Healthcare

[biggunsbob]

Bullshit... Middle men..I should have been clear and said historical.
Hmo's started of 20-30 years ago and guys do is blame Obama when it was the republicans that have gutted the affordable care act or any other legislation that Obama has tried because they can't stand the fact that the American people in a majority hate what the republicans stand for.. Twice Obama blasted republican candidates, and republicans don't understand why?
Well the reason is the Republican party stands for the stagnation, and the status as usual.

If this country had a national system of health care we would be so much better off.. People could change jobs and take there healthcare with them instead of being held hostage by the corporations that enslave theme.. Fact is the American people want to move forward and the obstruction republican want nothing but past posturing.. What do republicans want..
Please tell me what do republicans want... They never want to work with democrats...
Ever...

 

[tinselwolverine]

But...


What do you really think?

 

[Gulo Blue]

If this country had a national system of health care we would be so much better off.

If we had initiated it in the past 5 years we'd be better off right now, but if we had had it for decades I bet we wouldn't. I think the right middle ground is national health care for low-level well established stuff and insurance for the rest. And various plans would differ wildly and that's where the big money and profits would be.

 

[biggunsbob]

If we had initiated it in the past 5 years we'd be better off right now, but if we had had it for decades I bet we wouldn't. I think the right middle ground is national health care for low-level well established stuff and insurance for the rest. And various plans would differ wildly and that's where the big money and profits would be.

I guess this would be something...

 

[Sbee]

If we had initiated it in the past 5 years we'd be better off right now, but if we had had it for decades I bet we wouldn't. I think the right middle ground is national health care for low-level well established stuff and insurance for the rest. And various plans would differ wildly and that's where the big money and profits would be.

Wed be better off with hc being a non profit industry too. The profit motive drives the economy but not everything should be for profit like schools, public transportation, etc, I think hc falls into that category.

Given the current system, we just need more competition to lower costs and improve service. Having 50 separate oligopolies doesn't help the matter

 

[tinselwolverine]

The profit motive drives the economy but not everything should be for profit like schools, public transportation, etc, I think hc falls into that category.

It's a philosophical point, and nobody is either good or evil for their opinion.

Broke dick dirt poor people in the United States have long had access to medical insurance through Medicaid.

The great failure of our medical system has been that people who had savings and assets could be wiped out because of a catastrophic medical condition within the family, most especially if a pre-existing condition disqualified one for private medical insurance.

Historically, 62% of bankruptcies involve a catastrophic medical event; of that percentage, 78% of those involved actually had major medical insurance in place at the time of the event.

I don't see anything in the ACA that is going to rectify that.

 

[jswain]

Wed be better off with hc being a non profit industry too. The profit motive drives the economy but not everything should be for profit like schools, public transportation, etc, I think hc falls into that category.

Given the current system, we just need more competition to lower costs and improve service. Having 50 separate oligopolies doesn't help the matter

Why stop there..lets all make the same money ..what difference should it make that some people strive to achieve an ultimate goal. The guy taking 10 years to reach their goal shouldnt make anymore then a HS dropout or someone going to U of M shouldnt make than a King HS graduate, why should this be limited to the medical

 

[tinselwolverine]

Why stop there..lets all make the same money ..what difference should it make that some people strive to achieve an ultimate goal. The guy taking 10 years to reach their goal shouldnt make anymore then a HS dropout or someone going to U of M shouldnt make than a King HS graduate, why should this be limited to the medical

Or one could make the opposite argument; fuck public transportation and fuck the public schools too. Sell the public roads to private investors (ostensibly arrogant assholes who went to Michigan) who will make a profit charging everybody a toll to use them - or fuck 'em, let 'em spread wings and fly if they don't like it.

And fuck the public schools too - let everybody worry about educating their own kids, or let them run around as vagrants and rob the houses of the industrious (for example, like you) - just fuck it.

And why stop there? Fuck public law enforcement and public safety and the fire department - let everybody just tend to themselves for all that shit.

What am I forgetting?

