Finally! A list of BLM demands!

[Spartanmack]

Police presence in these areas should be to keep people safe, not to bust people for petty drug possessions. I'm not saying that they need to bust fraternity parties but they would be easy targets for marijuana possession. There are plenty of pill poppers in white communities that are free to use without worrying about getting caught. I'd rather see drug use treated as a medical problem and not a criminal one, I'd rather us not have higher incarceration rates than any country in the world, I'd rather not see for profit prisons. In black communities, they feel unfairly targeted and they feel by simply being black in a poor area increases your chances of a deadly encounter with the police. My point all along is that the drug war is to blame for this.

So the drug war is to blame for peoples' feelings? And if you have statistical evidence to prove that those feelings are misguided and their chances of a deadly encounter with police is in fact NOT higher, simply because they're black, what do you say to that? Facts don't matter, it's feelings that count?

 

[Spartanmack]

I never said that you were racist, never said you weren't. I have said that you're a shitty human being, typical wall street trader selfish asshole, but I've never called you a racist. I didn't see the post about the SC cop, so when there's a video of an unarmed man being shot in the back, you agree that's wrong, congrats.

Is there any racial injustice with the enforcement of drug laws?

I'm a shitty human being? Why is that? Because I stand up for innocent, defenseless babies? That makes me a shitty human being? People that savagely chop innocent defenseless human beings into pieces aren't shitty, they're fighting the good fight? You don't know anything about me - but even if you were right, which you're not (not even close), I'd say it's better than being an dumbass social justice warrior. Again, show me one instance where I took the knee-jerk reaction to defend cops shooting an unarmed black person. You made the accusation, you said I ALWAYS do it. Back it up. Find one case.

 

[Sbee]

So the drug war is to blame for peoples' feelings? And if you have statistical evidence to prove that those feelings are misguided and their chances of a deadly encounter with police is in fact NOT higher, simply because they're black, what do you say to that? Facts don't matter, it's feelings that count?

Well where do those feelings come from?

Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts ? 21 times greater i, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings.

The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.

 

[tomdalton22]

Police presence in these areas should be to keep people safe, not to bust people for petty drug possessions. I'm not saying that they need to bust fraternity parties but they would be easy targets for marijuana possession. There are plenty of pill poppers in white communities that are free to use without worrying about getting caught. I'd rather see drug use treated as a medical problem and not a criminal one, I'd rather us not have higher incarceration rates than any country in the world, I'd rather not see for profit prisons. In black communities, they feel unfairly targeted and they feel by simply being black in a poor area increases your chances of a deadly encounter with the police. My point all along is that the drug war is to blame for this.

I think you are being naive. Do you really think if they treat drug use as a medical problem not a criminal problem people will quit? Most people that do drugs do them because they like it and don't want to quit.

I did a quick google search. What I found is typical rehab costs between $10K-$20K per month.

 

[Sbee]

I'm a shitty human being? Why is that? Because I stand up for innocent, defenseless babies? That makes me a shitty human being? People that savagely chop innocent defenseless human beings into pieces aren't shitty, they're fighting the good fight? You don't know anything about me - but even if you were right, which you're not (not even close), I'd say it's better than being an dumbass social justice warrior. Again, show me one instance where I took the knee-jerk reaction to defend cops shooting an unarmed black person. You made the accusation, you said I ALWAYS do it. Back it up. Find one case.

savagely chop innocent defenseless human beings? A bit dramatic, aren't we? we're talking about a collection of cells that in most cases is the size of a blueberry, not close to a fully formed human being.

Ok, so being a selfish asshole is better than being a social justice warrior, someone who has empathy and cares for people who are traditionally discriminated against?

As for the police shooting reaction, I'm not going to go digging through years of posts on this board. If you say you've never done that, whatever, you've never done it.

 

[Sbee]

I think you are being naive. Do you really think if they treat drug use as a medical problem not a criminal problem people will quit? Most people that do drugs do them because they like it and don't want to quit.

I did a quick google search. What I found is typical rehab costs between $10K-$20K per month.

keeping someone in prison costs 31k per year, in NY it's 60k. that doesn't take into account the affect on their families, increased reliance on social services, etc. How about all the court costs? Public Defenders? DEA agents? Policing?

I don't think you really understand addiction, but neither do lawmakers, or they don't care (Bill Clinton included), so we end up with the highest percentage of people in jail for any country with more than 100k residents.

