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How the Mueller Investigation Could Play Out for Trump

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Connection with Roger Stone

Roger Stone, the long-time informal advisor to Donald Trump has close connections to the Proud Boys. According to University of Nevada researcher Samantha Kutner, during Gavin McInnes' time as head of the group, Stone was "one of only three approved media figures allowed to speak" about the group. A photo of Stone, Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson and two Proud Boys in the Fox News greenroom was posted by Stone on Instagram in May 2018.
In February 2018, the Proud Boys posted a video on Facebook which they described as Stone undergoing a "low-level initiation" into the group. As part of the initiation, Stone says "Hi, I?m Roger Stone. I?m a Western chauvinist. I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world," making him a "first degree" member, which Kutner characterizes as being a "sympathizer". Stone denies being a member of the group.
Stone has used members of the Proud Boys as his personal bodyguards. In March 2018, when Stone attended the Republican Dorchester Conference near Salem, Oregon, he was concerned about his safety and used members of the Proud Boys to be his private security; Stone was photographed with the Proud Boys members. In September 2018, Stone was escorted to and from the right-wing Mother of All Rallies by Proud Boys. Stone says that the Proud Boys are "volunteers" and are necessary due to the number of death threats he has received.
In late January 2019, when Stone was arrested by the FBI on seven criminal counts in connection with the Mueller investigation, Enrique Tarrio, the chairman of the Proud Boys, was there to meet Stone was he left the courthouse in Florida. Tarrio, who wore a "Roger Stone Did Nothing Wrong" t-shirt ? sold by a company owned by Tarrio ? told a local TV reporter that the indictment was nothing but "trumped up charges", and was later seen visiting Stone's house. The next day, in Washington D.C., a small number of Proud Boys demonstrated outside the courthouse where Stone pled "Not guilty" to the charges, carrying "Roger Stone did nothing wrong" signs, and others that promoted the InfoWars conspiracy website. The Proud Boys got into an argument with anti-Stone hecklers[86][4][87]
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Gulo Blue said:
I found the following bits on wikipedia:



McInnes has said "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough."


The Proud Boys say they have an initiation process that has four stages and includes hazing. The first stage is a loyalty oath, on the order of "I?m a proud Western chauvinist, I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world"; the second is getting punched until the person recites pop culture trivia, such as the names of five breakfast cereals; the third is getting a tattoo and agreeing to not masturbate; and the fourth is getting into a major fight "for the cause."
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I was skeptical about the Wikipedia entry; certainly the proud boys don?t describe them selves this way.

Here is from The Hill; the Proud Boys describe themselves as standing for things very differently than how the Wikipedia entry portrays them.
 
tinselwolverine said:
I was skeptical about the Wikipedia entry; certainly the proud boys don?t describe them selves this way.
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I think they try to posture as aggressively as is legal and the group probably includes members that are less careful with distinctions. They specify that the 4th degree should be an act of self defense and members shouldn't go looking for trouble.

https://officialproudboys.com/columns/some-clarification-on-the-4th-degree/
I guess the proof is in the pudding. Have there been many incidents?
 
The dude rolls with a sword!
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-young-men-of-color-are-joining-white-supremacist-groups
The Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer, which overlap, embrace an America-first nationalism that is less pro-white than it is anti-Muslim, anti-illegal immigrant, and anti-Black Lives Matter. ?Proud Boys is multi-racial fraternity with thousands of members worldwide,? a lawyer for the group?s leader, Gavin McInnis, said in a statement. ?The only requirements for membership are that a person must be biologically male and believe that the West is the best.?
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Anyways I only heard of the proud boys yesterday or the day before and I would imagine I’m not going to be paying much attention to them going forward.
 
Gulo Blue said:
Is the main 'thing' of the Proud Boys that they want to punch leftists?
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that wouldn't make them any different from any normal person. I mean, who wouldn't want to punch those idiots? You want to, you just don't do it, except in self defense of course.
 
tinselwolverine said:
I was skeptical about the Wikipedia entry; certainly the proud boys don’t describe them selves this way.

Here is from The Hill; the Proud Boys describe themselves as standing for things very differently than how the Wikipedia entry portrays them.
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I'm guessing they probably describe themselves a lot differently than the way the SPLC portrays them too.
 
