How the Mueller Investigation Could Play Out for Trump

[TheVictors]

I think both Poopadoopalus and Corsi are more afraid of Russian Mobsters than they are of prison.

 

[sggatecl]

I think both Poopadoopalus and Corsi are more afraid of Russian Mobsters than they are of prison.

Corsi is at the top of the list to be pardoned I'm betting. He's definitely not afraid of prison.

 

[TheVictors]

now Trump is lying about Cohen lying in a plea deal. this guy is such an assclown

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't even remember what's known about the Trump Tower Moscow deal that never happened.

 

[Gulo Blue]

There's a Reddit poster I've noticed before that puts together very well cited summaries that ties new news to old articles in a lot of the bigger Trump threads. Rather than re-write my own summary of his summary, here's a link:



https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/c...michael_cohen_pleads_guilty_to_lying/eapvhdf/

 

[TheVictors]

I don't even remember what's known about the Trump Tower Moscow deal that never happened.

anything coming from Trump himself is a lie. that is the basis for considering any of the information on any of the related stories/investigations.

 

[tomdalton22]

anything coming from Trump himself is a lie. that is the basis for considering any of the information on any of the related stories/investigations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

 

[sggatecl]

There's a Reddit poster I've noticed before that puts together very well cited summaries that ties new news to old articles in a lot of the bigger Trump threads. Rather than re-write my own summary of his summary, here's a link:



https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/c...michael_cohen_pleads_guilty_to_lying/eapvhdf/

That's pretty impressive. Not a fan of some of his source articles but to each their own.

Only glaring thing I see, and this guy isn't the first to do it, is to blend together Trump saying he has never dealt with Russia (which to me implies government) and Russians (which to me implies business). As far as I'm aware, he's never denied business dealings, but more so dealings with government. I look forward to The Mueller's final report.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Not a fan of some of his source articles but to each their own.

This is a good point. It's nice that the sources are easy to check, but they should be checked.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Only glaring thing I see, and this guy isn't the first to do it, is to blend together Trump saying he has never dealt with Russia (which to me implies government) and Russians (which to me implies business).

There's gray area there. My impression is that once you reach a certain level of wealth in Russia, there's a fair chance Putin has some leverage on you.

 

[sggatecl]

There's gray area there. My impression is that once you reach a certain level of wealth in Russia, there's a fair chance Putin has some leverage on you.

That's a good point as well. I'm sure at some point they become one and the same.

 

[TheVictors]

In order to business in Russia, you have to bribe whomever you are told to bribe and all those folks pay up to Putin and the Mob. The biggest issue with investing in Russia - by far - is lack of transparency, government corruption and lack of regulatory oversight. Their economy is incredibly reliant upon natural assets like oil and nat gas so they leverage that supply globally. No doubt whatsoever that the Trump business dealings in Russia involved Putin, oligarchs, Mobsters (redundant, I know), money laundering and kompromat over Trump in order to secure his loyalty (blackmail).

 

[tinselwolverine]

In order to business in Russia, you have to bribe whomever you are told to bribe and all those folks pay up to Putin and the Mob. The biggest issue with investing in Russia - by far - is lack of transparency, government corruption and lack of regulatory oversight. Their economy is incredibly reliant upon natural assets like oil and nat gas so they leverage that supply globally. No doubt whatsoever that the Trump business dealings in Russia involved Putin, oligarchs, Mobsters (redundant, I know), money laundering and kompromat over Trump in order to secure his loyalty (blackmail).

Oh.

What if I just want to invest in rubles for dollars on the forex?

Can I just do that without the whole other rigamarole?

 

[sggatecl]

I think I'm most interested that all of these shoes started dropping right after Trump submitted his written responses to The Mueller's questionnaire. Could mean nothing or it could mean he just played Trump.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Here are the charges: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...35a97bf207df8b09f70/optimized/full.pdf#page=1


It's involves communicating with Putin's secretary.

COHEN did recall that in or around January 2016, COHEN received a response from the office of Russian Official 1, the Press Secretary for the President of Russia, and spoke to a member of that office about the Moscow Project.

The day after COHEN?s call with Assistant 1, Individual 2 contacted him, asking for a call. Individual 2 wrote to COHEN, ?It?s about [the President of Russia] they called today.?

 

[TheVictors]

Oh.

What if I just want to invest in rubles for dollars on the forex?

Can I just do that without the whole other rigamarole?

So long as you trust that they won't manipulate their currency like China does

 

[TheVictors]

I think I'm most interested that all of these shoes started dropping right after Trump submitted his written responses to The Mueller's questionnaire. Could mean nothing or it could mean he just played Trump.

I suspect it's more along these lines ...I think Mueller knows everything. Fox News has backed away from Trump ...other party GOP'ers are doing the same. Giuliani has been effectively gagged and every Trump associate who has plead anything is now being smeared by Trump as a liar, nobody, untrustworthy ....it's all rather shameful for the President of the United States.

 

[tigermud]

Cohen's Account Of Russia Talks Raises Questions About Trump Jr. 2017 Testimony

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/30/6721...nflicts-with-cohen-s-account-of-russian-talks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/muellers-russia-investigation-picks-steam-trumps-tweets-212127974.html

IMO things will start moving quickly now.

I've also noticed Stone seems to be getting a little more antsy on his IW segments last couple of days as well. I don't know where this is all going to end up but I do still sure wish they'd at least apply it all equally to both sides of the coin, this whole Muller thing has been way too one sided and it's not right.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The whole Mueller should go after both side thing is weird. Of course, we want the law applied fairly to all parties, but how does that apply to a specific investigation? Did the Watergate investigation try to find equal wrongdoing on the part of Democrats, or did anyone ask Ken Star to try to find an equal amount of wrongdoing by Republicans? Or is the argument that there's clear evidence of wrongdoing on the other side and the Republicans just can't get anyone to investigate it?

 

[tigermud]

The whole Mueller should go after both side thing is weird. Of course, we want the law applied fairly to all parties, but how does that apply to a specific investigation? Did the Watergate investigation try to find equal wrongdoing on the part of Democrats, or did anyone ask Ken Star to try to find an equal amount of wrongdoing by Republicans? Or is the argument that there's clear evidence of wrongdoing on the other side and the Republicans just can't get anyone to investigate it?

House intel committees have supppiled ample clear evendance yes. But yes that might be it, can’t get anybody to do anything about it, and those fisa docs never got released :-( it’s all rather disappointing