I am fucking sick of Trump

[Sbee]

I wasn't aware champ made any policies for the US. Did he get elected to congress and forget to tell us?

Also what "high paying, skilled jobs" are you speaking of?

Business has always searched for cheap labor, whether it be slavery, legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, those with no better options. Technology has also decimated the job market, taking way more jobs than it creates. Globalization has played a huge role in moving jobs overseas, improved shipping practices, cheaper communications due to high speed fiber optics, etc have enabled businesses to chase cheaper labor. If you're motivated to think that way, you can lay it all at the feet of one political party but in reality, our standard of living was destined to decline for the unskilled or uneducated.

There are a ton of high paying, skilled jobs. I know of companies that have dozens of 6 figure jobs that aren't filled, but there's a huge skill gap. We need more legal immigrants to fill these jobs, that's why Microsoft has moved a number of operations to canada so they can use their visa's to bring in more engineers from India and other countries.

But yes, it's all the fault of one political party.

 

[biggunsbob]

The idea the the worker is getting "screwed over" because they're not getting paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, paid health insurance and wages above the value of their skills is asinine. The whole premise of your argument is absurd. Low skill jobs earn low skill pay and the idea that it should be enough to buy a house, put your kids through school and raise a family is absurd. Those jobs should be stepping stones not careers. But your idiotic policies have destroyed American industry and sent all the high paying, skilled jobs overseas. Now your push for a "living wage" for low skilled work is going to do the same thing to those jobs.

Yeah because Reagan's trickle down has so worked for Anericam since he was in office. Republicans are Anti everything that has to do with common sense. A do nothing party trapped in a time loop. You freaking blame the left but look no further then to the rights hero and his corrupt administration for the start slide, and every damn president since then has had a hand in it. But we both know which party has had the worst of it. Amazing what Obama has accomplished since 2008 with this group of republicans who don't give a shit about anything. Profits over people.

Common sense.
Gay rights nope.
Guns nope.
Environment nope.
Health care nope.
Workers rights nope.
Workers wages nope.
Education nope.

I'm sure I am missing some.

Please by all means Tell me who on the right is champion any of these ideas? I am sure you have a plan just like Trump for helping people lol. I mean it's a dog eat dog world. Who gives a shit about low wage earners . Or any worker in United Hack of America.

 

[tomdalton22]

Yeah because Reagan's trickle down has so worked for Anericam since he was in office. Republicans are Anti everything that has to do with common sense. A do nothing party trapped in a time loop. You freaking blame the left but look no further then to the rights hero and his corrupt administration for the start slide, and every damn president since then has had a hand in it. But we both know which party has had the worst of it. Amazing what Obama has accomplished since 2008 with this group of republicans who don't give a shit about anything. Profits over people.

Common sense.
Gay rights nope.
Guns nope.
Environment nope.
Health care nope.
Workers rights nope.
Workers wages nope.
Education nope.

I'm sure I am missing some.

Please by all means Tell me who on the right is champion any of these ideas? I am sure you have a plan just like Trump for helping people lol. I mean it's a dog eat dog world. Who gives a shit about low wage earners . Or any worker in United Hack of America.

What has Obama really accomplished since 2008? If you are talking about Obama Care...IMO, that has been a huge failure. I know my cost for healthcare has more than doubled, but that shouldn't matter, since I am considered upper middle class.

As far as your generalization of "republicans" not having any common sense. I would consider myself a republican, of course, you assume that I lean far right on every issue. I think you would be surprised how many, if not most, republicans feel about the things you mentioned.

Most of my friends are republicans (probably 80-90%). Most of them feel the same way I do on most social issues.

-Gay rights...all for them.
-Gun control...almost all of us support significantly stricter laws AND more severe punishment for breaking any law using a gun.
-Abortion...most feel it is probably morally wrong but support a woman's right
-Environment...all for regulations to protect the environment.

