How the Mueller Investigation Could Play Out for Trump

[Gulo Blue]

has anyone plead guilty to a charge related to Russian interference? Or anything involving Trump? Other than the questionable campaign finance plea by Cohen, aren't all the charges from things unrelated to Trump and his campaign? Manafort, for example, aren't his charges all related to shady things he did as a lobbyist before he was working for Trump's campaign? And all the indicted Russians - have any of them been tied to Trump or his campaign?

Some of the charges were for lying about contact with Russians. But I don't think that's the real risk here. It's the broad authority of the special council to cover other stuff like obstruction of justice or financial crimes.

 

[tigermud]

Papadopoulos got 14 days and is now going to be speaking out he’s got a few things to say

 

[sggatecl]

Papadopoulos got 14 days and is now going to be speaking out he?s got a few things to say

But I thought he was just a guy that ran for coffee? What could he possibly have to say?

 

[tigermud]

There appear to be a few dems and former admin officials speaking out against this fisa declassify..same ol tired sources and methods playcall, hogwash. Hope trump is successfull in getting this truth out

 

[Spartanmack]

But I thought he was just a guy that ran for coffee? What could he possibly have to say?

he could have a lot to say about the investigation. I'm not saying he does - I have no idea, but the guys been through the ringer regardless of how much responsibility he did or didn't have, he could definitely have a story to tell.

 

[Spartanmack]

Some of the charges were for lying about contact with Russians. But I don't think that's the real risk here. It's the broad authority of the special council to cover other stuff like obstruction of justice or financial crimes.

right, and I have no problem with people getting investigated for tangential or unrelated crimes that come up during the investigation. My point is, most of the crimes so far have been from activities unrelated to the person in question's duties while working for the campaign - for example, weren't all of Manafort's charges from activities he engaged in before he ever worked for Trump?

 

[Gulo Blue]

right, and I have no problem with people getting investigated for tangential or unrelated crimes that come up during the investigation. My point is, most of the crimes so far have been from activities unrelated to the person in question's duties while working for the campaign - for example, weren't all of Manafort's charges from activities he engaged in before he ever worked for Trump?

Manafort specifically was part of the campaign for a short period and there are more details than I can remember (like Manafort writing an op-ed with some Russian while out on bail) but I don't think there's a clear smoking gun where he did something in the period he was working for the campaign. If there was, I don't think it would get buried in all the noise.


But I think Manafort and Trump go way back, so as I keep saying, if anything out of all this impacts Trump, I wouldn't expect it to be the Russian collusion accusation and the meeting in Trump tower.

 

[Spartanmack]

Manafort specifically was part of the campaign for a short period and there are more details than I can remember (like Manafort writing an op-ed with some Russian while out on bail) but I don't think there's a clear smoking gun where he did something in the period he was working for the campaign. If there was, I don't think it would get buried in all the noise.


But I think Manafort and Trump go way back, so as I keep saying, if anything out of all this impacts Trump, I wouldn't expect it to be the Russian collusion accusation and the meeting in Trump tower.

I'd be surprised if anything comes of it either way. I think Trump's pre-political tentacles reach deep into the political realm. If they find something, there's probably a very good chance it involves some shady politicians as well. I'd be happy if Mueller would pursue it and take everyone down, but I'd be shocked if that was the case.

I think there's nothing to the Russia story and if they find something else as a result of the investigations, I bet whatever it is never sees the light of day and we'll never know for sure. Unless of course, Cory "I am Spartacus" Booker gets his hands on some documents.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'd be surprised if anything comes of it either way. I think Trump's pre-political tentacles reach deep into the political realm. If they find something, there's probably a very good chance it involves some shady politicians as well. I'd be happy if Mueller would pursue it and take everyone down, but I'd be shocked if that was the case.

I think there's nothing to the Russia story and if they find something else as a result of the investigations, I bet whatever it is never sees the light of day and we'll never know for sure. Unless of course, Cory "I am Spartacus" Booker gets his hands on some documents.

Yeah. Seems like people forget that Trump had ties to plenty of Democrats through the years. I'd love for this to drain gobs of swamp, but I'm not betting on it.