What would you suggest?

 

[Spartanmack]

savagely chop innocent defenseless human beings? A bit dramatic, aren't we? we're talking about a collection of cells that in most cases is the size of a blueberry, not close to a fully formed human being.

Ok, so being a selfish asshole is better than being a social justice warrior, someone who has empathy and cares for people who are traditionally discriminated against?

As for the police shooting reaction, I'm not going to go digging through years of posts on this board. If you say you've never done that, whatever, you've never done it.

no, it's not dramatic. have you seen how abortions are performed? It's barbaric. Here's a couple videos put together by a former abortionist...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgw4X7Dw_3k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5THDmys8z30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Af8vIym2o

you can't watch those and tell me it's not barbaric. of course, you probably won't watch them, but you'll still feel comfortable saying it's not barbaric.

Why am I a selfish asshole? because I keep proving you wrong with facts and data? how does that make me selfish? I get why you would think that makes someone an asshole, but selfish? c'mon.

who says I'm not empathetic to poor people? just because I don't agree with your wrongheaded opinions doesn't mean I'm happy about the plight of poor people of any ethnicity. Facts support my position and I think there are better solutions to the problem, that doesn't make me selfish.

But hurling these accusations is counterproductive - and stupid. It's the hallmark of the left. You can't support your position with facts so attack the other side. It works pretty well - just not when people armed with facts fight back.

 

[Spartanmack]

Well where do those feelings come from?

Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater i, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings.

The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.

these numbers have also been debunked. When you account for crime rates, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police - didn't you see that study that came out about a month ago, from an African American Harvard econ professor? He called it the most shocking result of his life. Sorry, I'm being a selfish asshole again - i just can't help myself.

 

[Sbee]

no, it's not dramatic. have you seen how abortions are performed? It's barbaric. Here's a couple videos put together by a former abortionist...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgw4X7Dw_3k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5THDmys8z30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Af8vIym2o

you can't watch those and tell me it's not barbaric. of course, you probably won't watch them, but you'll still feel comfortable saying it's not barbaric.

Why am I a selfish asshole? because I keep proving you wrong with facts and data? how does that make me selfish? I get why you would think that makes someone an asshole, but selfish? c'mon.

who says I'm not empathetic to poor people? just because I don't agree with your wrongheaded opinions doesn't mean I'm happy about the plight of poor people of any ethnicity. Facts support my position and I think there are better solutions to the problem, that doesn't make me selfish.

But hurling these accusations is counterproductive - and stupid. It's the hallmark of the left. You can't support your position with facts so attack the other side. It works pretty well - just not when people armed with facts fight back.

you love to talk about all of your facts, you say that a deadly encounter with police is not higher, then I show you numbers that show that young blacks are 21x more likely to be shot and killed by a police officer. You completely gloss over that and then say that you're proving me wrong with facts and data. Oh the irony

 

[tomdalton22]

keeping someone in prison costs 31k per year, in NY it's 60k. that doesn't take into account the affect on their families, increased reliance on social services, etc. How about all the court costs? Public Defenders? DEA agents? Policing?

I don't think you really understand addiction, but neither do lawmakers, or they don't care (Bill Clinton included), so we end up with the highest percentage of people in jail for any country with more than 100k residents.

What would you suggest?

I guess I would start with more severe penalties for distribution. That seems to be more logical than spending a bunch of money on rehabing people that don't want it.

 

[Sbee]

these numbers have also been debunked. When you account for crime rates, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police - didn't you see that study that came out about a month ago, from an African American Harvard econ professor? He called it the most shocking result of his life. Sorry, I'm being a selfish asshole again - i just can't help myself.

There are so many things wrong with adjusting for crime rates, since you can only measure arrests and not actually committing the crime, say, let's take drug possession for example. Why do you have to point out that the professor is black?

 

[Sbee]

I guess I would start with more severe penalties for distribution. That seems to be more logical than spending a bunch of money on rehabing people that don't want it.

awesome, you put people in jail for longer for selling drugs. Did you miss the decades where they tried to do that? guess what happened?

