Fins targeting a trade up?

[cheeno]

The Palm Beach Post "keep(s) hearing" the Dolphins will target Oklahoma LT Lane Johnson with their first pick, but that landing him would require trading up.
With three top-54 picks and five in the first 82, Miami has more than enough ammo to make a move. The Fins have hinted at big draft plans, and we'd expect GM Jeff Ireland to aggressively explore trades. Johnson could go as high as No. 5 to the Lions, so Ireland would have to put together a serious package. Ireland seems to be GMing for his job this offseason, so anything is possible.

It is looking more and more likely now the two top LTs will be off the board by 5. The wild cards are Dion Jordan and Gino Smith. Would you like us to grab Johnson ourselves, grab Ansah or Milliner or move all the way back to either the Cards, Bills or Fins which I think are our most likely partners.

 

[lgolfer]

If we were able to trade down and get an extra pick mid 2nd round or higher, then I'd go for it. That way we could get 2 solid DEs. Not that Mayhew would necessarily do that, but I think we need two talented DEs because our current DE situation is awful.

If we couldn't trade back and get a pick mid 2nd round or higher, then I'd rather just take Milliner.

 

[mhughes0021]

would have loved a trade down to the phins before we got Quinn. would have grabbed vacarro in a sec. not so much now. Youd be grabbing a starting guard or reaching on a corner. There wouldnt really be a stud DE....id say Werner but most mocks have him bottom of the first now and say hes more suited for s 3-4 olb. 10-20 is filled with DTs and guards...maybe some reaches on WRs and CBs. Rather see us grab a playmaker at 5.

 

[cheeno]

would have loved a trade down to the phins before we got Quinn. would have grabbed vacarro in a sec. not so much now. Youd be grabbing a starting guard or reaching on a corner. There wouldnt really be a stud DE....id say Werner but most mocks have him bottom of the first now and say hes more suited for s 3-4 olb. 10-20 is filled with DTs and guards...maybe some reaches on WRs and CBs. Rather see us grab a playmaker at 5.

Trade down with the fins you are looking at Cooper, Mingo, Austin, Rhodes, DTs.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Isn't that quite a bit to lose, going from 5 to 12?

 

[cheeno]

Isn't that quite a bit to lose, going from 5 to 12?

In a good draft year yes. This year I think Fisher and Joeckel are the safe bets, after that you can find talent throughout the first-second at different positions. This is a year you rely on scouting. I'm scared.

 

[Mitchrapp]

In a good draft year yes. This year I think Fisher and Joeckel are the safe bets, after that you can find talent throughout the first-second at different positions. This is a year you rely on scouting. I'm scared.

What's wrong with our scouting, lol.

 

[motown1958]

I say you make this move. We need a guard and I am willing to bet one of the DE's we are targeting at 5 will still be there at 12. We need a lot of help and we dont have a ton of picks so if you drop back and pick up a second and third or another first next year. How ever you cut it this could really be a move that helps.

 

[KAWDUP]

What if the 'phins plans were to trade up to 4 to grab the LT there, rather than trade with the Lions? In essence beating us to the punch on the second LT.

Don't you think that would be more likley? In that case I have to agree that the Lions should take Milliner.

 

[cheeno]

What if the 'phins plans were to trade up to 4 to grab the LT there, rather than trade with the Lions? In essence beating us to the punch on the second LT.

Don't you think that would be more likley? In that case I have to agree that the Lions should take Milliner.

Well the report said Lane Johnson is there guy, he'll be there at 5, but the Cards could likely grab him if he's there at 7. In this case Fisher and Joeckel would be gone before then. But it is hard to predict any trades, just one possible scenario.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

There is actually some really good OT talent and depth in this draft. Joekel, Fisher, and Johnson are the big three, but don't sleep on Fluker, Long, Armstead, etc. being solid to very good starting NFL OTs. There are guys like Bakhtiari, Nixon, Aboushi, Faulk, etc. who could be nice mid to late round scores too. If Fisher is there at #5, I'd take him, but I'd definitely be tempted to trade down, grab some other big talent in the 1st (one of the stud DEs?), gain a pick(s), then snag one of the second tier OTs later on.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I'm still sticking with my original thought about the #5. If Milliner is there...he is the pick. After that, if there IS a trade down scenario presented to the Lions that gets us an additional pick in the first 2 rounds.....you have to do it. Getting three good players in the first two rounds could fill needs at both DE spots and G.