 

[tigermud]

I'd like to see it all drained on both sides fair and balanced is all I ask. Muller is only interested in one side of the corruption and that is not right. Carry on expose it all, please.

https://www.projectveritas.com/2018...ists-from-inside-cant-get-fired-leaks-at-hhs/

 

[tigermud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bhZf2M1YYA#action=share

 

[Gulo Blue]

Andrew McCabe's notes say Rod Rosenstein suggested wearing microphones to build a 25th Amendment case to remove Trump.

https://abcn.ws/2QPNxyn

Seems like the kind of thing Trump might want to boot him over.


edit: more detail here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-wear-wire-25th-amendment.html
Rosenstein says "The New York Times’s story is inaccurate and factually incorrect,” he said in a statement. “I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment."


To me, the wording of this denial leaves a lot of room for the main elements to be true.


However, there's also this

A Justice Department spokeswoman also provided a statement from a person who was present when Mr. Rosenstein proposed wearing a wire. The person, who would not be named, acknowledged the remark but said Mr. Rosenstein made it sarcastically.

 

[sggatecl]

Seems like the kind of thing Trump might want to boot him over.

My inner tigermud wonders if this could be something that Trump's own team would leak out to set the stage to fire him in the near future.

Considering how the White House has continuously showed an inability to keep information from leaking, it's surprising that something like this would stay under wraps for this long.

 

[Gulo Blue]

My inner tigermud wonders if this could be something that Trump's own team would leak out to set the stage to fire him in the near future.

Considering how the White House has continuously showed an inability to keep information from leaking, it's surprising that something like this would stay under wraps for this long.

Yeah. That's a real popular idea on reddit. There's a moveon.org site that has 400,000 people claiming they will attend one of 900 rallies nationwide if Mueller or Rosenstein is fired, but we'll see if any of that materializes. I'm skeptical of this kind of online stuff. Seems like 10x as many people will sign something than actually do something.


https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/


Comey said yesterday he thinks the Mueller investigation is in the 4th quarter.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Trump should do it Saturday. Fire him, bring in the next guy, tell him to fire Mueller, if he won't, fire him...bring in the next guy...



Nice homage to Nixon if he does it Saturday.

 

[tigermud]

My inner tigermud wonders if this could be something that Trump's own team would leak out to set the stage to fire him in the near future.

Considering how the White House has continuously showed an inability to keep information from leaking, it's surprising that something like this would stay under wraps for this long.

Muller seems to have no interest in the real collusion. Criminals!

EXCLUSIVE: ROSENSTEIN IS PLOTTING DEEP STATE COUP AGAINST TRUMP VIA 25TH AMENDMENT
Sources confirm Rosenstein part of a group of leakers undermining 45 & plotting to overturn 2016 election

https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-...-state-coup-against-trump-via-25th-amendment/

 

[tigermud]

https://www.oann.com/oan-exclusive-...ion-thorough-but-fails-to-find-any-collusion/


OAN EXCLUSIVE: Robert Mueller investigation thorough, but fails to find any collusion

 

[Gulo Blue]

Muller seems to have no interest in the real collusion. Criminals!

EXCLUSIVE: ROSENSTEIN IS PLOTTING DEEP STATE COUP AGAINST TRUMP VIA 25TH AMENDMENT
Sources confirm Rosenstein part of a group of leakers undermining 45 & plotting to overturn 2016 election

https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-...-state-coup-against-trump-via-25th-amendment/

The 25th Amendment talk came and went a while ago. I don't think it had anything to do with Mueller, just some unnamed staffers talking about it. Or maybe they were named and fired, I don't know.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michae...unsel-required-investigate-clinton-foundation


After the first special counsel is completed there will be another one to take it's place to investigate the other side of the story. IMO. This first one found nothing but process crimes and ruined some good people. Flynn, Corsi, Stone etc and there is still speculation Don Jr may be caught up in a process crime as well..we should all welcome equal justice under the law right.

 

[JScottWriter]

How do you know they didn't find anything? Because some off the wall media company wrote a report on it? Good people that happen to lie to investigators to cover up wrong doing.