I am fucking sick of Trump

[tigermud]

 

[Spartanmack]

It's funny how you're always on the side of the moneyed elite, whatever situation that's better for the wealthiest is the best in your mind because it's good for you, but no, you're not a selfish prick. You can show your faux empathy by saying you're all for helping the lower classes by cutting the social safety nets, but we really all know what that's about.


Let's make sure we abandon any program that could possibly allow a poor person to get something for free or earn more money because we care about them so much.

it's funny how you consistently get it wrong. I'm for working class Americans earning what their skill are worth and I see policies like the minimum wage and entities like organized labor as destroying opportunities for that. Opposing the minimum wage isn't favoring the moneyed elite. How is being against the minimum wage so teen agers and other low skilled workers can get jobs favoring the moneyed elite? Same with welfare - look what it's done to poor Americans. It's destroyed the family unit, it's created a cycle of dependency and inescapable poverty. It's been an abject failure and it needs to be reformed - I didn't say abandoned, I said reformed. How is being for welfare reform so large corporations don't get government subsidized work forces and will have to actually pay a higher wage that workers will demand favoring the moneyed elite? It's the moneyed elites in Washington that perpetuate these failed policies and you keep voting for them. I'm not a selfish prick, you're just an idiot that doesn't understand simple economics or the fact that you're the one supporting immoral, selfish, destructive policies.

 

[Michchamp]

The WaPo just investigated Trump's charity dealings. This is the first piece based on the investigation to come out.

no surprise... he runs his charity in the same "small time crook" manner he runs his hotels and casinos.

here's the scam:
apparently from 1987-2006 the charity was more or less legit, but dealt with fairly small amounts of money, and was never larger than a few million. starting in 2006-2007, Trump stopped giving money to his own charity, and instead collected money for "his" charity exclusively from third parties under often dubious pretenses, and then used the proceeds to pay his own bills or pay off others in ways that benefitted his own interests. the article quotes a few people on the topic who claim this alone is highly unusual and possibly illegal on its own... personal charity foundations are usually supported by donations from the person theyre named for, not other people.

for example, he solicited donations for a police charity from a NJ foundation run by the founder's elderly widow. based on IRS filings it appears first the money went to the Donald Trump Foundation, and then to the police foundation. the police foundation then honored Trump at their charity event, which was held at his resort in Palm Beach... and it looks like they paid Trump more than he gave in order to host it there each year! he didn't even spend a cent of his own money!

the article details other instances of such self-dealing... such as him using the proceeds of the foundation to pay his own personal debts. also it appears his Foundation claimed to have donated a lot more than it actually did... often claiming to have made donations no one can confirm.

Jeez... I guess I'd hope anyone still SOMEHOW on the fence in this election reads this stuff and starts to realize that the difference between the clintons' and Trump is a difference of degree AND kind. There's no limit to how low he'll stoop to make a buck.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Jeez... I guess I'd hope anyone still SOMEHOW on the fence in this election reads this stuff and starts to realize that the difference between the clintons' and Trump is a difference of degree AND kind. There's no limit to how low he'll stoop to make a buck.

Just wait until he loses the election and doesn't go away. Palin set her sights too low. The TRUMP NETWORK, is where the money is really at.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I just googled it, he's already used that name.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432468/donald-trump-networks-failure-harmed-small-investors


So...TRUMP TV?

There are plenty of seasons of The Apprentice to use as filler while they put together material.

Vanity Fair says TRUMP NEWS

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-tv-network

 

[Sbee]

it's funny how you consistently get it wrong. I'm for working class Americans earning what their skill are worth and I see policies like the minimum wage and entities like organized labor as destroying opportunities for that. Opposing the minimum wage isn't favoring the moneyed elite. How is being against the minimum wage so teen agers and other low skilled workers can get jobs favoring the moneyed elite? Same with welfare - look what it's done to poor Americans. It's destroyed the family unit, it's created a cycle of dependency and inescapable poverty. It's been an abject failure and it needs to be reformed - I didn't say abandoned, I said reformed. How is being for welfare reform so large corporations don't get government subsidized work forces and will have to actually pay a higher wage that workers will demand favoring the moneyed elite? It's the moneyed elites in Washington that perpetuate these failed policies and you keep voting for them. I'm not a selfish prick, you're just an idiot that doesn't understand simple economics or the fact that you're the one supporting immoral, selfish, destructive policies.

