I am fucking sick of Trump

[Michchamp]

so "mom & pop" employers don't fuck over their lower wage employees?

sure they do. it's just not usually to the same extent, and they don't get away with it as easily; the glaring disparity in power between a mom and pop grocery shop and an hourly employee isn't the same as the disparity between, say, Walmart and a greeter or cashier.

it matters a lot when it comes down to it.

 

[tomdalton22]

sure they do. it's just not usually to the same extent, and they don't get away with it as easily; the glaring disparity in power between a mom and pop grocery shop and an hourly employee isn't the same as the disparity between, say, Walmart and a greeter or cashier.

it matters a lot when it comes down to it.

yet the big box stores pay better than the Mom and Pops. Maybe the mom and pops are fucking over their employees more than the big box stores?

 

[Michchamp]

yet the big box stores pay better than the Mom and Pops. Maybe the mom and pops are fucking over their employees more than the big box stores?

they do?

 

[Gulo Blue]

sure they do. it's just not usually to the same extent, and they don't get away with it as easily; the glaring disparity in power between a mom and pop grocery shop and an hourly employee isn't the same as the disparity between, say, Walmart and a greeter or cashier.

it matters a lot when it comes down to it.

Actually, small business have a lot more freedom to screw over employees. I honestly think the difference is just that we more or less have to look them in the eye while we do it. Your employees know if you're doing the best you can for them and you're motivated to keep them happy.

 

[Michchamp]

OMG small businesses do not have a lot more freedom to screw employees than big, market-powerful ones. How could you even think that would be possible?

it's of course a complex issue with a lot of different factors involved, but jesus large corporations have entire teams paid to do things like oppose employee unionization efforts, sack and discredit whistleblowers, cover up misdeeds, etc. and armies of lawyers, consultants, and contractors to carry these out.

I know it really sucked when Mr. Jenkins fired you from your summer stock boy job at the local 5-and-dime because you didn't show up Friday, but that's nowhere near what goes on at the corporate level. shit.

 

[tomdalton22]

they do?

According to what I have found, yes

 

[Michchamp]

maybe you could share that with the board?

does the information take into account externalities like... oh for example... other intangibles like this example from real life: a large corporation threatens to leave the state they're HQ'd in for another unless they received not only an extension of their existing tax breaks, but additional new ones. and they were not promising anything in return to the state beyond keeping a number of jobs there, lower than they currently have. ie they could cut jobs - a lot of jobs - and still keep their tax break.

they get the tax break package. now the state & local governments have to cut some services and raise other taxes (e.g. property taxes, cigarette taxes, tolls, gasoline taxes) to cover the shortfall. so employees keep their jobs but get fucked in other ways they don't even know about.

 

[Michchamp]

oh and the big corporation in my example had attorneys, a full PR staff, lobbyists in various places all working on this deal, and were able to get state and local politicians on the phone whenever they felt like it.

but yeah, I could see mom and pop shops running much worse scams... seems reasonable.

 

[tomdalton22]

maybe you could share that with the board?

does the information take into account externalities like... oh for example... other intangibles like this example from real life: a large corporation threatens to leave the state they're HQ'd in for another unless they received not only an extension of their existing tax breaks, but additional new ones. and they were not promising anything in return to the state and all the have to promise to do is keep a number of jobs there, lower than they currently have, ie they could cut jobs - a lot of jobs - and still keep their tax break.

they get the tax break package. now the state & local governments have to cut some services and raise other taxes (e.g. property taxes, cigarette taxes, tolls, gasoline taxes) to cover the shortfall. so employees keep their jobs but get fucked in other ways they don't even know about.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-...ore-at-big-box-chains-than-mom-and-pop-shops/

 

[Gulo Blue]

OMG small businesses do not have a lot more freedom to screw employees than big, market-powerful ones. How could you even think that would be possible?

Well, some laws have exceptions for small businesses. Workers comp, some of the OSHA stuff, some of the anti-discrimination stuff, no health care requirements, not all ADA laws apply.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I know it really sucked when Mr. Jenkins fired you from your summer stock boy job at the local 5-and-dime because you didn't show up Friday, but that's nowhere near what goes on at the corporate level. shit.

Pfffft! Like they'd fire the winner of the Best Bagger competition.

 

[Spartanmack]

his plan is less than ideal, as it turns out. skip the parts of the article on Ivanka and Cosmo to get to the analysis of Trump's proposal.



huh. and that makes sense, since the average waitress, McDonald's burger flipper, or sales clerk at Gap can afford to hire a compensation consultant, and attorney to negotiate a paid maternity deal on their behalf, and not to mention the adequate leverage to get their much larger and more powerful employer to even agree to negotiate with them in the first place. your proposal will certainly deliver a fair result for lower income parents and their children.

that MBA you got from UChicago was worth every penny. it really gave you an good foundation in reality.

