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He's addicted to spending

hmm, was that a phrase Obama coined?

I don't think Obama had anything to do with either one.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

...is from the New Testament; Galatians, 6.7, The Letter of Paul to Tarsus.

The Beat Goes On is a Sonny and Cher song; pretty sure Obama had nothing to do with that either.

You lying, cheating welcher.
 
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Jesus was kinda reading through this thread....poor Tsmith, you guys are making him look real bad. He deserves it I guess?
 
Reform entitlements?

Yeah, sure they are, after 30+ years of unfettered global corporate capitalism outsourcing and off-shoring millions upon millions of career-worthy jobs, many with pensions and fringe benefits such as health and dental care. At first it was mostly limited to traditional "blue-collar" employment in industry and manufacturing, however, by the late 90s with the rise and proliferation of broadband internet, then "white-collar" jobs, most that required a college degree if not post-graduate schooling, as well as advanced training, experience and skills, such as in the medical, legal, and tech fields began to be "exported" out of the country as well.

But now, after much of the damage has been done to our formerly robust, manufacturing-based economy, to a largely transitional and vaporous "services-based" economy and the invasions and occupations of not one but two nations, both that were launched w/o a draft, or any tax increases to fund either one, and a huge boomer segment of the population on the verge of retirement the Republicans believe that so-called "socialist" entitlements need to be "reformed" ie..drastically reduced or better still eliminated, and those who might qualify due to age, health, and/or income become subject to a more strict evaluation of their financial/employment situation, which of course would be very expensive to process on a case by case basis. So most likely the GOP would prefer to just "simplify" rejection or approval by some means that would likely be more all-exclusive, rather than all-inclusive, instead of weeding out those who might not qualify for some, most, or all government assistance.

Too bad for conservatives that it could result in some if not many of their own struggling rightwing ilk who might also be cut off from most government support, or out and out rejected as well. But given that rightwingers motto/mantra is that of "personal responsibility" and most tending to be flat-out sociopaths, the fact that their own ilk or even kinfolk might become homeless, starving, destitute, ill, commit crimes to survive, or even eventually deceased and in an early grave as a result, well...that would be very regrettable...but necessary. They would be remembered as being "true" patriots, especially many who might make the ultimate sacrifice for "God and Country".

I have noticed that the GOP are very short-sighted, especially about the dire or much worse, the grave consequences of fucking around with entitlements. Perhaps they know that they cannot deeply slash or eliminate them, and are only telling their rightwing constituents what they want to hear, but they have little if any intention of actually attempting to implement many reforms. They will simply continue to blame Democrats for the explosive growth of those citizens who are or will become partly or entirely dependent upon living off the public dole, at least some through no fault of their own, or when they become of an age (50s) where they are no longer very desirable as employees, due to seniority, receiving so many annual pay increases for longevity, accrued "sick days" and vacation time, and/or the ever-rising cost of providing healthcare insurance coverage b/c it is actually being used by many of them.

If most or all entitlements were sharply reduced or eliminated, many rightwingers must believe that those affected could then survive through charity, family, friends, and prayer by attending church. The fact is that NONE of those alternatives would be sufficient to assist the additional tens of millions who would become affected, especially those who are disabled, infirm, ill, or frail from age. Many would soon be forced to turn to committing crimes like robbery and muggings, and most would eventually be caught, arrested, tried, convicted. and sentenced to jail or prisons, where they would obtain food, water, shelter, and guidance/control, as well as dental/medical care 24/7/365...all on the taxpayers' dime.



wtf???
the bottom line and I'll make this short, is democrats promise a utopia of entitlements starting with FDR, then LBJ and now Obama through taxing, but in no way can they deliver on their promise. First and foremost they want taxes, taxes disguised in goods and services that they know they cant deliver. Current we have ten of trillions of unfunded mandates enacted by them(SS, Medicare) with the largest coming on line. Your rambling of wars, exc., made no sense. Not paid for? Bush's tax cuts increased revenues to the US govt by almost 50% starting in 2003 to 2008. His deficits average around 150-200 B.
Barry likes to blame Bush for his failures but bush didnt have trillion dollar deficits even starting two wars and finishing one before Obama took office.
I suppose its Bush fault we have almost 50 mill on food stamps?
 
wtf???
... Not paid for? Bush's tax cuts increased revenues to the US govt by almost 50% starting in 2003 to 2008. His deficits average around 150-200 B.
Barry likes to blame Bush for his failures but bush didnt have trillion dollar deficits even starting two wars and finishing one before Obama took office.
I suppose its Bush fault we have almost 50 mill on food stamps?