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Gulo Blue said:
I think they try to posture as aggressively as is legal and the group probably includes members that are less careful with distinctions. They specify that the 4th degree should be an act of self defense and members shouldn't go looking for trouble.

https://officialproudboys.com/columns/some-clarification-on-the-4th-degree/
I guess the proof is in the pudding. Have there been many incidents?
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last night I went to youtube and searched for "proud boys" and there's a number videos of them "clashing" w/ Antifa punks. I didn't watch many and I don't know the back story (did they show up at antifa rallies or vice versa). I put clashing in quotes because there's not much actual violence - it's mostly antifa bullying people, probably at trump rallies or something then running away when these guys show up and they no longer have a 10:1 advantage. I lost interest after a couple videos, because nothing much happens, certainly not much real violence. One thing I did notice was they weren't smashing windows or damaging other property like the good people of antifa.
 
Spartanmack said:
that wouldn't make them any different from any normal person. I mean, who wouldn't want to punch those idiots? You want to, you just don't do it, except in self defense of course.
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hahaha, the proud boys had a rally in NYC a couple months ago.

people protested it, and fights broke out. Why didn't you go, tough guy?
 
Gulo Blue said:
The dude rolls with a sword!
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I blame Hollywood, Tarantino in particular. Despite featuring Uma Thurman, Kill Bill really, really sucked but people still watched it and look what's happened - Tarantino should get the Alex Jones treatment for what he's done to Gavin McInnes.
 
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Spartanmack said:
I'm guessing they probably describe themselves a lot differently than the way the SPLC portrays them too.
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Wikipedia entries aren?t necessarily written by legitimate and objective historians and sociologists. They can also be written by people with an agenda.

Wikipedia directly called Proud Boys as far right neo-fascists.

The Wikipedia entrance for Southern poverty Law Center seemed much more objective; it outlined their stated founding objectives, some of their history, and did note that they have been subject to criticism for overreaching and making unwarranted accusations.

This from of all places The Washington Post expands on those claims.
 
Spartanmack said:
I blame Hollywood, Tarantino in particular. Despite featuring Uma Thurman, Kill Bill really, really sucked but people still watched it and look what's happened - Tarantino should get the Alex Jones treatment for what he's done to Gavin McInnes.
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Are you talking about the movie where Tarantino insisted Thurman do a dangerous stunt even though it was a shot of the back of her hear and stunt drivers were available and the accident that resulted screwed up her neck and knees and gave her a concussion?


They might have already done that. I can't find any Tarantino social media accounts. Just fan stuff.
 
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Gavin McInnes has filed a lawsuit against the SPLC’s incorrect labelling of Christians, conservatives and patriots as “hate groups.

Gavin and Ali Alexander joined Alex in studio to discuss the lawsuit and the path to victory that lies ahead.

https://www.infowars.com/gavin-mcinnes-brother-attacks-alex-jones-inside-infowars-headquarters/

Gavin Miles McInnes (/məˈkɪnɪs/; born 17 July 1970) is a Canadian writer and libertarian[1] political commentator. He is the co-founder of Vice Media and Vice Magazine[2][3][4] and host of Get Off My Lawn, formerly on Conservative Review Television. He is a contributor to Taki's Magazine and a former contributor to The Rebel Media, and was a frequent guest on television programs on Fox News and TheBlaze.[5]


McInnes was a leading figure in the hipster subculture while at Vice, being labelled as the "godfather" of hipsterdom. After leaving the company in 2008, he became increasingly known for his far-right political views.[6] He is the founder of the Proud Boys, a neo-fascist[7] men's group considered to be a "general hate" organization by the Southern Poverty Law Center.[8]

I do not agree with the SPLC that the proud boys are neo-fascist hate group I think they may have them confused with antfia

I’m rooting for the SPLC to lose this lawsuit
 
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tigermud said:
Good read

Former Trump lawyer slams Mueller probe, maintains president will be cleared: 'Knock it off and get it done'

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...maintains-president-cleared/story?id=60967234
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This guy seems more competent than Trump's other lawyers. But I disagree with his idea the Mueller would be trying to catch Trump with a perjury trap and that's his MO because others have been charged with perjury. He gets others to plead to perjury as part of a deal. The "nickel-dime process crimes" are parts of plea deals to get cooperation; they're not the main cases Mueller is trying to make.
 
Gulo Blue said:
This guy seems more competent than Trump's other lawyers. But I disagree with his idea the Mueller would be trying to catch Trump with a perjury trap and that's his MO because others have been charged with perjury. He gets others to plead to perjury as part of a deal. The "nickel-dime process crimes" are parts of plea deals to get cooperation; they're not the main cases Mueller is trying to make.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/13/paul-manafort-ruling-1169380
 
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