Looting and violence in NC

[tomdalton22]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/us/charlotte-protests/index.html

 

[Michchamp]

yep. looting and violence in NC. totally random too. good thing the brave men and women of the police are there to restore order.

 

[Spartanmack]

yep. looting and violence in NC. totally random too. good thing the brave men and women of the police are there to restore order.

you know it's not random - it's completely justified. The greater the outrage and violence, the more legitimate in your eyes. Armed man refusing police orders shot by cops - another obvious case of police brutality and excessive use of force. Facts be damned! Cops are racist (even though both people involved in this shooting were black - again, facts be damned, you have a narrative to push)

 

[byco42]

It was peaceful for a bit and turned violent when the sun went down.

 

[gotime909]

Glad I left there when I did. I was down there for a wedding the past week and left Tuesday morning.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Should we just start one single Black Lives Matter/Another Guy Shot by Police Leads to Another Riot thread and then another Another Terrorist Attack Thread Probably Some Radical Islamic Inspired by ISIS and then just post about all the events related to these on those two threads as such events continue to happen?

Much easier to use somebody's own words against them when everything is all on one thread rather than sifting through all the different threads related to each individual event?

Oh, yeah, how about one Another Psycho Mass Killer Once Again Proves The Need for More Gun Control/Proves the Need for More Concealed Carry Permits and the Need to Eliminate Gun Free Zones?

 

[Monster]

The media is completely out of control. Last night, a civilian attempted to kill another civilian and it was reported as cop kills protester. Of course this fueled the crowd and as the info was passed along, the story was distorted even more. I saw tweets about how the cop pulled the person from the crowd and executed them for no reason. I can understand why they'd be so angry after that shit. The media needs to be held to a higher standard.

Killed so far this year (according to The Guardian's up to date stats)

White: 387 (581 last year)
Black: 194 (306 last year)
Hispanic: 130
Asian/Pac Isl: 15
Native American: 15

Females:

White: 25
Black: 9
Hispanic: 2

Yes, I realize that black people are being killed at a higher rate. If you account for violent crime committed, in which black males make up nearly 50%, the numbers are pretty easy to understand.

How many of those white people have you seen in the media? Do you know any names? How many times have people thrown a fit that they were unarmed or mentally ill? How many times did the media trot white people onto their shows talking about how this is an epidemic and that the violence against whitey has to stop? FUCKING NEVER.

Black guy gets killed, false rumors fly, everyone jumps to conclusions, protests pop up and cops are attacked. This is the BLM movement in a nutshell. Ignore the larger number of white deaths and take the much smaller number and call it oppression.

That Crutcher guy was killed because he was non compliant and tried to open the door to his vehicle. Sure, his hands were up, but he was walking away from the officer as she was commanding him to get on his knees. Then, he very clearly had his left hand up while his right hand was either trying to open the door or (if it was open) reach into the window. What the Hell is the cop supposed to do? If she stuns him and he is on drugs (as is alleged) he could easily shake it off, grab a gun inside the door and kill her. Go look on Youtube. There are plenty of times that this has happened.

The Charlotte man who died was probably killed because he pointed his gun at officers who were trying to arrest him or he was reaching for the weapon. The media and family reported that he was just reading a book. No book was found and there is an image of a gun floating around there right after he's been shot. Doesn't matter. BLM and their supporters don't take time to verify the story or wait for facts. Oh, and the cop who shot him was black. It's still racism, though.

I'm sick of this shit. Report all deaths and none of this is an issue. Report only the facts and we don't have looting and rioting. The media is to blame here.

 

[Michchamp]

there have been protests for white people unjustifiably killed by police, as well as media coverage of the incidents. the protests don't tend to get as out of control as some others, but then again this is an apples to oranges comparison, since there are more unjustifiable shootings of African Americans, and white communities aren't constantly subjected to the sort of police abuses uncovered in Ferguson, MO, or "Stop and Frisk" when it was happening in NYC.

the question you should be asking: WHY are these policies disproportionally affecting African Americans?

 

[Monster]

there have been protests for white people unjustifiably killed by police, as well as media coverage of the incidents. the protests don't tend to get as out of control as some others, but then again this is an apples to oranges comparison, since there are more unjustifiable shootings of African Americans, and white communities aren't constantly subjected to the sort of police abuses uncovered in Ferguson, MO, or "Stop and Frisk" when it was happening in NYC.

the question you should be asking: WHY are these policies disproportionally affecting African Americans?

Take the overall attitude toward cops by black people and add the fact that the black crime rate is higher than any other race.

Black deaths account for between 25% and 30% of all police shootings. Black people commit about 50% of the violent crime in this country. They make up about 16% of the total population. To be honest, it's surprising that there aren't more deaths.

 

[Spartanmack]

there have been protests for white people unjustifiably killed by police, as well as media coverage of the incidents. the protests don't tend to get as out of control as some others, but then again this is an apples to oranges comparison, since there are more unjustifiable shootings of African Americans, and white communities aren't constantly subjected to the sort of police abuses uncovered in Ferguson, MO, or "Stop and Frisk" when it was happening in NYC.

the question you should be asking: WHY are these policies disproportionally affecting African Americans?

do you have data to show there are more unjustifiable shooting of black people than there are of whites? How about some data that indicates the policies disproportionately affect blacks? And does your data show this to be true after accounting for crime rates by ethnicity?

