Luis Gonzalez

[tomdalton22]

He was on MLB radio today and they were talking PED use. He was talking about how they should clean up the game. He even had the balls to say something to the effect "I wish it were clean when I had my 57 HR season" implying that he was clean. There is NO WAY that POS was clean! In the heart of the steroid era this puke had one season where he had 26 more HRs than ANY other season in his 19 year career. He only had 4 other seasons where he had more than 25 HRs. What a joke!

 

[Mitchrapp]

People say sometimes guys can have a career year. Gonzalez though was 100% on 'roids.

 

[byco42]

If these players like Gonzalez are so "serious" about "cleaning up" the "game," why were the players who WERE clean AT THE TIME that ROIDS were RAGING not STANDING UP and pointing our the players who were USING THEM LIKE TUMS?

Their statements of today ... Scherzer's included ... ring hollow, now that MLB is taking the action that it should have taken 20 years ago.

 

[Thumb]

People say sometimes guys can have a career year. Gonzalez though was 100% on 'roids.

Again, people jumping to conclusions without ANY evidence at all.

 

[byco42]

Again, people jumping to conclusions without ANY evidence at all.

Gonzalez's HR's

23, 26, 31, 57, 28, 26 ... There's reasonable cause for suspicion that he was on PEDs in 2001.

We know that Karim Garcia wasn't.

 

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Gonzalez's HR's

23, 26, 31, 57, 28, 26 ... There's reasonable cause for suspicion that he was on PEDs in 2001.

We know that Karim Garcia wasn't.

Reasonable suspicion and "100% on 'roids" are two very different things.

It also seems strange he took them for only 1 year than just stopped?

Fluke seasons happen, they have happened all throughout baseball history, everything can't be attributed to 'roids.

In 1920 Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs, exactly double the highest total in the previous 49 years. If that happened today people would scream 'roids without ever giving it a second thought.

 

[byco42]

Reasonable suspicion and "100% on 'roids" are two very different things.

It also seems strange he took them for only 1 year than just stopped?

Fluke seasons happen, they have happened all throughout baseball history, everything can't be attributed to 'roids.

In 1920 Babe Ruth hit 54 home runs, exactly double the highest total in the previous 49 years. If that happened today people would scream 'roids without ever giving it a second thought.

There was that matter of the dead-ball/live-ball transition that took place in the year 1920.

 

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There was that matter of the dead-ball/live-ball transition that took place in the year 1920.

I know. I'm just pointing out how there are other factors besides 'roids that can be attributed to peak and fluke numbers.

People everywhere assume Jose Bautista is on 'roids, but he made a major mechanical change before he started posting big numbers. Austin Jackson did as well before last season and had career numbers, yet with Austin it was the mechanical change, with Bautista it was PED's.

People don't look for reasons anymore, it's too easy to just call someone a roider.

 

[byco42]

I know. I'm just pointing out how there are other factors besides 'roids that can be attributed to peak and fluke numbers.

Seems that the fluke numbers in this instance were occurring before 1920. Once the baseball got to the standards of the rest of the equipment, things balanced out.

People everywhere assume Jose Bautista is on 'roids, but he made a major mechanical change before he started posting big numbers. Austin Jackson did as well before last season and had career numbers, yet with Austin it was the mechanical change, with Bautista it was PED's.

People don't look for reasons anymore, it's too easy to just call someone a roider.

I've never considered Bautista as a roider, personally.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You sudden hit a ton of home runs and then year after year you continue to hit a ton of home runs, ala Ruth - is one thing. But 57 after a high of 31 and then in the 20's after his monstrous years pulls up red flags.

 

[Rebbiv]

I personally don't believe he took them. But I have no proof one way or the other. There are people who believe the lunar landing to be a hoax.

 

[SpartyNash]

That's unfair to Luis Gonzalez. Was he in the Mitchell Report? No. Was he in that 2003 list? Maybe, but we don't know for sure. It's like the Chris Davis stuff going on right now, that's a BS move to accuse the guy of steroids until it comes out from a supplier, teammate, etc.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I personally don't believe he took them. But I have no proof one way or the other. There are people who believe the lunar landing to be a hoax.

You know McGwire was never proved guilty. He stayed quiet. Did you believe in him before he came clean? You had no suspicion?

 

[tomdalton22]

That's unfair to Luis Gonzalez. Was he in the Mitchell Report? No. Was he in that 2003 list? Maybe, but we don't know for sure. It's like the Chris Davis stuff going on right now, that's a BS move to accuse the guy of steroids until it comes out from a supplier, teammate, etc.

No it isn't. A lot of these players either did PED's or knew about it and didn't do anything. Louis Gonzalez had one huge year right in the middle of the steroid era. Only a fool would think he wasn't using.

 

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You know McGwire was never proved guilty. He stayed quiet. Did you believe in him before he came clean? You had no suspicion?

McGwire never hid the fact he was using androstenedione back in his record breaking days. It just was not banned at that time.

 

[Mitchrapp]

McGwire never hid the fact he was using androstenedione back in his record breaking days. It just was not banned at that time.

Then why didn't he speak up at congress..

 

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Then why didn't he speak up at congress..

It was a wall of silence, he didn't want to implicate other guys who he shared and recommended it to.

Canseco was the only guy wanting to point fingers.

 

[SpartyNash]

No it isn't. A lot of these players either did PED's or knew about it and didn't do anything. Louis Gonzalez had one huge year right in the middle of the steroid era. Only a fool would think he wasn't using.

I'm not saying he was clean, because I would not be shocked in the least if he were on it. But I won't assume he is guilty because he's in that era, just like I will not assume Piazza or Bagwell were dirty, but again I would not be shocked if they were using at one point.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I'd put about a 95% certainty on Luis Gonzalez being a juicer. Look at his stats, he was pretty mediocre until he was about 31y/o, then suddenly became a stud for the next five years. You don't usually start hitting 40pts higher and and doubling your RBI and HR output at that age without some extra help, especially when you've got 8-9yrs of MLB track record behind you. Also, I'm pretty sure he was rumored to be in the '03 positive tests and the D'backs ownership alluded to him testing positive as well. He also doesn't pass the eye test for me... http://www.depressedfan.com/images/luisgonzalez1220.jpg

 

[Mitchrapp]

Tom is right about one thing, players whether they took them or not knew who did. Coaches and managers as well..they didn't hide it very well back then.

I guarantee one thing, of the players who have come out and spoke about these latest suspensions - someone in this group will be found guilty themselves. It always happens.