so... if we just cut taxes more, everything will be fine?

what part of cut spending dont you understand??? The whole thread was about spending!!

oh. well, in the post above you said Bush increased tax revenues by just cutting taxes, which paid for the massive increase in pork spending for defense and homeland security we saw during the Bush years.

so I was just following your train of logic to say we'll be fine with Obama's increased spending, as long as he cuts taxes to raise more revenue.
 
oh. well, in the post above you said Bush increased tax revenues by just cutting taxes, which paid for the massive increase in pork spending for defense and homeland security we saw during the Bush years.

so I was just following your train of logic to say we'll be fine with Obama's increased spending, as long as he cuts taxes to raise more revenue.


Obama's spending is out of sight.......$3.7 T.......that's over a trillion dollar hike in 2-3 yrs after Bush
Tax reform would help with revenue and greater employment, not more entitlements/regulations on the backs of business
 
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Obama's spending is out of sight.......$3.7 T.......that's over a trillion dollar hike in 2-3 yrs after Bush
Tax reform would help with revenue and greater employment, not more entitlements/regulations on the backs of business

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I'm not arguing with facts. you change your argument every other post.

the fact remains that there was not a peep out of lying, welching, half-bright republican types like you about spending from 2001-2008... and all of the sudden spending is too high. and entitlements are too high, and you ignore any sort of context, facts, or logic that undermines your position (and there is a lot of it).
 
I'm not arguing with facts. you change your argument every other post.

the fact remains that there was not a peep out of lying, welching, half-bright republican types like you about spending from 2001-2008... and all of the sudden spending is too high. and entitlements are too high, and you ignore any sort of context, facts, or logic that undermines your position (and there is a lot of it).



show me $1T deficits for 4 straight years....show me a deficit more than 1/2 of any of Obama's......this is insane
 
looks like michchamp get smacked too hard.....off he went

I notice you're ignoring all the other threads on this board...

bla bla bla, duh, derrrrr... big money, big money!!! Big Numbers!

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duuh duh, duh, derrr...
 
wtf???
the bottom line and I'll make this short, is democrats promise a utopia of entitlements starting with FDR, then LBJ and now Obama through taxing, but in no way can they deliver on their promise. First and foremost they want taxes, taxes disguised in goods and services that they know they cant deliver. Current we have ten of trillions of unfunded mandates enacted by them(SS, Medicare) with the largest coming on line. Your rambling of wars, exc., made no sense. Not paid for? Bush's tax cuts increased revenues to the US govt by almost 50% starting in 2003 to 2008. His deficits average around 150-200 B.
Barry likes to blame Bush for his failures but bush didnt have trillion dollar deficits even starting two wars and finishing one before Obama took office.
I suppose its Bush fault we have almost 50 mill on food stamps?

There never were any "food stamp" recipients when Republicans have held the Oval Office over the past 30 years?

So when the FDR administration implemented Social Security back in the 40s, he could/should have also forseen the exponential growth of the US population beginning with the postwar baby boom, and much later the massive outsourcing and off-shoring of JOBS beginning in the early 80s when most boomers were entering or had entered their prime earning years, especially in the manufacturing and industrial sectors that once paid wages and benefits that HAD permitted the burgeoning middle class to flourish?

LBJ also saw to it that impoverished Americans had a financial safety-net to fall back on in difficult economic times, and during national recessions, but I am certain that it was meant to be temporary, not for anyone's entire working lifetimes. But back in the 60s, there were few if any companies who were very deeply involved in reducing their "overhead" by shipping their employees' jobs out of the country.

The invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan were never actually "wars" since Congress never officially declared war vs either nation. What they did do was pass the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" (Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002) As far as the invasion of Iraq, that "mission" was "accomplished" before Bush began to serve his second term. However the occupation did not actually start to come to an end until after Obama was elected, and he began to draw-down our troops en-masse who were stationed there, and then sent many of them to Afghanistan.

When rightwingers like you whine about spending, it is not about "all" federal spending, but soley upon what you and those of your ilk consider to be "socialist" spending. Increasing spending on the military and defense is never any problem or an issue, nor is corporate welfare in the form of legislated incentives and federal/state tax breaks. Big Oil, Big Farm, Big Pharma, and Big Banking et. al benefiting from the government largesse is okay, but not for example, an impoverished family with a sole wage earner whose hours are being cut back, so that he or she doesn't qualify for health insurance coverage from his or her employer. They don't deserve to receive a nickle of Medicaid assistance from their state government if most conservatives had their say.. Maybe he or she should work several jobs to pay for their family's medical and dental treatment, b/c holding down 3 jobs each workday (and night) is so "uniquely American"...as Bush had once so eloquently stated.
 
