Good trade bait

[zyxt9]

Who on the Lions could be used as trade bait to improve draft position or to sweeten straight trades? Someone talented enough that teams would view the guy as a decent backup at minimum. (Keeping in mind the plan would be to upgrade that position in draft or trade if player is a current starter.)

Off the top of my head:

Stovall or Logan
Levy or Carpenter
Berry, Smith or Spievey
Peterman or Goz

Those are a few off the top of my head, but wondering if others have thoughts on this front.

 

[kmd47]

lol

 

[dannydiggler]

lol

My initial thought.. #lulz

 

[zyxt9]

Care to elaborate? Are you laughing cuz you think those playes are not able to be traded cuz they suck? Mayhew was the master of the Roy Williams trade, why is it impossible these guys could be included (NOTE: not saying they would be the main guy the Lions give up, just an additional player in a trade to sweeten the deal).

Instead of laughing, please include your thoughts on who could be used in trades that would improve draft position or allow for acquiring of more talent on the team?

 

[dannydiggler]

Not sure most of those players could make 85% of teams rosters. Levy isn't going anywhere and if they replace Peterman or Goz they would probably cut their sorry ass'. Spievey will stay around if they were to upgrade as a good backup. Nobody wants our trash.

 

[mhughes0021]

Who on the Lions could be used as trade bait to improve draft position or to sweeten straight trades? Someone talented enough that teams would view the guy as a decent backup at minimum. (Keeping in mind the plan would be to upgrade that position in draft or trade if player is a current starter.)

Off the top of my head:

Stovall or Logan
Levy or Carpenter
Berry, Smith or Spievey
Peterman or Goz

Those are a few off the top of my head, but wondering if others have thoughts on this front.

theres no value on your list. The one person who might have slight value is Levy and i have no problem giving Palmer a shot in his place. I dont think youll get much in return though....like a 4th round pick maybe??

 

[turok]

There should be a single word in the sports nomenclature that best describes fans of a team wanting to package up all, most or some of their shoulda, coulda and/or never were/will bes in exchange for a stud(s) or star(s) on another team or in this case, a higher draft pick or better still, picks.

Not that I haven't ever thought of or wished for the same thing though, especially b/c it DOES happen, albeit somewhat rarely, when a franchise's GM gets totally fleeced by another. For the Lions, it was most recently when Roy Williams was traded to Dallas for their first, third and sixth round picks in 2009, plus a seventh-round pick in 2010.

 

[zyxt9]

People, I'm not talking straight trades for these guys. I'm talking about including players in a trade to sweeten the pot. As for "those guys are trash and nobody wants our trash", that's old thinking. The Lions are a playoff team now, and these guys were factors in getting there whether you like it or not. Carpenter's INT vs Cowboys started that turn around, Smith has been a ball hawk and now has a couple pick 6s.

Bitch about these guys all you want, they were factors in the team getting into the playoffs and therefore not "trash". Stovall and Logan are solid ST players as well. It might take more than one player to sweeten the pot to move up in the draft, but I see no reason why some of these guys, and others, wouldn't be seen as improving the trade value for the other team depending on their needs.

You guys are acting the same way people did back when the team was 0-16. This team has value now and it is time the Lions take advantage of it. Not saying trade them all, but do whatever it takes to make the team better. There are what, 20?, teams with worse records than the Lions? Certainly some of those teams, who have better draft position, might want to plug a couple of holes instead of a singular one and trading positions with Detroit - which the Lions have shown they like to do - might require the Lions to include players in addition to picks. If these guys were starters or major contributors for a playoff team, why wouldn't they have value to a bottom 10 team? Just because they aren't the best players in the NFL doesn't mean they have zero value.

Heck, even Heller could be used if a team needs a TE bad enough. Scored the 1st TD vs Saints, but I'm sure he's just worthless trash, right?

 

[grandy]

Berry, Spievey, and Peterman for a bucket of footballs

Get it done Mayhew

 

[wolverine304]

I don't think scoring one td makes you something special in a trade lol bj raji has an offensive td this year too

 

[zyxt9]

And if you would go back to the OP, you will also note I asked you braniacs who know so much more to provide names of guys who could be used if not these guys. I don't care if you throw out Stafford and CJ, instead of criticizing and being assholes, why not try to enlighten me and others with your fucking brilliance?

Damn, I know you guys are pissed about having lost yesterday, but no reason to take it out on me when all I did was ask for legit options for trades. If you don't like the guys I put forth, fine, but don't tell me there isn't a single player the Lions could trade and proclaim everyone on a fucking playoff team to be trash. This isn't 2008!!!

 

[mhughes0021]

And if you would go back to the OP, you will also note I asked you braniacs who know so much more to provide names of guys who could be used if not these guys. I don't care if you throw out Stafford and CJ, instead of criticizing and being assholes, why not try to enlighten me and others with your fucking brilliance?

Damn, I know you guys are pissed about having lost yesterday, but no reason to take it out on me when all I did was ask for legit options for trades. If you don't like the guys I put forth, fine, but don't tell me there isn't a single player the Lions could trade and proclaim everyone on a fucking playoff team to be trash. This isn't 2008!!!

package burleson, levy, Houston and best and you might get a 2nd round pick. Im being serious.

Titus' play changed my opinion on him the last 5-6 weeks. burleson is expendable but old and has almost no value at this point.