 

[tomdalton22]

awesome, you put people in jail for longer for selling drugs. Did you miss the decades where they tried to do that? guess what happened?

so your answer is to treat people at a cost of $10K-$20K per month. These are mostly people that don't want treatment but are forced to do so because they were caught with drugs. Then, after you "treat" them they get right back on the street to buy more drugs. They will buy the drugs from criminals....many times gang members. These gang members are typically the ones that are doing a lot of the violent crimes. You know....killing each other and innocent bystanders. Killing more black people on a daily basis than "innocent" black people are killed by police in a year. But, let's not put them in jail for selling drugs. Maybe we can treat them too. Maybe we should give them Obama phones so they can make more drug deals!

 

[Gulo Blue]

There are so many things wrong with adjusting for crime rates, since you can only measure arrests and not actually committing the crime, say, let's take drug possession for example. Why do you have to point out that the professor is black?

Not even my point and I can answer that one for you: to preemptively answer any question you might have about bias.

 

[Spartanmack]

There are so many things wrong with adjusting for crime rates, since you can only measure arrests and not actually committing the crime, say, let's take drug possession for example. Why do you have to point out that the professor is black?

There is so much more that's wrong with just looking at raw data and drawing conclusions than there is in controlling for circumstances that would lead to police shootings. Do you think that if the cops raided the SAE house, they'd be just as likely to be met with armed or violent resistance than they would in Compton? Here is a good article on the data. It's from a conservative author though so...

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

Gulo beat me to it with his explanation for why the study authors race was mentioned. Is that satisfactory to you? Sorta spoils your ah-ha, gotcha moment but did you really think that was racist, that I slipped up and revealed my true colors there?

 

[Spartanmack]

you love to talk about all of your facts, you say that a deadly encounter with police is not higher, then I show you numbers that show that young blacks are 21x more likely to be shot and killed by a police officer. You completely gloss over that and then say that you're proving me wrong with facts and data. Oh the irony

did you read the article I posted? Those are all facts, no glossing over anything. There's nothing at all ironic about it.

 

[Spartanmack]

so your answer is to treat people at a cost of $10K-$20K per month. These are mostly people that don't want treatment but are forced to do so because they were caught with drugs. Then, after you "treat" them they get right back on the street to buy more drugs. They will buy the drugs from criminals....many times gang members. These gang members are typically the ones that are doing a lot of the violent crimes. You know....killing each other and innocent bystanders. Killing more black people on a daily basis than "innocent" black people are killed by police in a year. But, let's not put them in jail for selling drugs. Maybe we can treat them too. Maybe we should give them Obama phones so they can make more drug deals!

If you would simply ignore the fact that dealing illegal drugs is an inherently violent enterprise, perhaps then you'll be able to see why it's wrong to imprison drug offenders.

Where is turd to back up all this nonsense - he and Bob could tell us how corporations are just as if not more depraved and insidiously evil as drug dealers and how if we just taxed them more, we could solve all the ills of society.

 

[Sbee]

If you would simply ignore the fact that dealing illegal drugs is an inherently violent enterprise, perhaps then you'll be able to see why it's wrong to imprison drug offenders.

Where is turd to back up all this nonsense - he and Bob could tell us how corporations are just as if not more depraved and insidiously evil as drug dealers and how if we just taxed them more, we could solve all the ills of society.

Yes, drug dealing is a violent enterprise, look at Mexico for example. My suggestion is to fight the demand side vs the supply side. Fighting the supply is inherently expensive with court costs, prisons, drug enforcement, social costs, etc. As long as the demand is there then there will be horrible gang violence. You'll never eliminate the demand but lessening it is smarter policy than locking people up at 30k per year so someone else can take his place on the street the next day and then end up on prison sometime down the road.

Fighting the demand is a lot better than fighting the supply. People who want drugs will always be able to find them.

 

[Sbee]

Not even my point and I can answer that one for you: to preemptively answer any question you might have about bias.

As if I'm going to say a white person or black person can't be objective in these issues? Really? That's trump logic

 

[Spartanmack]

Yes, drug dealing is a violent enterprise, look at Mexico for example. My suggestion is to fight the demand side vs the supply side. Fighting the supply is inherently expensive with court costs, prisons, drug enforcement, social costs, etc. As long as the demand is there then there will be horrible gang violence. You'll never eliminate the demand but lessening it is smarter policy than locking people up at 30k per year so someone else can take his place on the street the next day and then end up on prison sometime down the road.

Fighting the demand is a lot better than fighting the supply. People who want drugs will always be able to find them.

It's not obvious that fighting the demand side is better. it hasn't worked in the Netherlands.