 

[mhughes0021]

There is actually some really good OT talent and depth in this draft. Joekel, Fisher, and Johnson are the big three, but don't sleep on Fluker, Long, Armstead, etc. being solid to very good starting NFL OTs. There are guys like Bakhtiari, Nixon, Aboushi, Faulk, etc. who could be nice mid to late round scores too. If Fisher is there at #5, I'd take him, but I'd definitely be tempted to trade down, grab some other big talent in the 1st (one of the stud DEs?), gain a pick(s), then snag one of the second tier OTs later on.

menelik watson is getting a lot of end of first rd hype.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I don't think we can really go wrong taking BPA with a lean toward positions of need. We need OL help, secondary help, DEs, and LB help, and could probably use good depth or starter challengers at just about every other spot.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I would only be unhappy picking at #5 if we DON'T land Milliner or Fisher. I think Ansah is a freak but risky, and it seems like there will be trade down scenarios for the #5 pick if one of those two isn't there.

 

[inkfreq]

I can't imagine a trade down scenario this year that is going to return what we would give up.

The Dolphins aren't so sold on an Eric Fisher type player that they would offer more than a 3rd rounder as compensation instead of just settling for Lane Johnson, who they can likely have at 12 or a Fluker or Kyle Long they can have in the 2nd.

So we'd be giving up the only potential upper end talent in this draft for weak compensation. I don't feel like Johnson + a 3rd = Fischer or Milliner.

Basically, unless Miami is parting with a pair of 2nd rounders plus their first to move up, I am not sold on the Lions dropping down and taking a "maybe" pick with a "probably not" 3rd rounder for compensation.

Let's be honest, this is one of the weakest draft classes in NFL history, which means the extra picks you take in a trade down are weaker picks too. Stockpiling more weak picks does not equal picking an upper end starting talent.

I can't remember a draft when I wasn't automatically in favor of trading down... ever... until this one.

 

[lgolfer]

I can't imagine a trade down scenario this year that is going to return what we would give up.

The Dolphins aren't so sold on an Eric Fisher type player that they would offer more than a 3rd rounder as compensation instead of just settling for Lane Johnson, who they can likely have at 12 or a Fluker or Kyle Long they can have in the 2nd.

So we'd be giving up the only potential upper end talent in this draft for weak compensation. I don't feel like Johnson + a 3rd = Fischer or Milliner.

Basically, unless Miami is parting with a pair of 2nd rounders plus their first to move up, I am not sold on the Lions dropping down and taking a "maybe" pick with a "probably not" 3rd rounder for compensation.

Let's be honest, this is one of the weakest draft classes in NFL history, which means the extra picks you take in a trade down are weaker picks too. Stockpiling more weak picks does not equal picking an upper end starting talent.

I can't remember a draft when I wasn't automatically in favor of trading down... ever... until this one.

First of all, there's no way any team would ever accept just a 3rd round pick to drop from the 5th pick to the 12th.

Second, while this may not be an extremely strong draft class, it's not one of the weakest. Instead of several star players, there are a lot of good players with not much separation between them. There won't be a huge difference between a player picked between the middle of the 1st round and end of the 2nd round. Therefore, receiving an extra 2nd rounder would be great as compensation.
If Fisher and Milliner are both not there at 5, I'd strongly consider trading down and picking up an extra 2nd rounder or more.

 

[mhughes0021]

First of all, there's no way any team would ever accept just a 3rd round pick to drop from the 5th pick to the 12th.

Second, while this may not be an extremely strong draft class, it's not one of the weakest. Instead of several star players, there are a lot of good players with not much separation between them. There won't be a huge difference between a player picked between the middle of the 1st round and end of the 2nd round. Therefore, receiving an extra 2nd rounder would be great as compensation.
If Fisher and Milliner are both not there at 5, I'd strongly consider trading down and picking up an extra 2nd rounder or more.

id be happy with another 2nd round pick. have to weigh at what point itd be worth it and then ofcourse we are here on this baord to discuss the aftermath. If mayhew trades down and grabs yet another slot receiver like tavon austin id probably lose my mind lmao. But if we get a starting guard like warmack then add an extra pick in rd 2 which we can use to fill DE, CB, or olb...then ya....it might be worth it. With our defense looking the way it does now the obvious answer is the more picks the better....but it does matter what mayhew does with those picks. Getting guys that might produce in 2016 just wont cut it this offseason.

Miami 2nd rd pick is #42....so its pretty high....definitely good value there:

1) Rhodes CB, Eifert TE, Warmack G, Fluker OT
2a) Werner DE, Watson OT, Wreh-Wilson CB, Ertz TE
2b) Carradine DE, Arthur Brown OLB, Banks CB, Moore DE

would be potential targets we would hopefully be looking at.

 

[cheeno]

I think Lane Johnson is gone by 12 in this draft, I may be wrong though.

 

[schles192]

I think Lane Johnson is gone by 12 in this draft, I may be wrong though.

He won't get past the chargers @11