Kochs push their errand boy for GOP nomination

[Michchamp]

Link. Original article included much stronger wording from the Kochs' on their support for Walker, which they've dialed back via a spokesperson in this one.

 

[zyxt9]

While I don't know anything about this guy, there have been interesting experiments done where random people were able to pick out the winner of an election solely based on the photos of the candidates. If that's the case, this guy will not be president cause that is a terrible photo of him, bad posture, disingenuous smile (I know, what politician is genuine), tired looking eyes. I'll chalk it up to a bad camera angle and moment, or maybe that was an intentional subconscious tactic applied by the reporter, but first glance impression is not favorable.

I know, I know...what about his position on blah, blah, blah. I'm solely basing this off the experiments that have been done, not his political position.

If one wishes to read more about these studies, pick from your preference (or even other sources):

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=guessing+winner+of+election+solely+based+on+their+photo

 

[tinselwolverine]

You don't know anything about the guy for real?

He's been the governor of Wisconsin for a pretty long damn time.

He has been in the news a lot, I would say primarily for public employee union labor negotiations.

For good or for bad or whatever, I would say that's what he is notable for.

 

[Spartanmack]

You don't know anything about the guy for real?

He's been the governor of Wisconsin for a pretty long damn time.

He has been in the news a lot, I would say primarily for public employee union labor negotiations.

For good or for bad or whatever, I would say that's what he is notable for.

It was for good.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It was for good.

Well, either way a guy like zyxt should know this shit.

A guy like zyxt shouldn't be all like "oh, I don't know anything about Scott Walker..."


Damn New York elitist snob.

 

[kalinecountry]

This guy is nothing more than a sneaky miserable Koch Kocksuckers Brothers errand boy cutting union pensions of state, police, firemen, teachers retirees.
The republicans create the state(s) to be in the red $$$ and then they go to take monies from retirees who are in their 60's and older who can't work fulltime, or some even part time, who are dependent on that fixed income pension.

This is the dirty shit the Kochsucker brothers do along with a myriad of laws they are able to implement in many states with a lacky piece of shit governor.
Then there was something he got caught at, I forget. and still the dumb fucks in Wisconsin voted for him.

None of these guys like this fuckhead wisconsin governor the past 2 elections the f'n republicans voted for to run against Obama will have a chance against Hillary if she is to be the Democrats nominee.
More I read about her and how she is for the TPP and a couple of other things, well, she is the lesser of the evils either party nominates for the 2016 elections.

I try to stay out of this shithouse of aruments, because you can't change a persons feeling about either party, much like religion, or color of skin, and there's always one or two who will try to suck you into an argument to see and explain to you/me there beliefs are correct.

I am for everyone to not be subjected to these kinds of tactics.
Even Snyder in Michigan put the state and cities into having a group to run their cities, and the people's rights to vote on new laws that take poor/low income programs away don't have a voice.

Don't give me that bullshit that there are way too many on the programs who are doing it illegally. That is a small percentage and because of that they want to end it for the other 98% of them.

 

[sggatecl]

It was for good.

Did you feel the same about approving money to a new arena complex in Milwaukee and in the same week cutting millions from Wisconsin's public universities?

 

[zyxt9]

Well, either way a guy like zyxt should know this shit.

A guy like zyxt shouldn't be all like "oh, I don't know anything about Scott Walker..."


Damn New York elitist snob.

ROFL...yeah, I deserve to be called out for it. I don't usually pay attention to the candidates till it is closer to election time. So many end up having their skeletons exposed and drop out or a front runner loses appeal and a new one takes over. I just find myself not wanting to invest time in learning about these guys until it is closer to time to vote.

Then I just look at their photo and decide who I want to be the face of the office.

 

[tinselwolverine]

ROFL...yeah, I deserve to be called out for it. I don't usually pay attention to the candidates till it is closer to election time. So many end up having their skeletons exposed and drop out or a front runner loses appeal and a new one takes over. I just find myself not wanting to invest time in learning about these guys until it is closer to time to vote.

Then I just look at their photo and decide who I want to be the face of the office.

Well love Scott Walker, hate him or in between, he has been a very important political figure as governor of Wisconsin and some of the things he's done there for better or for worse, whether he ever runs for president or not.

