guess who said "Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am"

[Michchamp]

go ahead. guess.

I'll give you a hint: this person was a national political figure who does not believe global warming is due to human activities.

click this link to see if you're correct.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It does make me happy that he's recognized as a scientist while his degree is in mechanical engineering.

 

[Michchamp]

It does make me happy that he's recognized as a scientist while his degree is in mechanical engineering.

Bill Nye, Engineer Guy doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

 

[SpartyNash]

Right, and her slut of a daughter is as morally pure as a nun. Can we please exile her to Siberia?

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe Sarah Palin isn't the best judge of who is or isn't a scientist, but it doesn't take a real scientist long to expose your movement's cartoon scientist and leading spokesperson (after Al Gore, who definitely isn't a scientist) for the schmuck that he is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hrUaD86XRw

 

[Gulo Blue]

Maybe Sarah Palin isn't the best judge of who is or isn't a scientist, but it doesn't take a real scientist long to expose your movement's cartoon scientist and leading spokesperson (after Al Gore, who definitely isn't a scientist) for the schmuck that he is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hrUaD86XRw

What got exposed there?

Nye is careless when he says 'if the Gulf Steam stops' because models don't have ocean currents stopping, just changing, but if it weakens or moves south, you'll have a colder northern Europe. But I don't think that makes him a schmuck that's been exposed. Or do you mean some other part of it?

 

[Spartanmack]

What got exposed there?

Nye is careless when he says 'if the Gulf Steam stops' because models don't have ocean currents stopping, just changing, but if it weakens or moves south, you'll have a colder northern Europe. But I don't think that makes him a schmuck that's been exposed. Or do you mean some other part of it?

The fact that he's not a scientist and clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Lindzen made that obvious in a couple minutes and Nye admits he has no scientific or merit based reply so he resorted to personal attacks on Lindzen with this myth about some absurd scale of 100k:1 opinions in his favor which Lindzen also destroys immediately.

And just to be clear, Lindzen exposes Nye for not knowing what drives and therefore what would cause a change in the Gulf Stream, tells us Nye is flat out wrong about heat transfer and also proves his personal attack and 100k:1 claim is completely false. Lindzen also comments on the how unreliable these models that are predicting shifts in the gulf stream or any of the other doomsday scenarios all the Chicken Little "100k:1 scientists" are espousing.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Are we talking about the fictitious Professor Proton, who is portrayed by comedic actor legend Bob Newhart on "The Big Bang Theory?"

That's my guess for the answer to the question in the thread title. in the thread title.

In the story, Professor Proton hates Bill Nye.

 

[byco42]

 

[Gulo Blue]

The fact that he's not a scientist and clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Lindzen made that obvious in a couple minutes and Nye admits he has no scientific or merit based reply so he resorted to personal attacks on Lindzen with this myth about some absurd scale of 100k:1 opinions in his favor which Lindzen also destroys immediately.

And just to be clear, Lindzen exposes Nye for not knowing what drives and therefore what would cause a change in the Gulf Stream, tells us Nye is flat out wrong about heat transfer and also proves his personal attack and 100k:1 claim is completely false. Lindzen also comments on the how unreliable these models that are predicting shifts in the gulf stream or any of the other doomsday scenarios all the Chicken Little "100k:1 scientists" are espousing.

I think your therefore is wrong. Just because it doesn't drive the Gulf Stream doesn't mean it can't cause a change to the Gulf Stream. Listen to what the guy says "mostly driven by wind". If you've got to cover lots of topics and just one of them is the idea that the thermohaline circulation may shift resulting in a maybe some shifting of the Gulf Stream, but mostly cooling of it, and you skip the details in a way that's wrong, I don't see it as the big gotcha moment you see it as. It's bad, but not that bad. I agree he's not a climate scientist and he's going to make these kinds of mistakes, but I do think it's fair to call him a scientist and I think he's capable of reading scientific literature and understanding it. He may not have deep knowledge of the subject, but he does a good job doing what he does.

I also disagree with the idea that making a "personal attack" would somehow show that a person is not a scientist.

I also disagree with your characterization of this as a personal attack. He says his opinions are outnumbered by probably 100k:1, "but I don't want to get into a personal attack". I don't think that rises to what we would normally call a personal attack at all. It's very specifically a statement about an opinion and not a person, and it's a guess about that opinions popularity - how much of an attack is that? For that you want to say he has no scientific merit?

 

[Spartanmack]

Are we talking about the fictitious Professor Proton, who is portrayed by comedic actor legend Bob Newhart on "The Big Bang Theory?"

That's my guess for the answer to the question in the thread title. in the thread title.

In the story, Professor Proton hates Bill Nye.

I don't know. I think whether or not the fictitious Professor Proton would say "Bill Nye is as much a scientist as I am" depends on whether or not PP is scientist. And I suppose it would also depend on whether or not PP thought Bill Nye was a scientist. I still haven't seen 5 minutes of BBT, so I'll have to rely on you for the answer to the first question - the writers may be the only people qualified to answer the second.