More inane communist drivel. yeah, because you really need a compensation consultant and an attorney to negotiate a cashiers wage - and they deserve paid leave because it's part of a "fair" result everyone deserves. It's the responsibility of the collective to support others according to their needs. Talk about a foundation in reality - how far up your ass can you put your head? Can you see your back teeth? Seems like you get is so far up there, you could eat the same meal twice.

 

[Spartanmack]

Lower wage earners always get fucked. It's the nature of the all mighty corporate beast to maximize profits at the expense of the workers at all cost.

" Jenny its friday pop that kid out and see you on Tuesday."

if they're getting paid a market wage, how are they getting fucked? Is is the pizza parlor owner's responsibility to pay Jenny when she's not at work doing the job he or she is paying her to do?

 

[Spartanmack]

OMG small businesses do not have a lot more freedom to screw employees than big, market-powerful ones. How could you even think that would be possible?

it's of course a complex issue with a lot of different factors involved, but jesus large corporations have entire teams paid to do things like oppose employee unionization efforts, sack and discredit whistleblowers, cover up misdeeds, etc. and armies of lawyers, consultants, and contractors to carry these out.

I know it really sucked when Mr. Jenkins fired you from your summer stock boy job at the local 5-and-dime because you didn't show up Friday, but that's nowhere near what goes on at the corporate level. shit.

The idea the the worker is getting "screwed over" because they're not getting paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, paid health insurance and wages above the value of their skills is asinine. The whole premise of your argument is absurd. Low skill jobs earn low skill pay and the idea that it should be enough to buy a house, put your kids through school and raise a family is absurd. Those jobs should be stepping stones not careers. But your idiotic policies have destroyed American industry and sent all the high paying, skilled jobs overseas. Now your push for a "living wage" for low skilled work is going to do the same thing to those jobs.

 

[tomdalton22]

the idea the the worker is getting "screwed over" because they're not getting paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, paid health insurance and wages above the value of their skills is asinine. The whole premise of your argument is absurd. Low skill jobs earn low skill pay and the idea that it should be enough to buy a house, put your kids through school and raise a family is absurd. Those jobs should be stepping stones not careers. But your idiotic policies have destroyed american industry and sent all the high paying, skilled jobs overseas. Now your push for a "living wage" for low skilled work is going to do the same thing to those jobs.

+100

 

[tigermud]

https://youtu.be/u0BYqzdiuJc

 

[biggunsbob]

Slate.

Today's Trump Apocalyps Watch. Snatching defeat from the jaws of a good week.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...snatching_defeat_from_the_jaws_of_a_good.html

 

[Sbee]

oooh, smoking gun - failing socialist Europe mandates paid parental leave. The US is so far behind the rest of the world. So you want to make an employee's child the employer's responsibility and they should be forced to pay a benefit that they get 0 return from. That makes loads of sense - you know, she entered into a voluntary agreement with her employer and her employer was forced to pay her an above market wage, health care benefits and birth control (which she apparently wasn't thankful enough to actually use) because she has needs. And now her needs have changed so now her boss is on the hook for her wages while she stays home and produces nothing for him or her. That about sum it up?

Edit: looking forward to your response where you say I always come out on the selfish side when you're the one who wants to confiscate someone else's money and give it to someone who has done nothing in return for it.

Do you feel the same way about vacation time? luckily that's not available for most hourly workers as well. It always has to make financial sense for the employer. At least she didn't have an abortion.

 

[Sbee]

sorry, post 166. and it's about indicting her for crimes she committed, not about making people think she's guilty. Among other lies, Clinton said under oath she never sent or received anything marked classified information. Further, she took actions to make sure work related emails weren't turned over and weren't recoverable AFTER she was told to preserve the information on her private server. If you think that's OK, it can only be because you're a sycophant, willing to believe every lie she tells including the lies she tells after the original lies are proved to be lies. How can you possibly say it was at max 3 emails when we know for certain she never turned over work related documents and emails - potentially numbering in the thousands? But you're confident it was only 3 because a pathological liar tells you so.

Hillary didn't say it was 3, the investigators said that. They also said that she overwhelmingly handled classified information properly.

I wonder how many times a day you think of or use the word sycophant? I think you have your own definition, in your mind a sycophant is someone who thinks that despite her flaws Hillary Clinton is a better choice for president than Donald Trump, never mind what the actual definition is.

 

[Thumb]

But your idiotic policies have destroyed American industry and sent all the high paying, skilled jobs overseas.

I wasn't aware champ made any policies for the US. Did he get elected to congress and forget to tell us?

Also what "high paying, skilled jobs" are you speaking of?