops shouldn't have to see a gun to draw their firearms and they shouldn't have to get shot or take the risk of being shot before using deadly force when someone threatens their lives. The fact that the object turned out to not be a gun isn't an indictment of the cops.

 

[tinselwolverine]

it's a video from a public account (you don't need to follow her to see it), that auto-plays once you click on it.

Not working. Don?t know why.

 

[Spartanmack]

SO your first response is a straw argument (typical for you. I guess that's why you're so quick to throw that around... always projecting), FOLLOWED by name-calling. Well, maybe I'm an idiot, I dunno, but regardless I don't think cops should line up 12 deep to confront an unarmed guy with mental problems (he purportedly had a box cutter and told the cops that), just to end up gunning him down from a distance in hail of bullets. straight up summary execution.

I guess at least here they didn't threaten bogus charges on all the people stopped on the road who filmed it.


EDIT: I better say it more clearly, so you don't focus on the 12-deep part and think I'm arguing cops need to just shoot people mano-a-mano, rather than calling for backup: I don't think police should summarily execute unarmed people, like in the video.

no, it's not. you got the take wrong again. If anyone is posting straw men - it's you, which is of course most of what you do. The cops didn't summarily execute an unarmed guy from a distance. How they line up - whether it's 12 deep or more is completely irrelevant. And the guy wasn't unarmed - he had a box cutter and he didn't just tell them he had it, it was in his hand. Who knows what else on him - are police supposed to assume the only weapons someone have on them are the ones they can see? And if they get shot when a suspect pulls a gun on them, oh well, fuck 'em, that's the risk they get paid all that cop money for. The cops didn't summarily execute him, they showed restraint until he acted as though he may shoot them after he drew what appeared to be a gun from his pocket. When cops are threatened with deadly force as they reasonably believed they were in this case, the response is deadly force, not "shoot 'em in the leg and hope none of us gets killed." I never want it to be a remotely fair fight - I want all the cops to go home every night, so I don't care if he was shot by one officer or 9.

The idea that he was summarily executed is moronic.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Is Is this same incident?

This appears to be from the body cam of an officer.