How the Mueller Investigation Could Play Out for Trump

[tigermud]

Bought a bunch of snake oil from gay frog today suspect it might be the last time before they get shut down and hauled off to the poke

 

[Gulo Blue]

House intel committees have supppiled ample clear evendance yes. But yes that might be it, can?t get anybody to do anything about it, and those fisa docs never got released :-( it?s all rather disappointing

How is that possible? How can there be nobody to do it?

 

[tigermud]

How is that possible? How can there be nobody to do it?

I don’t know what trump is waiting for. It’s rediclous, my recommendation to him would be less Twitter more action

 

[sggatecl]

I don’t know what trump is waiting for. It’s rediclous, my recommendation to him would be less Twitter more action

That would require actual fucking work.

 

[tigermud]

Trump demands stiff prison sentence for his ex-lawyer Michael Cohen, accuses Mueller of seeking 'lies' from witnesses

• President Donald Trump on Monday called for his ex-personal lawyer Michael Cohen to receive a stiff prison sentence for his admitted crimes.
• Trump accused Cohen of making up "stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself."
• Trump also accused special counsel Robert Mueller of seeking "lies" from witnesses about Trump, and praised his longtime associate Roger Stone as having the "guts" to withstand pressure from Mueller's prosecutors to "make up stories" about the president.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/03/tru...el-cohen-and-mueller-praises-roger-stone.html

 

[tigermud]

It appears that special counsel Robert Mueller withheld key information in its plea deal with Trump's former attorney, Michael Cohen, which would exonerate Trump and undermine the entire purpose of the special counsel, according to Paul Sperry of RealClearInvestigations.

Cohen pleaded guilty last week to lying to the Senate intelligence committee in 2017 about the Trump Organization's plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow - telling them under oath that negotiations he was conducting ended five months sooner than they actually did.

Mueller, however, in his nine-page charging document filed with the court seen by Capitol Hill sources, failed to include the fact that Cohen had no direct contacts at the Kremlin - which undercuts any notion that the Trump campaign had a "backchannel" to Putin.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...d-exonerate-president-over-trump-tower-moscow

 

[Gulo Blue]

It appears that special counsel Robert Mueller withheld key information in its plea deal with Trump's former attorney, Michael Cohen, which would exonerate Trump and undermine the entire purpose of the special counsel, according to Paul Sperry of RealClearInvestigations.

Cohen pleaded guilty last week to lying to the Senate intelligence committee in 2017 about the Trump Organization's plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow - telling them under oath that negotiations he was conducting ended five months sooner than they actually did.

Mueller, however, in his nine-page charging document filed with the court seen by Capitol Hill sources, failed to include the fact that Cohen had no direct contacts at the Kremlin - which undercuts any notion that the Trump campaign had a "backchannel" to Putin.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...d-exonerate-president-over-trump-tower-moscow

I haven't seen this story, but it makes no sense as you've described it. Just like you can't prove a negative; you also don't have an obligation to disclose a negative. Presenting evidence that exists will leave out all sorts of negatives that a person could think up. It's not an investigator's job to present all the things they can think of for which they do not have evidence.

 

[tigermud]

I haven't seen this story, but it makes no sense as you've described it. Just like you can't prove a negative; you also don't have an obligation to disclose a negative. Presenting evidence that exists will leave out all sorts of negatives that a person could think up. It's not an investigator's job to present all the things they can think of for which they do not have evidence.

I thought this one was just a stupid as well, quality of what passes for journalism these days is rather lacking.

https://www.axios.com/mueller-inves...ngs-2511dd33-1928-4431-a9bb-09488ee216ef.html

 

[Gulo Blue]

Trump has done a great job branding the Russian interference probe as a 'collusion' probe. But it's a probe into Russian interference that has been shown to be important, because the Russians did interfere. At this point, I'd rank (based on my own guessing) the issues as #1 Russian interference, #2 Financial crimes, #3 obstruction of justice, #4 (if it's even on the plate) collusion. A few months ago, I would have ranked Obstruction #2.

Does anyone remember that this was initially an investigation into Russian interference (and not necessarily about collusion)? Today, I would re-rank my expectations of what might shake out of the investigation like this: #1a financial crimes, #1b obstruction of justice.......................................... ................................................#3 Russian interference, #4 collusion.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/4/18126388/mueller-michael-flynn-sentencing-memo-read

 

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/4/18126388/mueller-michael-flynn-sentencing-memo-read

Mueller advises that Flynn be given no jail time on account of his substantial assistance to the government. The addendum is significantly redacted. It appears to describe two or three investigations and one of them involves links between Russia and Trump's campaign (probably collusion.)

 

[tigermud]

Mueller advises that Flynn be given no jail time on account of his substantial assistance to the government. The addendum is significantly redacted. It appears to describe two or three investigations and one of them involves links between Russia and Trump's campaign (probably collusion.)

Highly doubt it but we shall see eventually, hard to say with so much redacted from what little isn’t redacted this looks like all stuff that would have occurred during transition..after the election, Anyway...it’s a damn shame what they did to Flynn IMO, trump should have stood by him.

 

[sggatecl]

I wonder if he thinks 'Individual 1' is Obama?

 

[JScottWriter]

I wonder if he thinks 'Individual 1' is Obama?

Yeah, he isn't the smartest guy out there.

 

[turok]

I wonder if he thinks 'Individual 1' is Obama?

Thanks for clearing President Trump!!

--David Dennison and John Barron.

 

[turok]

So who really is #Individual 1?

Somebody?

Anybody??

Bueller???

 

[sggatecl]

So who really is #Individual 1?

Somebody?

Anybody??

Bueller???

In January 2017, Cohen formally left the Company and began holding himself out as the “personal attorney” to Individual-1, who at that point had become the President of the United States.

It has to be Barry.

But maybe George W? He was looking awful chummy with Michelle at his Dad's funeral.

It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK?

 

[turok]

It has to be Barry.

But maybe George W? He was looking awful chummy with Michelle at his Dad's funeral.

It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK?

Maybe he was audited by a Scientologist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_(Scientology)

 

[tigermud]

I still don’t see how his payments to stromy and the other would be campaign ficance violations if they weren’t paid with campaign monies and or wouldn’t be surprised if he has a long history of that. Sure they can charge him with it but I think it’s a stretch and they’ll have a hard time making the case. I guess that really doesn’t matter though cuz the dems will take over the house in Jan and they move forward with impeachment. It’ll never get past the senate but that’s not the point. eventually you’ll end up seeing trump fight back with a second special prosecutor to try and make it all fair and balanced and on and on it goes. This is the state we find ourselves in now, everybody loses in the end

 

[sggatecl]

I still don?t see how his payments to stromy and the other would be campaign ficance violations if they weren?t paid with campaign monies

Well, that's the $130,000 IF. Allegedly, Cohen used his own money initially but then after the election requested reimbursement and was granted from campaign money. We'll find out soon.