 

[Spartanmack]

Bob, other than the productivity gains from tech which have everything to do with capitalism and nothing to do with government policy, the economy been mired in a Keynesian trap for nearly 3 decades. if you think our problems have been trickle down economics, you have no idea what you are talking about. oh never mind that previous sentence, I just remembered, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Spartanmack]

nothing burgers!!!! it was the rogue server guys...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKR9viGWFs

i know you won't admit it sbee, and maybe you can watch this and still not feel like a sucker and can even, with a straight face, say you don't think you're a Clinton sycophant but LOLololololo...

where Bob to explain that Republicans are the obstructionists?

 

[tinselwolverine]

What has Obama really accomplished since 2008? If you are talking about Obama Care...IMO, that has been a huge failure. I know my cost for healthcare has more than doubled, but that shouldn't matter, since I am considered upper middle class.

I would say that Obamacare/Health Care Reform fixed the only really serious gap that had existed in our health care system - which by the way, the Republicans had six years under Bush with a Congressional majority to address/fix, and failed to do so - that people who had done everything right - worked hard, saved money, bought a house, put away retirement savings, etc. - who for whatever reason became uninsured and then became uninsurable - would have to pay every fucking penny into destitution before they were eligible for any assistance - at that point, "hey, come on down, you're now as eligible for public assistance as the rest of the broke dick fucks who never did anything with their lives, and you're the next contestant on You're Broke, You're Fucked, and You're Going to Die that Way.

Beyond that, Obmacare fixed a whole lotta shit that wudn't eb'n broke.

 

[Spartanmack]

Obamacare is nothing but a massive expansion of Medicare that also made the private insurance industry worse. they could have simply done the former and left the latter alone and wed be better off.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Obamacare is nothing but a massive expansion of Medicare that also made the private insurance industry worse. they could have simply done the former and left the latter alone and wed be better off.

I'm pretty sure you mean Medicaid.

EDIT: That, said, I'm pretty sure you're agreeing with me - we needed to fix the gap so that good people didn't have to go broke before they were eligible for public assistance - that's really all we needed to do.

And again, the Republicans failed to do so under Bush with a six year Congressional majority.

Crap like that is why I'm no longer a Republican. I used to be a Republican activist and was a card carrying member of the RNC.

 

[Sbee]

yet the big box stores pay better than the Mom and Pops. Maybe the mom and pops are fucking over their employees more than the big box stores?

The big box stores have market caps of hundreds of billions of dollars, but yeah, those comparisons are valid.

 

[tigermud]

I thought this one was pretty good, an actual honest conversation.

https://youtu.be/fO-0i6jWe1U

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm pretty sure you mean Medicaid.

EDIT: That, said, I'm pretty sure you're agreeing with me - we needed to fix the gap so that good people didn't have to go broke before they were eligible for public assistance - that's really all we needed to do.

And again, the Republicans failed to do so under Bush with a six year Congressional majority.

Crap like that is why I'm no longer a Republican. I used to be a Republican activist and was a card carrying member of the RNC.

I did mean Medicaid, thank you. And yes, Republican inability or unwillingness to institute real meaningful reform in healthcare was a big disappointment of the Bush administration.

 

[Spartanmack]

The big box stores have market caps of hundreds of billions of dollars, but yeah, those comparisons are valid.

talk about invalid - what does market cap have to do with being able to pay a certain wage? I thought you guys always said profits were the source of all evil and we needed to tax them to zero and redistribute it to people who need it to support their kids regardless of the value they contribute.

 

[Sbee]

talk about invalid - what does market cap have to do with being able to pay a certain wage? I thought you guys always said profits were the source of all evil and we needed to tax them to zero and redistribute it to people who need it to support their kids regardless of the value they contribute.

no dubmass, I never said that profits were the source of all evil. I'm saying there's a difference between this argument for the mom and pop vs the multi-billion dollar corporation that's making huge profits off of low wages.

My problem with the big box stores (you can throw fast food in there too) is that they rely on the taxpayer to subsidize the wages of their employees through medicaid, SNAP, and other government programs. Their wages should be enough to allow for their employees not to qualify for these programs, where we aren't subsidizing them.

Now let's hear your perfect world, free market argument that assumes perfect competition and a number of other flaws.