Palmer can play that position as good if not better than Levy....he was very inconsistent all year.

Best i was over the second he was drafted....hated the pick. Hes not a full time back and proved that by getting injured almost every game hes been in. He has little or no value at this point until he can prove he can finish a game.

Houston is the best of the crap we have in the secondary. But we still need a true #1 cb and hes not it. If we get a CB in FA or draft one early than he becomes expendable.

One name ill throw out there is Avril. Itd have to be a sign and trade since hes a UFA. But if you package some of the guys ive mentioned with him you might get something in return. All of the guys i mentioned are expendable at this point. Avril might be the only name other teams jump at and allow us to get a steal.

HOLY SHIT DENVER WINS!

 

[turok]

Trouble is that any Lions players that have any real value, who the Lions could use as bait in trades, would just further weaken them in the positions that they played. They only this past season, have finally acquired some depth on their DL. For example, Shawn Hill did not play much, and his value likely has taken a big hit since '10. Even if they could find a team who would take him, I doubt very, very much that he would become any team's "starter", he would just be at best, their SS backup like he was with the Lions, and of course as a result, then Drew Stanton would likely become Stafford's second-string replacement next season.

With the lone exception of Calvin Johnson, if I were another team's GM, any other Lions player(s) still remaining, who was/were acquired by Matt Millen before he was terminated, wouldn't be worth much, or deserve any serious consideration or possess compensation value in a potential trade, unless perhaps the Lions were offering to throw in a few of their own higher-round draft picks as well.

 

[zyxt9]

I'm certain there are many posters who agree with trying to get a trade done with Avril. I could see LoJack taking over there, and hopefully they could pick up another solid DE.

If they got a legit #1 CB, I'd love to see Houston as the #2, but can see where he might be tradeable at that point. It is getting harder and harder to have multiple CBs with his or better ability.

 

[tonyballs]

I want to know who's "possibly" trading for Will fn Heller. That's gold right there, bro. We did make the playoffs though, so there is a possibility.

Just teasing, man...don't go postal.

 

[zyxt9]

I want to know who's "possibly" trading for Will fn Heller. That's gold right there, bro. We did make the playoffs though, so there is a possibility.

Just teasing, man...don't go postal.

straight up, obviously no one...but what i am apparently not getting across is he could be one of those additional secondary part of a trade that sweetens the deal enough to get it done.

not sure why everyone is thinking my posts are re: straight trades when every single time i have stated they are not.

 

[tonyballs]

I want to know who's "possibly" trading for Will fn Heller. That's gold right there, bro. We did make the playoffs though, so there is a possibility.

Just teasing, man...don't go postal.

straight up, obviously no one...but what i am apparently not getting across is he could be one of those additional secondary part of a trade that sweetens the deal enough to get it done.

not sure why everyone is thinking my posts are re: straight trades when every single time i have stated they are not.

I never thought you were saying Heller staright up...lol. I just found it funny how Heller "sweetens" the deal in a potential trade. Just rippin' on ya, man...it's cool.

 

[zyxt9]

straight up, obviously no one...but what i am apparently not getting across is he could be one of those additional secondary part of a trade that sweetens the deal enough to get it done.

not sure why everyone is thinking my posts are re: straight trades when every single time i have stated they are not.

I never thought you were saying Heller staright up...lol. I just found it funny how Heller "sweetens" the deal in a potential trade. Just rippin' on ya, man...it's cool.

I have no issue with you saying Heller doesn't, but I would counter that the 6th and 7th round picks that constantly get thrown into those trades offer less value as those guys are often lucky to be on the Practice Squad whereas Heller actually gets playing time.

Back to the OP, feel free to list guys the Lions would be willing to sweeten the pot with. They aren't completely devoid of talent. There has to be someone you can point to and say, "Hey, that guy could be the little extra that makes a trade work so we get the guy we need at position X (likely DB)." As I recall there was at least one guy the Lions cut who got picked up by another team, so my post isn't as unreasonable as people are making it seem. Sure, we might think of a guy as trash...but other teams have holes, even if it is as a backup. Heller obviously makes for a solid backup TE, and other guys who we view as trash also would potentially help the bottom 10 teams. It is all relative. Back in 2008, we would have rejoiced over acquiring some of these guys we now view as trash because the players on the roster at that time were worse. Who would have been pissed at getting Stovall back then as the sweetener provided by another team? It is time to reverse the thoughts we have had for years because now we have guys who, while not the best for our team, would actually be viewed as improvements by other teams.

 

[dannydiggler]

Quit talking with poop in you're mouth

 

[zyxt9]

Danny Diggler[/color]]Quit talking with poop in you're mouth

WTF is your problem? Answer me this, have the Lions in the past few years done trades where they included a player perceived to be trash at best???

Does the name Gronkowski come to mind in the Lions picking up Smith? Lions got a pretty good exchange out of that did they not? So now, suddenly, they don't have A SINGLE FUCKING PLAYER THAT COULD BE ADDED TO A TRADE???????????????

I've provided possible guys who could be involved in these trades, I've backed it up that it is possible, even provided an example from when the team was dogshit, but all people want to do is bash me on this topic? I don't get where all this is coming from other than people just being assholes.

If you don't like the topic, don't fucking respond. If you have something worthwhile to contribute, I'd love to hear it.