There never were any "food stamp" recipients when Republicans have held the Oval Office over the past 30 years?

So when the FDR administration implemented Social Security back in the 40s, he could/should have also forseen the exponential growth of the US population beginning with the postwar baby boom, and much later the massive outsourcing and off-shoring of JOBS beginning in the early 80s when most boomers were entering or had entered their prime earning years, especially in the manufacturing and industrial sectors that once paid wages and benefits that HAD permitted the burgeoning middle class to flourish?

LBJ also saw to it that impoverished Americans had a financial safety-net to fall back on in difficult economic times, and during national recessions, but I am certain that it was meant to be temporary, not for anyone's entire working lifetimes. But back in the 60s, there were few if any companies who were very deeply involved in reducing their "overhead" by shipping their employees' jobs out of the country.

The invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan were never actually "wars" since Congress never officially declared war vs either nation. What they did do was pass the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" (Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002) As far as the invasion of Iraq, that "mission" was "accomplished" before Bush began to serve his second term. However the occupation did not actually start to come to an end until after Obama was elected, and he began to draw-down our troops en-masse who were stationed there, and then sent many of them to Afghanistan.

When rightwingers like you whine about spending, it is not about "all" federal spending, but soley upon what you and those of your ilk consider to be "socialist" spending. Increasing spending on the military and defense is never any problem or an issue, nor is corporate welfare in the form of legislated incentives and federal/state tax breaks. Big Oil, Big Farm, Big Pharma, and Big Banking et. al benefiting from the government largesse is okay, but not for example, an impoverished family with a sole wage earner whose hours are being cut back, so that he or she doesn't qualify for health insurance coverage from his or her employer. They don't deserve to receive a nickle of Medicaid assistance from their state government if most conservatives had their say.. Maybe he or she should work several jobs to pay for their family's medical and dental treatment, b/c holding down 3 jobs each workday (and night) is so "uniquely American"...as Bush had once so eloquently stated.


1. Obama doubled the food stamp recipients in 4 yrs.

2. starting with Reagan, SS has been tried to be revamped or phased out...Dems block it all the way. They like the tax revenue but know they cant pay what's been promised. Even today they dont want anything changed even though it will be bankrupt shortly.

3. The withdrawal agreement was signed by the Bush administration. Obama did excellerate the withdrawal, now we have supplys and weapons travelling through the country to Syria for Assad.

4. Defense spending is specifically provided for in the constitution.

If Obama would have a pro growth policy rather than a food stamp entiltement one, people would have more jobs, ie, more revenue to the treasury too. The problem is with our society. A great example is the guy who has 9 children by 6 women. To many people having children out of wedlock, particularly in the black community(percentage), but its certainly not limited to just them. Its there actions, rather than govt's that put them into a tough spot. The dems make them victims, like they have done nothing wrong. The morals of our society is whats bringing us down and it will continue. I'm not a Ron Paul supporter but I do agree on his view of our fiscal mess. I'm not a supporter of massive corporate welfare. Republicans believe in a safety net but it must be limited. 2 years of unemployment checks, unlimited assistance brings on more and more.
Obama wants dependents, there's no doubt about it.
I dont want to spin this conversation into religion but with what has been happening in the world over the last 70 yrs there is no doubt in my mind the second coming isnt too far away. Its be escalated in the last decade and in particular the last few years.
 
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Reagan hiked up taxes 11 times... Welcher.. When are you going to blame the real starter of this debacle... Idiot Bush and his two wars that Obama has to clean up.. You can say all you want but when the tan man caves in , and he will cave in taxes are going to raise on the top 1 or 2 percent and in the next few years you will see job growth unprecedented since oh wait... THE BILL CLINTON YEARS....

STOP YOUR RACISM MR SMITH!!!!!!!! You are nothing but a bet welcher and a twister of words.. Go hang out with your buddies at Walmart who want all workers to work for peanuts and still have to do a gig of upper management as they get their weak A$$ pay check.. Fuck you and your kind... Pay your bet you piece of crap...


TSMITH>>>>>>>>BET WELCHER!!!!!!
 
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