 

[Gulo Blue]

http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/thc_fact_sheet.html

"The thermohaline circulation contributes only roughly 20% to the Gulf Stream flow."

Is 20% a driver? Some would say yes, some would use the word to mean "primary driver".

I don't think that's Lindzen's real criticism. I think that's you reading into what he's saying. I think Lindzen doesn't like the bit about "shutting it down". Nye should have said slowed or disrupted or shifted or some combination of those words.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think your therefore is wrong. Just because it doesn't drive the Gulf Stream doesn't mean it can't cause a change to the Gulf Stream. Listen to what the guy says "mostly driven by wind". If you've got to cover lots of topics and just one of them is the idea that the thermohaline circulation may shift resulting in a maybe some shifting of the Gulf Stream, but mostly cooling of it, and you skip the details in a way that's wrong, I don't see it as the big gotcha moment you see it as. It's bad, but not that bad. I agree he's not a climate scientist and he's going to make these kinds of mistakes, but I do think it's fair to call him a scientist and I think he's capable of reading scientific literature and understanding it. He may not have deep knowledge of the subject, but he does a good job doing what he does.

I also disagree with the idea that making a "personal attack" would somehow show that a person is not a scientist.

I also disagree with your characterization of this as a personal attack. He says his opinions are outnumbered by probably 100k:1, but I don't want to get into a personal attack. I don't think that rises to what we would normally call a personal attack at all. It's very specifically a statement about an opinion and not a person, and it's a guess about that opinions popularity - how much of an attack is that? For that you want to say he has no scientific merit?

you can disagree with it all you want. That doesn't change the fact that Nye was wrong and had nothing substantive to say in response to what a real scientist has to say on these matters. I didn't characterize it as a personal attack, Bill Nye did and then said he didn't want to make personal attacks as if that somehow legitimizes what was nothing more than a personal attack.

Nothing you've said above does anything to support the doomsday predictions spewed by these untested, untestable, and so far completely incorrect predictions from the scaremongering ACC alarmists. The fact that Nye doesn't know what the main drivers of the Gulf Stream are when he's espousing unsupportable predictions of catastrophe does speak to his credibility - being incorrect for the sake of brevity isn't a valid defense for a "scientist".

 

[Gulo Blue]

you can disagree with it all you want. That doesn't change the fact that Nye was wrong and had nothing substantive to say in response to what a real scientist has to say on these matters. I didn't characterize it as a personal attack, Bill Nye did and then said he didn't want to make personal attacks as if that somehow legitimizes what was nothing more than a personal attack.

Nothing you've said above does anything to support the doomsday predictions spewed by these untested, untestable, and so far completely incorrect predictions from the scaremongering ACC alarmists. The fact that Nye doesn't know what the main drivers of the Gulf Stream are when he's espousing unsupportable predictions of catastrophe does speak to his credibility - being incorrect for the sake of brevity isn't a valid defense for a "scientist".

You're sticking with that? It's a personal attack to say an opinion is unpopular by a ratio of probably 100k:1.

 

[Gulo Blue]

you can disagree with it all you want. That doesn't change the fact that Nye was wrong

There's different degrees of wrongness. To me, this one is a m'eh...I guess.

 

[Spartanmack]

You're sticking with that? It's a personal attack to say an opinion is unpopular by a ratio of probably 100k:1.

yeah, that's all I had to say on the matter - it was a personal attack. Nevermind that I've said a few times now that Nye couldn't argue his case based on anything remotely scientific - he had to try to discredit someone obviously much more knowledgeable than him by making up ridiculous statistic. A statistic that the real scientist disproved immediately. And just like wrongness, there are degrees of personal attacks - the severity of this one is not what is in question, it's the FACT that he has nothing substantive to argue so he resorts to a familiar tactic of alarmists - can't dispute the facts so try to discredit the messenger.

 

[Spartanmack]

There's different degrees of wrongness. To me, this one is a m'eh...I guess.

again,

The fact that Nye doesn't know what the main drivers of the Gulf Stream are when he's espousing unsupportable predictions of catastrophe does speak to his credibility - being incorrect for the sake of brevity isn't a valid defense for a "scientist".

 

[Michchamp]

yeah, that's all I had to say on the matter - it was a personal attack.

it's clearly an attack on his opinion. there's nothing personal about it. (unless you're speaking a language other than English here.)

 

[Michchamp]

Are we talking about the fictitious Professor Proton, who is portrayed by comedic actor legend Bob Newhart on "The Big Bang Theory?"

That's my guess for the answer to the question in the thread title. in the thread title.

In the story, Professor Proton hates Bill Nye.

Wow, I never knew Bob Newheart was on that show. Bob Newheart is awesome!

 

[Gulo Blue]

again,

I still disagree with your opinion. You act like I'm the one that gets hung up on technicalities , but what do you call this?