Come on, you have to be laughing while you're typing this. Let's just look at fast food since that's a low skill/low wage industry. The average fast food hourly wage is just under $9 per hour and the average fast food worker is 29 years old, hardly a teenager. How is eliminating a wage floor going to help those people? If you think that wages for all low wage workers would stay at their current level if the minimum wage was eliminated you're crazy. Chris Rock had a great line when he talked about minimum wage, "if we could pay you less we would, but it would be against the law."

Here's an unfortunate reality, when workers can't earn enough money to live, they take money from the government. I'd like to hear how eliminating the minimum wage would help that 29 year old fast food worker making $360 per week stop taking governmental handouts.

 

[tomdalton22]

Come on, you have to be laughing while you're typing this. Let's just look at fast food since that's a low skill/low wage industry. The average fast food hourly wage is just under $9 per hour and the average fast food worker is 29 years old, hardly a teenager. How is eliminating a wage floor going to help those people? If you think that wages for all low wage workers would stay at their current level if the minimum wage was eliminated you're crazy. Chris Rock had a great line when he talked about minimum wage, "if we could pay you less we would, but it would be against the law."

Here's an unfortunate reality, when workers can't earn enough money to live, they take money from the government. I'd like to hear how eliminating the minimum wage would help that 29 year old fast food worker making $360 per week stop taking governmental handouts.

Limit government handouts...then they might be more motivated to get a better job.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The WaPo just investigated Trump's charity dealings. This is the first piece based on the investigation to come out.

no surprise... he runs his charity in the same "small time crook" manner he runs his hotels and casinos.

here's the scam:
apparently from 1987-2006 the charity was more or less legit, but dealt with fairly small amounts of money, and was never larger than a few million. starting in 2006-2007, Trump stopped giving money to his own charity, and instead collected money for "his" charity exclusively from third parties under often dubious pretenses, and then used the proceeds to pay his own bills or pay off others in ways that benefitted his own interests. the article quotes a few people on the topic who claim this alone is highly unusual and possibly illegal on its own... personal charity foundations are usually supported by donations from the person theyre named for, not other people.

for example, he solicited donations for a police charity from a NJ foundation run by the founder's elderly widow. based on IRS filings it appears first the money went to the Donald Trump Foundation, and then to the police foundation. the police foundation then honored Trump at their charity event, which was held at his resort in Palm Beach... and it looks like they paid Trump more than he gave in order to host it there each year! he didn't even spend a cent of his own money!

the article details other instances of such self-dealing... such as him using the proceeds of the foundation to pay his own personal debts. also it appears his Foundation claimed to have donated a lot more than it actually did... often claiming to have made donations no one can confirm.

Jeez... I guess I'd hope anyone still SOMEHOW on the fence in this election reads this stuff and starts to realize that the difference between the clintons' and Trump is a difference of degree AND kind. There's no limit to how low he'll stoop to make a buck.

Wow. A quarter million $ of donated charity money to settle lawsuits against his businesses.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html

 

[Gulo Blue]

Looks like the penalty for self-dealing is to pay back the amount of the benefit, plus an additional 10% to the IRS (+whatever other interest or tax repercussions the benefit would have had).

 

[Sbee]

Limit government handouts...then they might be more motivated to get a better job.

You do understand that the fast food jobs will still exist and someone will have to do it, so you'll just run into the same issues with different individuals. 40 years ago these people would have built things but manufacturing chases cheap labor or automation. This is the new service economy unfortunately.

You're still not offering any solutions, just right wing anecdotal bullshit.

 

[Sbee]

Wow. A quarter million $ of donated charity money to settle lawsuits against his businesses.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html

I'd love to see what's hiding in those tax returns.

 

[Gulo Blue]

When did Trump do that wrestling stuff? This is mostly McMahon money. It's from 2007. I bet they owed him the $5M for appearing on WWE (wikipedia says in 2007 he did a bunch of stuff with them including something involving Rosie O'Donnel) and they made it a 'charitable donation' for tax purposes, but Trump still thought of it as his money.

