How the Mueller Investigation Could Play Out for Trump

[Spartanmack]

I fully expect it to continue longer. Just like many special investigations before it. Which is my point, this is not extraordinary or unheard of.

not yet but it's going to get worse - I expect investigations or at least proposed investigations at a rate of at least 1 every other tweet.

 

[sggatecl]

not yet but it's going to get worse - I expect investigations or at least proposed investigations at a rate of at least 1 every other tweet.

Well fortunately we don't really have a working government right now so it shouldn't be too much of a distraction.

I'm wondering if this 'Build My Legacy Wall' government shutdown is just a 4D chess move to cut off funding to The Mueller's investigation. How's that for some tigermud conspiracy theory?

 

[Spartanmack]

Well fortunately we don't really have a working government right now so it shouldn't be too much of a distraction.

I'm wondering if this 'Build My Legacy Wall' government shutdown is just a 4D chess move to cut off funding to The Mueller's investigation. How's that for some tigermud conspiracy theory?

for now, all is well. Looking forward though, whenever the shutdown ends the balance of the next 2 years or so are going to be a joke.

I personally think the Mueller investigation is going to turn out to be much ado about nothing. Of course the media and some here will point to it and say "x number of indictments, blah, blah, blah" but unless I'm wrong, none of it will be for anything related to Trump or it will be immaterial nonsense like the hush money cum campaign finance crap spun to look like a big deal.

That's my conspiracy theory - there are enough power players on both sides that don't like Trump so they'll discredit him with stuff they normally let slide with others.

 

[tigermud]

Well fortunately we don't really have a working government right now so it shouldn't be too much of a distraction.

I'm wondering if this 'Build My Legacy Wall' government shutdown is just a 4D chess move to cut off funding to The Mueller's investigation. How's that for some tigermud conspiracy theory?

I had that thought as well but then later heard Muellers team isn't part of the 25% shutdown.

Seems Trump however is now going to pull an end around on the dems and declare a national emergency tomorrow night and get this ball rolling.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/bre...tion-on-tuesday-night-but-networks-reluctant/

 

[tomdalton22]

Now it's a humanitarian and security issue??

 

[Gulo Blue]

Mueller's team failed to redact a detail about Manafort sharing polling info with Konstantin Kilimnik, allegedly a former GRU guy. That might be the new high water mark for collusion.



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...nstantin-kilimnik_us_5c337efce4b09b02cb328230


edit: it was Manafort's lawyers that screwed up, not Mueller's team.

 

[Spartanmack]

Mueller's team failed to redact a detail about Manafort sharing polling info with Konstantin Kilimnik, allegedly a former GRU guy. That might be the new high water mark for collusion.



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...nstantin-kilimnik_us_5c337efce4b09b02cb328230

which Gru guy, Kevin, Bob or Stuart?

Seriously though, what's GRU - I didn't see it in the article you posted.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Seriously though, what's GRU - I didn't see it in the article you posted.

I might be oversimplifying, but my understanding is the KGB is to the FBI as the GRU is to the CIA. GRU is the part of Russian intelligence focused on entities external to Russia.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I should add, he denies being with the GRU. He just trained at the same school as GRU people and the people that worked with him described him as the guy from the GRU. Whatever Mueller thinks ties him to Russian intelligence might be out there, but I don't know what it is.

“The Federal Bureau of Investigation special agents assisting the Special Counsel’s Office assess that Person A has ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016,” the filing said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/world/europe/robert-mueller-kilimnik-ukraine-russia-manafort.html

 

[JScottWriter]

Mueller's team failed to redact a detail about Manafort sharing polling info with Konstantin Kilimnik, allegedly a former GRU guy. That might be the new high water mark for collusion.



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...nstantin-kilimnik_us_5c337efce4b09b02cb328230

Wait isn't this totally normal for a presidential campaign manager to do? I am waiting for all the crazy whataboutism that is about to hit.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It's not outside of what I'm willing to consider as possible that the entire shutdown and escalation of the wall issue is to distract from anticipated movement in this investigation.