 

[TheVictors]

What informed American doesn't know about Scott Walker the Puppet? Seriously ...like weeks of non-stop coverage by the "MSM" during the teachers union debacle.

Walker is a cunt.

A spineless bitch who bought his position with Koch Bros help.

 

[biggunsbob]

Shame Wisconsin voters didn't see through Walkers Corrupt link to the Koch brothers. Tired of them buying election. Tired of corporations who can donate at will like Individuals.

 

[Spartanmack]

Did you feel the same about approving money to a new arena complex in Milwaukee and in the same week cutting millions from Wisconsin's public universities?

No. But they're separate issues. I've made my position on publicly funded stadiums and arenas very clear on other threads here. I wasn't endorsing the guy for President. Just because I like one thing someone accomplishes doesn't mean I have to like everything they do. It was a nice try but you're going to have to do better if you want to be a master baiter.

 

[Spartanmack]

Shame Wisconsin voters didn't see through Walkers Corrupt link to the Koch brothers. Tired of them buying election. Tired of corporations who can donate at will like Individuals.

and Unions...

 

[biggunsbob]

and Unions...

Get back to me when Walker and the Koch brothers give a rats a$$ about the every day worker.. Three Awful human beings..

 

[Spartanmack]

Get back to me when Walker and the Koch brothers give a rats a$$ about the every day worker.. Three Awful human beings..

I'm not defending the Koch brothers or Scott Walker. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of being OK with unions spending gobs of money to buy elections but decrying corporations for doing the same thing. As for the every day worker, according to Forbes, Koch Industries employs over 100k people - many of them skilled laborers making well above the national minimum wage. But the Democrats and the unions tell you they're bad guys, so they must be bad guys.

 

[biggunsbob]

I'm not defending the Koch brothers or Scott Walker. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of being OK with unions spending gobs of money to buy elections but decrying corporations for doing the same thing. As for the every day worker, according to Forbes, Koch Industries employs over 100k people - many of them skilled laborers making well above the national minimum wage. But the Democrats and the unions tell you they're bad guys, so they must be bad guys.

I could care less what those idiots pay.. Check their record and how much suppression they have used over the years to cover up their Toxic empire. Great they create jobs on the bones of others.. Even their own brother can't stand them.. You believe what you want and so will I.. I am sure our votes will cancel each other out.. I am positive that unions are much better for people then the Koch brothers are.. A world run by these two guys point of view would be one awful place to live.

 

[Spartanmack]

I could care less what those idiots pay.. Check their record and how much suppression they have used over the years to cover up their Toxic empire. Great they create jobs on the bones of others.. Even their own brother can't stand them.. You believe what you want and so will I.. I am sure our votes will cancel each other out.. I am positive that unions are much better for people then the Koch brothers are.. A world run by these two guys point of view would be one awful place to live.

I'm well aware that your opinion will never change, no matter how many jobs, cities and states the unions kill. As for your world run by the point of view of 1 or 2 guys, what do you think you're getting when you vote for Obama or a Clinton or a Bush? That toxic empire you speak of was aided and abetted by just as many establishment dems as republicans (Obama has been a great friend to the fracking industry and look at what Ed Rendell did in PA...). It's ignorant and naive to sit there and listen to the establishment Dems decry the koch brothers as they take millions and millions of dollars from the extraction industry.

I've been hearing a lot lately about what a great job Obama has done with the economy and how some would love another Clinton term. Again - naive. It's the price of oil and gas that have given us this minor economic boost (if it is even a boost), not the President's or even Congress' doing - except to the extent they've allowed unchecked drilling for the last 8 years.

 

[Michchamp]

This guy is nothing more than a sneaky miserable Koch Kocksuckers Brothers errand boy cutting union pensions of state, police, firemen, teachers retirees.
The republicans create the state(s) to be in the red $$$ and then they go to take monies from retirees who are in their 60's and older who can't work fulltime, or some even part time, who are dependent on that fixed income pension.

This is the dirty shit the Kochsucker brothers do along with a myriad of laws they are able to implement in many states with a lacky piece of shit governor.
Then there was something he got caught at, I forget. and still the dumb fucks in Wisconsin voted for him.