 

[tomdalton22]

no dubmass, I never said that profits were the source of all evil. I'm saying there's a difference between this argument for the mom and pop vs the multi-billion dollar corporation that's making huge profits off of low wages.

My problem with the big box stores (you can throw fast food in there too) is that they rely on the taxpayer to subsidize the wages of their employees through medicaid, SNAP, and other government programs. Their wages should be enough to allow for their employees not to qualify for these programs, where we aren't subsidizing them.

Now let's hear your perfect world, free market argument that assumes perfect competition and a number of other flaws.

so the employees of the mom and pop stores, who make even less, aren't getting those government subsidies?

 

[Sbee]

so the employees of the mom and pop stores, who make even less, aren't getting those government subsidies?

They are eligible, but they don't lobby for them like the big boys do, buying legislation and tax breaks. Do you guys want smaller government with less handouts or a low minimum wage? you simply can't have both.

 

[Spartanmack]

no dubmass, I never said that profits were the source of all evil. I'm saying there's a difference between this argument for the mom and pop vs the multi-billion dollar corporation that's making huge profits off of low wages.

My problem with the big box stores (you can throw fast food in there too) is that they rely on the taxpayer to subsidize the wages of their employees through medicaid, SNAP, and other government programs. Their wages should be enough to allow for their employees not to qualify for these programs, where we aren't subsidizing them.

Now let's hear your perfect world, free market argument that assumes perfect competition and a number of other flaws.

no dumbass, that's not what you said. Go back and read the post. You said they're not comparable because the big box stores have huge market caps. The truth is, it's about profits regardless of market cap, dickhead. And some mom and pop operations are extremely profitable. You must know several small business owners at your country club that make extremely nice livings without enormous market caps.

and you have a problem with the big box stores because you're a dumbass. The problems with low wages are things like WELFARE and inflated union wages - do you think for a second that these companies could hire people at such low wages if able bodied people weren't given welfare and foodstamps? Not a chance. And do you think low skilled jobs would pay so little of there was a viable alternative in the US manufacturing sector? Not a chance. But there isn't a US manufacturing sector to speak of because unions drove the cost of labor so high that corporations made the simple and correct decision to moves jobs to lower cost parts of the world. And because able bodied people can get welfare and food stamps, companies can hold wages down, particularly for part time employees.

What dumbasses like you don't understand is things like subsidies and taxes create perverse incentives for economic actors to take actions that will benefit them the most from subsidies and harm them the least from things like taxes. But you think these policies are well intentioned and they're the morally right thing to do (even though they're actually the opposite) so the companies who protect their bottom lines are the bad actors in your twisted mind. Basically, you're a dumbass.

 

[Spartanmack]

oops...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-guy-sought-tech-advice-july-2014-strip-vips-

nothing to see here folks - without actual proof (a confession from Hillary or the deleted and scrubbed emails themselves) this is just a big nothing burger...

 

[Spartanmack]

They are eligible, but they don't lobby for them like the big boys do, buying legislation and tax breaks. Do you guys want smaller government with less handouts or a low minimum wage? you simply can't have both.

I don't want both. I want smaller government with entitlement reform and no minimum wage. Let wages settle at a price the market will bear.

 

[Sbee]

I don't want both. I want smaller government with entitlement reform and no minimum wage. Let wages settle at a price the market will bear.

It's funny how you're always on the side of the moneyed elite, whatever situation that's better for the wealthiest is the best in your mind because it's good for you, but no, you're not a selfish prick. You can show your faux empathy by saying you're all for helping the lower classes by cutting the social safety nets, but we really all know what that's about.


Let's make sure we abandon any program that could possibly allow a poor person to get something for free or earn more money because we care about them so much.

 

[tigermud]

oops...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-guy-sought-tech-advice-july-2014-strip-vips-

nothing to see here folks - without actual proof (a confession from Hillary or the deleted and scrubbed emails themselves) this is just a big nothing burger...

Nobody cares nothing sticks to Teflon poeple, besides its probebly just another hoax or crazy conspiracy thoery anyway. /s