 

[byco42]

there have been protests for white people unjustifiably killed by police, as well as media coverage of the incidents. the protests don't tend to get as out of control as some others, but then again this is an apples to oranges comparison, since there are more unjustifiable shootings of African Americans, and white communities aren't constantly subjected to the sort of police abuses uncovered in Ferguson, MO, or "Stop and Frisk" when it was happening in NYC.

the question you should be asking: WHY are these policies disproportionally affecting African Americans?

Eight African-American males have been shot and killed by police in 2016 in NC.
Seven were armed with a gun and refused to comply with the order to drop the weapon and/or were active shooters. The eighth attempted to take the officer's gun in struggle. I wonder why this latest incident was the one that triggered the "protests." There has been one police shooting/death each in June, July, August and September in NC and the fourth this year in Charlotte.

14 white men have been shot and killed by police in NC in 2016. Nine had a gun, two had a knife one had a baseball bat and two were unarmed.

 

[Gulo Blue]

since there are more unjustifiable shootings of African Americans

You got me looking for stats on this. What counts as unjustified would lead to an argument over each data point, but I want to look to see what's out there anyway.

THIS list allows filtering.

For unarmed shootings: 32 white, 38 black.

For threat level there's 'attack in progress', 'other', and 'undetermined'. If we throw out 'attack in progress', and look at the other two, there's 100 white and 75 black.

If we look for unarmed AND throw out 'attack in progress' there's 18 white and 23 black.

There is a tremendous difference in the 'signs of mental illness' filter. 156 white, 39 black.

There's also a difference in age with 38% of whites shot being over 45 years old and 13% of blacks shot.

Of course you can also argue that race influences the reports these descriptions are based on.

There's more out there to look at, but this is the first link I found.

 

[byco42]

Local clergy in CLT are organizing a protest tonight at the Omni hotel.

 

[Sbee]

I'll wait until this case is investigated before I lay blame on the deceased or the officer. The police said that he was holding a gun, an eyewitness said that he was holding a book. The sad thing is that someone lost their life and a family is decimated.

The anger from the community may or may not be justified in respect to this particular incident, but this is likely a very heavy straw landing on the back of a camel. Our drug laws and policing policies including civil forfeiture and the trampling of the 4th amendment leads to the climate that creates these disturbances.

 

[Michchamp]

it's fucked up how people fall all over themselves to justify police shootings.

the amount of posts/comments I've read here and in other places saying "well follow police instructions and you won't get shot" or some variation thereof. wait a minute, when did the police acquire the right to summarily execute people?

it's kinda like the screeching headlines about whether that nutjob who planted a bomb in NYC deserves a right to the due process of law. of course he does. everyone our government charges with a crime or seizes property from deserves to be afforded the due process of law. we put that in place almost 250 years ago because they realized it was really awful to live without it.

there are a lot... like A LOT of retarded Americans in need of a remedial high school government course.

 

[deathroh]

...the amount of posts/comments I've read here and in other places saying "well follow police instructions and you won't get shot" or some variation thereof. wait a minute, when did the police acquire the right to summarily execute people?...

Well if you're carrying a weapon and the instruction is to drop your weapon.....yeah, listen to the fucking instructions.

 

[deathroh]

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There is a tremendous difference in the 'signs of mental illness' filter. 156 white, 39 black.

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That's pretty interesting. Definitely seems to be a benefit of a doubt provided unequally.

crazy vs. crazy ass mofo trying to kill me

 

[Michchamp]

Well if you're carrying a weapon and the instruction is to drop your weapon.....yeah, listen to the fucking instructions.

since I never argued that all police shootings are unjustified, I figured that kinda stuff went without saying, but thanks for clarifying.

but since you mention it, even then there's a gray area where I would say cops are still to trigger happy... "carrying a gun" doesn't necessarily mean I'm in a position to pose eminent harm to anyone. and people have been shot while trying to comply or after having cops scream conflicting instructions at them.

but sure, if I'm pointing a loaded gun at someone, or at the cops and they tell me to drop it, and I don't, they'd be justified in shooting me. even shooting me 60 times.

 

[Spartanmack]

it's fucked up how people fall all over themselves to justify police shootings.

wouldn't it be so much easier if everyone jumped to the conclusion that cops were racist and guilty of murder every time a black person was shot?

Is it not f'd up how many people fall over themselves to accuse police of excessive force and racism before the evidence is known about police shootings?

 

[Michchamp]

wouldn't it be so much easier if everyone jumped to the conclusion that cops were racist and guilty of murder every time a black person was shot?

Is it not f'd up how many people fall over themselves to accuse police of excessive force and racism before the evidence is known about police shootings?

I am an understanding person, so I know you have to make shit up to justify your position since you're on thin (racist) ice here, so to speak. because I am so understanding, I'll just pretend you made a point and move on.

In other news, the police chief in the NC case said video doesn't show absolutely positively incontrovertible evidence the suspect had a gun. Odd way of phrasing it, but I guess that sounds better than "Our officers might be lying to cover their asses." and he still won't release the video, although I guess they will show his family.