None of these guys like this fuckhead wisconsin governor the past 2 elections the f'n republicans voted for to run against Obama will have a chance against Hillary if she is to be the Democrats nominee.
More I read about her and how she is for the TPP and a couple of other things, well, she is the lesser of the evils either party nominates for the 2016 elections.

I try to stay out of this shithouse of aruments, because you can't change a persons feeling about either party, much like religion, or color of skin, and there's always one or two who will try to suck you into an argument to see and explain to you/me there beliefs are correct.

I am for everyone to not be subjected to these kinds of tactics.
Even Snyder in Michigan put the state and cities into having a group to run their cities, and the people's rights to vote on new laws that take poor/low income programs away don't have a voice.

Don't give me that bullshit that there are way too many on the programs who are doing it illegally. That is a small percentage and because of that they want to end it for the other 98% of them.

Preach on, brother.

It's crazy the Right can continue the hand waving about Unions to excuse their actions... Michigan and Wisconsin are now right-to-work states... let that sink in. Union membership has been declining for decades now, yet if you believe certain people, they're still this big all powerful bogeyman keeping hard working people out of the work force.

It's equally nuts someone could honestly label Obama or Hillary Clinton socialists, or even consider them leftist when they're both in the tank for the TPP. Such people's opinions are easy to dismiss.

That's about all you can say for Hillary Clinton in this election... at least she's not Scott Walker or Jeb Bush, but she's definitely not progressive, and hardly liberal.

 

[Michchamp]

and Unions...

two things:

1.) Yes, unions contribute a lot of money to elections, but I think it's only fair to put this into context.

In the Wisconsin recall election, Walker easily outspent Barrett, even taking into account the union money. And Barrett's money was at least mostly from in-state unions... something like 2/3's of Walker's $30MM+ came from outside the state. How is that fair?

It's not clear to me (without doing further research) exactly what the final count was, but Walker's direct spending beat Barrett $30MM to $4MM. Both HuffPo and USAToday reported this. The HuffPo article reports that Unions also spent $20MM in the election, and presumably most of that support went to Barrett, since Walker was screwing their members. It's not clear if Walker's $30MM takes into account Koch-bros-like Super PAC spending in his favor, or that would be extra.

2.) at least unions are speaking on behalf of their members... not the narrow business interests of a corporation, or a handful of billionaires.

You have to acknowledge how incongruous it is that a couple of oligarchs can essentially outspend unions that have millions of members. That doesn't strike you as unfair in a representative democracy (or at least what is supposed to be a representative democracy)?

 

[Spartanmack]

two things:

1.) Yes, unions contribute a lot of money to elections, but I think it's only fair to put this into context.

In the Wisconsin recall election, Walker easily outspent Barrett, even taking into account the union money. And Barrett's money was at least mostly from in-state unions... something like 2/3's of Walker's $30MM+ came from outside the state. How is that fair?

It's not clear to me (without doing further research) exactly what the final count was, but Walker's direct spending beat Barrett $30MM to $4MM. Both HuffPo and USAToday reported this. The HuffPo article reports that Unions also spent $20MM in the election, and presumably most of that support went to Barrett, since Walker was screwing their members. It's not clear if Walker's $30MM takes into account Koch-bros-like Super PAC spending in his favor, or that would be extra.

2.) at least unions are speaking on behalf of their members... not the narrow business interests of a corporation, or a handful of billionaires.

You have to acknowledge how incongruous it is that a couple of oligarchs can essentially outspend unions that have millions of members. That doesn't strike you as unfair in a representative democracy (or at least what is supposed to be a representative democracy)?

1) I haven't verified your data but even if it's true, it's one election. Regional and state level elections are impacted by out of state money all the time. How many candidates outside California has Harvey Weinstein, Tom Steyer, etc raised gobs of money for? The problem is widespread and it doesn't favor conservatives anymore than it does Democrats.

2) I don't believe unions represent or speak on behalf of their members. I believe there was a time that we needed unions but I think now they are among the most corrupt and detrimental organizations in the country and they actually do a disservice to American workers. Also, their are plenty of Americans who don't like the undue influence unions have over elections who don't have the means that the Koch brothers have. And that's probably true of other initiatives they fund. To say their PAC represents the views of only 2 rich guys is simply incorrect.