 

[tigermud]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...eeing-russia-probe-set-to-leave-idUSKCN1P31AI

 

[tinselwolverine]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...eeing-russia-probe-set-to-leave-idUSKCN1P31AI

Rod Rosenstein is stepping down.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Rod Rosenstein is stepping down.

That would have been a much bigger deal a few months ago.

 

[Spartanmack]

I might be oversimplifying, but my understanding is the KGB is to the FBI as the GRU is to the CIA. GRU is the part of Russian intelligence focused on entities external to Russia.

Got it. I figured as much and then binged it (I was at work, no google) but thought this might be the only chance for a minions reference in the thread.

 

[Spartanmack]

Wait isn't this totally normal for a presidential campaign manager to do? I am waiting for all the crazy whataboutism that is about to hit.

I'm not aware of any whatabouts that fit, but I do wonder what poll data was shared and how material that is. Does poll data compromise national security? Is it anything more than a violation of privacy? What's the consequence of sharing the data? Unless I missed something, last I read the Russian interference in the election amounted to a few thousand FB ads that almost nobody saw.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm not aware of any whatabouts that fit, but I do wonder what poll data was shared and how material that is. Does poll data compromise national security? Is it anything more than a violation of privacy? What's the consequence of sharing the data? Unless I missed something, last I read the Russian interference in the election amounted to a few thousand FB ads that almost nobody saw.

I think it's a question of whether a candidate accepted anything of value from a foreign entity. Was there a campaign contribution of value and did the candidate accept it? This bit of news, where they helped a foreign entity by providing them with data supports the argument that they were accepting the help. They took action to make it happen. They actively collaborated.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think it's a question of whether a candidate accepted anything of value from a foreign entity. Was there a campaign contribution of value and did the candidate accept it? This bit of news, where they helped a foreign entity by providing them with data supports the argument that they were accepting the help. They took action to make it happen. They actively collaborated.

collaborated on what? has this guy been linked to the "Russian interference?"

I have yet to see anything that indicates this is anything more than a giant smoke show to distract from the real problem, which so far remains to be the content of the emails the Russians or whoever hacked from the DNC.

The media and anti-Trump politicians are so desperate to convict him in at least the court of public opinion based on scant evidence. They're trying to convince the public that they need to care more about the source of the hacked emails or some non-interference they can't link to Trump with any real proof than they should about the actual content and the corruption w/in the DNC. If it ends up that there is no substantial evidence linking the campaign to Russia's interference (that had 0 impact on the election), and so far there isn't anything close to real proof, it won't matter because it's working - people don't care about the real scandal, Trump is the problem because as my good friend often tells me "Spartanmack, human beings are so fucking stupid."

 

[Gulo Blue]

collaborated on what? has this guy been linked to the "Russian interference?"

I have yet to see anything that indicates this is anything more than a giant smoke show to distract from the real problem, which so far remains to be the content of the emails the Russians or whoever hacked from the DNC.

The media and anti-Trump politicians are so desperate to convict him in at least the court of public opinion based on scant evidence. They're trying to convince the public that they need to care more about the source of the hacked emails or some non-interference they can't link to Trump with any real proof than about the actual content and the corruption w/in the DNC. If it ends up that there is no substantial evidence linking the campaign to Russia's interference (that had 0 impact on the election), and so far there isn't anything close to real proof, it won't matter because it's working - people don't care about the real scandal, Trump is the problem because as my good friend often tells me "Spartanmack, human beings are so fucking stupid."

We don't know much of what there is. We're mostly guessing. I've been guessing the main threat to Trump isn't collusion for about as long as this thread has been running. But this sliver of unintentionally leaked info points towards collusion. It's not an entire case, it's 1 leaked bit of information in a direction that I didn't think was the most likely direction for this investigation to be heading.


I still not convinced that collusion is the main thrust of the investigation, but this is significant. Would you have brushed it aside as readily if Obama's campaign manager was sharing poll data with a Russian?

 

[tigermud]

Trump disappoints me, he keeps allowing the dems and deep state to tell him they aren't out for his total destruction. he's wrong and he should stop believing them.