 

[Gulo Blue]

You do understand that the fast food jobs will still exist and someone will have to do it

Not as many people as used to. Automation is going to shake things up.

 

[Michchamp]

When did Trump do that wrestling stuff? This is mostly McMahon money. It's from 2007. I bet they owed him the $5M for appearing on WWE (wikipedia says in 2007 he did a bunch of stuff with them including something involving Rosie O'Donnel) and they made it a 'charitable donation' for tax purposes, but Trump still thought of it as his money.

similarly, the article references a $500k "donation" from NBC Universal that he (apparently) used to pay awards for The Apprentice "from his own pocket."

he's a complete fraud.

far be it from me to argue the fact that someone is not a billionaire disqualifies them from the presidency, although in this case, when you have a candidate who has made his "business success" his #1 qualification for the position, it more or less does, in a way.

 

[TheVictors]

Not as many people as used to. Automation is going to shake things up.

Dennis Gartman and a few other 'market sages' on a panel here in Denver yesterday painted a very bleak picture for many of these types of jobs.

Walked out feeling a bit depressed.

 

[Sbee]

Not as many people as used to. Automation is going to shake things up.

Yes, kiosks and as much automation as possible. There will be a few employees to basically assist the machines. The funny thing is that the fast food companies can cite the push for 15 as a catalyst but in reality the move to kiosks was always going to happen.

The scary thing things things that these large companies are incredibly lean. Netflix has very few employees in relation to revenue, much less than the 65k blockbuster had.

 

[Gulo Blue]

similarly, the article references a $500k "donation" from NBC Universal that he (apparently) used to pay awards for The Apprentice "from his own pocket."

he's a complete fraud.

far be it from me to argue the fact that someone is not a billionaire disqualifies them from the presidency, although in this case, when you have a candidate who has made his "business success" his #1 qualification for the position, it more or less does, in a way.

I might be more disgusted by the small stuff than the big stuff...in a way.

The $100,000 'donations'...ok, that's a fair amount of money, maybe someone would employ some scam over that if they are dumb and unethical enough, but if you're self-dealing over matters of $5,000 to $25,000, you're either not a billionaire, or you have some kind of problem on top of your stupidity and lack of ethics. And this isn't cheating at business, this is cheating over self portraits and football helmets.

I mean, $5,000 to a billionaire is like $5 to a millionaire. These should be trivial amounts of money to him, right?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Dennis Gartman and a few other 'market sages' on a panel here in Denver yesterday painted a very bleak picture for many of these types of jobs.

Walked out feeling a bit depressed.

Yup. It's happening eventually. We're going to hit a point where there just isn't enough demand for labor to go around and we can't sweep it under the run by upping the number of people on disability.

If you can feed, clothe, house, and entertain every man, woman, and child in a population, but it only requires the labor of half the people to get it done, how is capitalism supposed to work?


I think we're ultimately going to need two currencies and two economies with an exchange rate between the scarce economy and the plenty economy.

 

[tomdalton22]

You do understand that the fast food jobs will still exist and someone will have to do it, so you'll just run into the same issues with different individuals. 40 years ago these people would have built things but manufacturing chases cheap labor or automation. This is the new service economy unfortunately.

You're still not offering any solutions, just right wing anecdotal bullshit.

and your answer...Just pay them more.

 

[Spartanmack]

You do understand that the fast food jobs will still exist and someone will have to do it, so you'll just run into the same issues with different individuals. 40 years ago these people would have built things but manufacturing chases cheap labor or automation. This is the new service economy unfortunately.

You're still not offering any solutions, just right wing anecdotal bullshit.

it's not anecdotal in the least. your "solutions" are proven failures yet you push for more and more of them.

if you reform welfare and our ridiculous tax code, bring back manufacturing jobs with high non-union wages, which you can do, just like at the auto industry in the southern states, you will drive all wages up because of the alternatives and higher wage demands w/o permanent subsidies. if you use regulation, taxes and subsidies, you create incentives for reallocation of capital.

and I don't laugh as I type this stuff, I do sometimes nearly piss my pants when I read your inane drivel though.