EDIT:

Oh, yeah, fuck the Army - foreign invasion should be for profit; not national security...not that it's not a grey area there already...

And oh yeah, fuck public sanitation. Let everybody be responsible for their own shit, and keeping their own shit tidy.

And if people don't, what the fuck, right?

 

[turok]

Why stop there..lets all make the same money ..what difference should it make that some people strive to achieve an ultimate goal. The guy taking 10 years to reach their goal shouldnt make anymore then a HS dropout or someone going to U of M shouldnt make than a King HS graduate, why should this be limited to the medical

You're equating healthcare for the uninsured/underinsured to their individual levels of achievement?!?

How many had actually attended college, yet due to advances in automation, technology, as well as outsourcing and offshoring suddenly discovered that their skills, knowledge, education, and training was no longer in demand, or that employers do not want to hire anyone who is over 40?

How many people were born into the family business, or have had more opportunities and financial assistance that permitted them to cakewalk into a lucrative career?

Too bad you reichwingers always think in black and white instead of gray, b/c everyone's situation is unique and the costs to screen who would be deserving and who is not would be astronomically exorbitant. But you people ALWAYS worry about "deadbeats" taking advantage of the system. Nevermind that convicts are given access to health and dental care, while millions of the employed, especially PT/temp/self-employed/contractors are unable to qualify and/or cannot afford to pay high deductibles and co-pays, much less the monthly premiums for coverage.

But hey, its always THEIR fault that they cannot succeed or prosper enough in the working "world" to cover their and/or their families' collective asses, so why not cut off all government assistance, and see if they can survive on prayer, church, charities, friends, and relatives instead. Doesn't everyone know or are related to someone who can help them pay for or receive treatment? If not...well maybe they really don't deserve to live a healthier life, much less a long one.

 

[Sbee]

Why stop there..lets all make the same money ..what difference should it make that some people strive to achieve an ultimate goal. The guy taking 10 years to reach their goal shouldnt make anymore then a HS dropout or someone going to U of M shouldnt make than a King HS graduate, why should this be limited to the medical

Not at all, the profit motive is good overall, we just don't have to apply it to every service possible.

Its kind of like how the male sex drive keeps our species on the planey but we don't have to go out and impregnate every female we see.

 

[Sbee]

You're equating healthcare for the uninsured/underinsured to their individual levels of achievement?!?

How many had actually attended college, yet due to advances in automation, technology, as well as outsourcing and offshoring suddenly discovered that their skills, knowledge, education, and training was no longer in demand, or that employers do not want to hire anyone who is over 40?

How many people were born into the family business, or have had more opportunities and financial assistance that permitted them to cakewalk into a lucrative career?

Too bad you reichwingers always think in black and white instead of gray, b/c everyone's situation is unique and the costs to screen who would be deserving and who is not would be astronomically exorbitant. But you people ALWAYS worry about "deadbeats" taking advantage of the system. Nevermind that convicts are given access to health and dental care, while millions of the employed, especially PT/temp/self-employed/contractors are unable to qualify and/or cannot afford to pay high deductibles and co-pays, much less the monthly premiums for coverage.

But hey, its always THEIR fault that they cannot succeed or prosper enough in the working "world" to cover their and/or their families' collective asses, so why not cut off all government assistance, and see if they can survive on prayer, church, charities, friends, and relatives instead. Doesn't everyone know or are related to someone who can help them pay for or receive treatment? If not...well maybe they really don't deserve to live a healthier life, much less a long one.

As a point, wealth is not bad at all. The ability to accumulate wealth is a great thing and you should enjoy the success and excess that comes from your work and good decision making.

I'm not a class warrior, we just need to allow for social mobility. Make sure the poorer child has access to quality education and low interest loans so he or she can move up and compete for the better job or acceptance to a top law or medical school.

The rich should earn a lot while paying a reasonable tax rate but the clss you're born into shouldnt be a free ride or a handicap.

 

[Sbee]

Good read on the subject

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/o...s-of-failure.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0