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[Gulo Blue]

then how did Obama manage to double the national debt?

If this is an honest question, look up the deficit history.

 

[Gulo Blue]

some economists - morons like Nobel Prize winners Joe Stiglitz and Paul Krugman. There are plenty of economists who know this is utter nonsense.

Many economists. Not just those two.

 

[Spartanmack]

I saw someone post some of these on twitter, but I thought they were caricatures of Seuss' comics, not his actual works.

They seem to be leftist though... (right?) According to Wikipedia, "America First!" has been a slogan of nativist/white supremacy groups throughout American history. I am confused. I can see those might not be appropriate for a children's book, but as editorial cartoons... they land close to the truth.

I don't get the Kangaroo one; communists and facists are on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum... unless he's lumping them all together as extremists or something.

that spectrum is more like a horse shoe than a horizontal line. fascism and socialism aren't all that different.

 

[Spartanmack]

Many economists. Not just those two.

I know, which is why I said "like..." indicating they were just two examples. I chose them because they're two of the most prominent morons - as far as I know, they're the only two with nobel prizes, so far.

 

[Spartanmack]

If this is an honest question, look up the deficit history.

I'm aware of the history, maybe you should take a look at deficits and control of congress and maybe scratch just a tiny bit below the surface to see why Obama was able to "reduce" the deficit and still double the national debt. Perhaps it had something do with a "one time" bailout spending package of $900B from the 2008 recession...money that was mostly spent during his administration - he reduced the deficit by getting elected in 2008 after which he kept spending right where Bush had it, thus doubling the national debt in 8yrs. Amazing fiscal responsibility - thanks Obama!

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm aware of the history, maybe you should take a look at deficits and control of congress and maybe scratch just a tiny bit below the surface to see why Obama was able to "reduce" the deficit and still double the national debt. Perhaps it had something do with a "one time" bailout spending package of $900B from the 2008 recession...but hey, he reduced the deficit by basically keeping spending right where Bush had it. Amazing fiscal responsibility - good job Dems!

While we're at it, tell me more about how the Bush tax cuts rolled out over time. And let's keep going back to look at another couple decades of deficits.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I know, which is why I said "like..." indicating they were just two examples. I chose them because they're two of the most prominent morons - as far as I know, they're the only two with nobel prizes, so far.

You're a big fan of modern monetary theory, I take it.

 

[Spartanmack]

While we're at it, tell me more about how the Bush tax cuts rolled out over time. And let's keep going back to look at another couple decades of deficits.

So you don't have an explanation for how Obama managed to both double the debt and oversee the largest deficit "reduction"? Put the goal posts down for a second - I'm not defending Bush's spending, but go for it - look at deficits and congressional control as far back as you like and even better, take a look at the Dems agenda for spending and tell me how voting for them going forward would be better for the deficit. Probably all the deficit reducing programs like wiping out student debt, providing "free" college, single payer health care, etc.

 

[Gulo Blue]

So you don't have an explanation

Did you notice that I mentioned the rollout of the Bush tax cuts?

 

[Gulo Blue]

he reduced the deficit by getting elected in 2008 after which he kept spending right where Bush had it

 

[Spartanmack]

You're a big fan of modern monetary theory, I take it.

it sorta depends on where refi rates are relative to my current mortgage.

 

[Gulo Blue]

You kind of have to choose. If you want to look at this the way you've been looking at it, then we'd have to give Obama credit for three years of low taxes too.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Where's the steepest stretch of spending cutting on that chart?

 

[Spartanmack]

You kind of have to choose. If you want to look at this the way you've been looking at it, then we'd have to give Obama credit for three years of low taxes too.

No you don't. That's complete nonsense.

 

[Gulo Blue]

No you don't. That's complete nonsense.

Well, it is complete nonsense. I do think that.

 

[Spartanmack]

Where's the steepest stretch of spending cutting on that chart?

Right where I explained why it's the steepest stretch - because of a massive bailout package (which I was opposed to and which was mostly spent under Obama). And he would have likely spent a lot more if his party didn't lose control of the House in 2010.

 

[Spartanmack]

Well, it is complete nonsense. I do think that.

I have no doubt you do.

 

[Gulo Blue]

it sorta depends on where refi rates are relative to my current mortgage.

You're hoping to refi again?! I figured everybody was done with that for good other than new homeowners.

 

[Michchamp]

... - morons like Nobel Prize winners Joe Stiglitz and Paul Krugman. .

 

[sggatecl]

I couldn't care less how other countries spend their money or how we spend money relative to them, particularly since many of them don't spend money on their militaries because they know we do and we'll keep them safe.

It's a shame you don't use that same logic when it comes to helping the environment, i.e. the Paris Climate Agreement.

Over 60% of the budget goes to entitlement spending vs 15% for the military - it's not military spending that's keeping us from fixing bridges.

Since in your eyes bombing the shit out of other countries is of the utmost importance, what e̶n̶t̶i̶t̶l̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ human services would you like to see cut first? Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? Income Security? I'm curious which one jumps to the top of your 'not my problem' list.