Greatest Second Baseman of all time

[tycobb420]

Who ya got?

Other winners:

SS-Honus Wagner
3b- Mike Schmidt
LF- Ted Williams
CF- Ty Cobb
RF- Babe Ruth

 

[Mitchrapp]

Hornsby.

 

[batcave76]

The more I see of these positional vote choices the more I realize it might be more appropriate to divide the players into 2 eras. Say, pre 1950 and 1950 to present. It's almost like apples and oranges. I can see why Alomar would get votes but to compare him w/LaJoie, Collins and Hornsby....IDK? I mean some of these guys played w/gloves that would amount to oven mitts by today's standards!

 

[hellifino]

The more I see of these positional vote choices the more I realize it might be more appropriate to divide the players into 2 eras. Say, pre 1950 and 1950 to present. It's almost like apples and oranges. I can see why Alomar would get votes but to compare him w/LaJoie, Collins and Hornsby....IDK? I mean some of these guys played w/gloves that would amount to oven mitts by today's standards!

they also didn't have bullets hitting at them, a lot of those guys played in the dead ball era.

 

[Rebbiv]

It might have been a "dead ball" era, but the fields were not "manicured" like they are today.

Way more funny boucnes and as stated, "oven mitts" often is attributed to higher batting averages. That, and the vast outfields especially between the power alleys and centerfield.

Then you have the Astro-turf era. Players like Ozzie Smith actually palyed a "shallow" LF and were able to get to balls they wouldn't have gotten to on grass.

Most of the Astro-turf stadiums were multi-use. As was Tiger Stadium until the Silverdome was built. Come late August/Septmeber, many a game showed a worn field where a NFL game was played.

I cannot think of a multi-use stadium currently being used for MLB and NFL games.


I know some of the older posters know what I am talking about. Either watching an NFL game where you could see where the bases were, or vice versa.


I certainly believe domed stadiums have had an impact. No wind means a lot to a flyball or pop out.

 

[batcave76]

It might have been a "dead ball" era, but the fields were not "manicured" like they are today.

Way more funny boucnes and as stated, "oven mitts" often is attributed to higher batting averages. That, and the vast outfields especially between the power alleys and centerfield.

Then you have the Astro-turf era. Players like Ozzie Smith actually palyed a "shallow" LF and were able to get to balls they wouldn't have gotten to on grass.

Most of the Astro-turf stadiums were multi-use. As was Tiger Stadium until the Silverdome was built. Come late August/Septmeber, many a game showed a worn field where a NFL game was played.

I cannot think of a multi-use stadium currently being used for MLB and NFL games.


I know some of the older posters know what I am talking about. Either watching an NFL game where you could see where the bases were, or vice versa.


I certainly believe domed stadiums have had an impact. No wind means a lot to a flyball or pop out.

There are too many inequalities to make accurate comparisons.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Its really hard to know who benefited more. They have benefits now-a days as well, that older players would kill for and vice versa. So really all you can go on are stats. Which is why I went with Hornsby.

 

[Rebbiv]

Keep in mind that rules have changed over the years.


Prior to 1931, a ball that bounced into the stands in fair terrority was considered a home run. It is now considered a ground-rule double. Big difference.


1901 (NL) - foul balls were NOT counted as strikes

1903 (AL) - foul balls were NOT counted as strikes

1920 - spitballs disallowed

1925 - minimum HR distance set at 250 feet

1953 - players could no longer leave their gloves on the field when they batted

1959 - NEW parks had to have minimum distances of 325 - 400 - 325

1969 - mound was lowered 5 inches and strike zone shrunk


These are probably the most influencial changes made aside from equipment.

 

[kalinecountry]

The more I see of these positional vote choices the more I realize it might be more appropriate to divide the players into 2 eras. Say, pre 1950 and 1950 to present. It's almost like apples and oranges. I can see why Alomar would get votes but to compare him w/LaJoie, Collins and Hornsby....IDK? I mean some of these guys played w/gloves that would amount to oven mitts by today's standards!

I agree with this, it is so difficult to compare different eras and all the rule changes as Rebbiv has posted.
Personally, I can't see how it isn't Hornsby. Power bat and .358 career,
even better than, Lajoie, Collins, and Gehringer from that era.
and better than Frisch, Appling, Doerr, Herman,
Modern era, seems that Morgan gets alot of votes as an all-time best, of course Jackie too. Alomar is a nice combo of hitting and fielding.
I will probably vote for Rogers Hornsby.

 

[tycobb420]

The more I see of these positional vote choices the more I realize it might be more appropriate to divide the players into 2 eras. Say, pre 1950 and 1950 to present. It's almost like apples and oranges. I can see why Alomar would get votes but to compare him w/LaJoie, Collins and Hornsby....IDK? I mean some of these guys played w/gloves that would amount to oven mitts by today's standards!

I considered it...maybe that will be done down the road. I really wanted to do it this way first.

 

[tycobb420]

Humdinger going...Alomar-6 Hornsby-5 Charlie-3

 

[batcave76]

Only 1 vote for Morgan. I wonder if that has anything to do w/his TV gig? I don't like him as a color guy. (Not a "colored" guy)

 

[zoombabyzoom]

Hornsby

 

[beez]

Only 1 vote for Morgan. I wonder if that has anything to do w/his TV gig? I don't like him as a color guy. (Not a "colored" guy)

HAHAHAHA

 

[spockmaster]

Only 1 vote for Morgan. I wonder if that has anything to do w/his TV gig? I don't like him as a color guy. (Not a "colored" guy)

thats why i never considered voting for him, i despise the guy.

 

[batcave76]

Only 1 vote for Morgan. I wonder if that has anything to do w/his TV gig? I don't like him as a color guy. (Not a "colored" guy)

thats why i never considered voting for him, i despise the guy.

I never understood why some ex-players that suck keep their jobs as analysts for yrs, ie; McCarver, Morgan, and actual good ones like Jim Palmer, even Reggie J, don't last.

 

[tycobb420]

thats why i never considered voting for him, i despise the guy.

I never understood why some ex-players that suck keep their jobs as analysts for yrs, ie; McCarver, Morgan, and actual good ones like Jim Palmer, even Reggie J, don't last.

Palmer does Orioles games...which is like disappearing.

 

[tycobb420]

This is really going on! 7-7 tie. Voting ends tomorrow morning.

 

[tycobb420]

Damn. 8-8. Well....time for OT...