I'd rather have Cameron Maybin then Peter Bourjos

[durtymrclean]

He has way more upside with the bat and plays just as good defense. If they were to trade porcello, I wouldnt mind getting Maybin and Street back.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Maybin stinks and RP is worth much more than him. Even with Street who makes 7+.

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years Away

Maybin (26) 71.06 RC/650 .690 OPS 16.27 PA/BB

Bourjos (26) 68.29 RC/650 .684 OPS 16.13 PA/BB


Last 3 years UZR/150

Bourjos 23.9

Maybin 4.50


At 26 this coming season, neither player has any upside offensively. They are what they are. Below average and they pretty much are the same player offensively.

Now, defensively isn't even "close". Bourjos is far superior. Granted, Maybin is still above average, but Bourjos is the 2nd best defensively outfielder (Brett Gardner being the best) in all of baseball.


So, factoring in defense, Bourjous becomes slight above average as an OFer, where Maybin is still below average. Period. There shouldn't even be a debate.

 

[tigersofjustice]

While I agree that Maybin still has more upside, Bourjos is the better player right now. Either way, I don't see why the Tigers would trade Porcello for either of them.

 

[Rebbiv]

How on earth does Maybin have more upside?

I must be stupid, so someone needs to explain this to me.

 

[wheels002]

Maybin has done enough for the Tigers lol. I dont want him back he has been a bust considering all the potential he had.

 

[tigersofjustice]

How on earth does Maybin have more upside?

I must be stupid, so someone needs to explain this to me.

He has positive trends in a few areas, namely a dramatically decreasing K% over the last several years. He's also got a frame that could still develop some increased power as he isn't at his age power peak yet. None of that means he'll get there but he certainly has some potential for improvement.

 

[tonyballs]

How on earth does Maybin have more upside?

I must be stupid, so someone needs to explain this to me.

Christmas is over. There are no miracles left.

 

[Rebbiv]

He has positive trends in a few areas, namely a dramatically decreasing K% over the last several years. He's also got a frame that could still develop some increased power as he isn't at his age power peak yet. None of that means he'll get there but he certainly has some potential for improvement.

Without changes in walk rate or BAVG, decreasing Strike Out rates proves nothing and is not an indicator. I see no positive trends. If fact, there are some disturbing trends like first pitch swinging.

Maybin SO Rates

Minors = 4.34 PA/SO

AA+AAA = 4.61 PA/SO

Majors = 4.27 PA/SO

2011+2012 = 4.80 PA/SO


For the most part (93.7%), a player is what he is when he reaches 26 years old. Maybin turns 26 on April 4th, 4 days after Bourjos turns 26.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Just trade for Stanton already.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Just trade for Stanton already.

Ditto.

 

[durtymrclean]

Cameron Maybin's base running pretty much negates any defensive superiority bourjos has over maybin (which would be negligible at best on the tigers due to either one playing lf instead of cf.) Maybin provides exactly what the tigers need ( a right handed bat that plays above average defense with speed on the base paths and a little pop). Bourjos, despite his great speed for of defense, does not translate well on the base paths, even on a freewheeling team like the angels.

 

[Thumb]

Cameron Maybin's base running pretty much negates any defensive superiority bourjos has over maybin (which would be negligible at best on the tigers due to either one playing lf instead of cf.) Maybin provides exactly what the tigers need ( a right handed bat that plays above average defense with speed on the base paths and a little pop). Bourjos, despite his great speed for of defense, does not translate well on the base paths, even on a freewheeling team like the angels.

Wow, are you putting baserunning on an equal plane with defense in terms of value?

Because seriously, OMFGLMAO if you are.

 

[Rebbiv]

Cameron Maybin's base running pretty much negates any defensive superiority bourjos has over maybin (which would be negligible at best on the tigers due to either one playing lf instead of cf.) Maybin provides exactly what the tigers need ( a right handed bat that plays above average defense with speed on the base paths and a little pop). Bourjos, despite his great speed for of defense, does not translate well on the base paths, even on a freewheeling team like the angels.

WOW!!!!

What about the fact that Maybin grounds into a more double plays? Would this then negate any speed advantage you perceive? Maybe we should bring in their bunting abilities, where Bourjos is a better bunter!!!!


HR rates

Bourjos = 40.33 PA/HR

Maybin = 47.87 PA/HR


versus LHP last 3 years

Bourjos = .256 BAVG .298 OBP .421 SLG .719 OPS

Maybin = .257 BAVG .307 OBP .359 SLG .666 OPS


I am sorry, no matter how you slice it, Bourjos is the better all around player. Neither is someone I want on the Tigers, but if I had to choose, it is Bourjos by a landslide!

 

[jdeb]

Stanton is going to be a Ranger if he is traded.

How many posts will it take for someone to realize they have been owned by rebbiv?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stanton is going to be a Ranger if he is traded.
. How many posts will it take for someone to realize they have been owned by rebbiv?

We all agree. Its only been one person who thinks Maybin is anything. Maybe you should read the thread first.

 

[Thumb]

We all agree. Its only been one person who thinks Maybin is anything. Maybe you should read the thread first.

I think he meant "that person" when he said "someone", not everyone else.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm sure you're right. Quick to judge these days I guess. Starting to be like you, Thumb. :hehe:

 

[durtymrclean]

This thread was a test to see if Rebbiv was nothing more than a contrarian seeing he disagrees with everything I say: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/peter-bourjos-is-cameron-maybin/
So I took two relatively similar players and baited him to see if he came with his same rhetoric, using arbitrarily flawed stats to support whatever argument he has to make. I respect cameron's opinion a little bit more.

 

[durtymrclean]

And bourjos uzr is probably extremely inflated due to his insane stats in limited time in 2010 and 2012 when he served as a part time player both seasons. When your only concentration is fielding off the bench, you better be damn good at it. Maybin is 4 ays younger but has logged in well over 1000 more innings, fatigue surely dragging his uzr down over the course of 3 seasons as a full-time player. I'd rather have the player who has proven he can handle a full-time role with positive results then a part Time specialist.