Lynch???

[inkfreq]

Take a guy that who maybe one day starts here and if he fails, it's easier to replace and try again because of the money.

If I were an NFL GM, and clearly I am not, I would use a 5th-7th round pick every single year on a QB.

There is always one or two guys drafted in that range that don't make the team, so I don't feel I am wasting a pick, but if gives me better odds of finding that guy I can develop. I always have a QB tucked away on my practice squad, and three on my roster.

Odds of finding that Tom Brady in the mix are thin, but every year there is a Tyrod Taylor or a Ryan Fitzpatrick that come out of those 6th and 7th rounds that give you a few years of quality production. And every so often, you hit the jackpot.

For my money, QB in football is like a starting pitcher in baseball.. the more of them you draft, the better your odds of finding that ace in an unlikely spot. Drafting one every year is not a waste, and they always have value enough to justify it.

 

[zyxt9]

I've considered Travis Wilson too. Not opposed since he is projected in late rounds. Better than Lynch IMO, who benefits from playing lesser teams, but did have a solid game vs Ole Miss. Still, what I watched yesterday (because I'm a Navy fan) showed me Lynch is not as polished as many have claimed. Wilson is more likely capable of making plays with his legs and I love his toughness. Lynch seemed more wishy-washy than I hoped. Do to all the hype, I expected him to torch Navy all game like he did in first drive.

 

[inkfreq]

I've considered Travis Wilson too. Not opposed since he is projected in late rounds. Better than Lynch IMO, who benefits from playing lesser teams, but did have a solid game vs Ole Miss. Still, what I watched yesterday (because I'm a Navy fan) showed me Lynch is not as polished as many have claimed. Wilson is more likely capable of making plays with his legs and I love his toughness. Lynch seemed more wishy-washy than I hoped. Do to all the hype, I expected him to torch Navy all game like he did in first drive.

I'm with you in that I am a Navy fan. I watched the game as well. The Midshipmen should not have been able to do what they did. Lynch is not as "NFL Ready" as many people think.

He's a project. Sit him behind a good QB for three years, and he can be successful. Throw him to the wolves his rookie year, and bad things will happen. He will lose his confidence before he gets rolling.

 

[mhughes0021]

That's the only way I see Stafford gone. The Rapaport tweets that he could be cut... total bullshit.

I see no way Stafford is cut, but if someone gives us a first and a third, Cutler style, I can see him traded. But you still won't get a better QB out of this draft.

Id honestly be surprised if we could get a 3rd for his contract. Houston may be the only ones dumb enough to do it.

 

[inkfreq]

Id honestly be surprised if we could get a 3rd for his contract. Houston may be the only ones dumb enough to do it.

Believe it or not, his contract is not bad in the scope of the game now.

There are obviously a few QBs who make more than he does. But the bigger factor is the QB's hitting free agency in the next three years.

Flacco and Cutler set new bars for QB, Romo joined in, Stafford added to it, etc... Guys like Brees, Manning, Luck.Geno, Tyrod, etc.. are all hitting free agency in 2017. And QB contracts will escalate again, upwards of $25Mm as a standard.

The following year you have Stafford, Palmer, Brady, Foles, Manziel, Bridgwater, Carr, Garoppolo, Mettenberger all hitting free agency.

Inside the next three years we will see an explosion at the position of QBs where salary is concerned. Everyone knows it, and teams are looking for those guys they can nab for under $30Mm per year, which is where the bar is headed, for a few years beyond the initial explosion.

It's not just the number of free agents fueling it either. It's the rising revenue in the NFL, which is lifting the salary cap in leaps and bounds, and then the salary floor increasing with it. Teams are just finding new ways to push new money on old familiar players because they have to.

 

[Mitchrapp]

UFA 2018. So 2 years with Matt, certainly a tradable QB at this time. Just no restructures or resigns. Draft a guy, he sits for 2 years & 2018 he starts.

 

[Mitchrapp]

In-fact only 5.5m dead money in 2017. So you could get rid of him after next season.

 

[mhughes0021]

Believe it or not, his contract is not bad in the scope of the game now.

There are obviously a few QBs who make more than he does. But the bigger factor is the QB's hitting free agency in the next three years.

Flacco and Cutler set new bars for QB, Romo joined in, Stafford added to it, etc... Guys like Brees, Manning, Luck.Geno, Tyrod, etc.. are all hitting free agency in 2017. And QB contracts will escalate again, upwards of $25Mm as a .

The model seems to work better when you can pay a cheap over performing rookie chump change and put the 100 million into other needs of the team. Seattle is a perfect example. Have to pay Wilson. ...lose half your defense and poof....youre not as good.

 

[inkfreq]

The model seems to work better when you can pay a cheap over performing rookie chump change and put the 100 million into other needs of the team. Seattle is a perfect example. Have to pay Wilson. ...lose half your defense and poof....youre not as good.

That is the EXACT reason I don't want to drop a 1st rounder into a QB. Not only am I not a fan of overpaying for a QB, I'm not a fan of overdrafting one.

The best route to a title is still a dominant defense. If you can keep another team off the board, you don't have to score much.

I'm still a believer in drafting defense and signing free agent offense.

If you're built to win a shoot-out, every game is a 50/50 prospect. If you are built to score some, but keep the other team from scoring much at all, your odds go way up.

 

[cheeno]

That is the EXACT reason I don't want to drop a 1st rounder into a QB. Not only am I not a fan of overpaying for a QB, I'm not a fan of overdrafting one.

The best route to a title is still a dominant defense. If you can keep another team off the board, you don't have to score much.

I'm still a believer in drafting defense and signing free agent offense.

If you're built to win a shoot-out, every game is a 50/50 prospect. If you are built to score some, but keep the other team from scoring much at all, your odds go way up.

Don't draft one in the first then. Andy Dalton and Derek Carr are both second rounders. Russell Wilson is a third round guy. All play for teams with good run games and good defense.

 

[inkfreq]

Don't draft one in the first then. Andy Dalton and Derek Carr are both second rounders. Russell Wilson is a third round guy. All play for teams with good run games and good defense.

I'm on board.

 

[kdp1980]

Oline:mess, Dline:mess, Lbs:mess, Secondary:mess. I don't think a qb should even be in play until they fix some of their GLARING needs. Even if it's just this upcoming draft, I want to see the Lions draft needs, not wants

 

[Mitchrapp]

Oline:mess, Dline:mess, Lbs:mess, Secondary:mess. I don't think a qb should even be in play until they fix some of their GLARING needs. Even if it's just this upcoming draft, I want to see the Lions draft needs, not wants

With only 2 years left for Matt, as far as guaranteed money owed.. I think they need to draft a QB at some point.

 

[dubbsco]

QB is not a want. It's the most important position on the field. And the guy on the team right now cannot get it done.

If it's not a 1st-rounder, then it better be 2nd. The drop off after the first few is massive. You will probably end up with a guy like Cardale Jones or Christian Hackenburg, both of whom are just not that good.

 

[zyxt9]

Yeah, it's a damn shame there has never been a QB worth a damn drafted after Round 2.

- Tom Brady

 

[dubbsco]

There's a reason Tom Brady is spoken about as such a freak of nature. For every Tom Brady (which there's basically very few who did what he did from that position), I can name you Steve Young (1st), Montana (3rd), Manning (1st), Brees (2nd), Aikman (1st), Roethsliberger (1st), Rodgers (1st), Marino (1st), Elway (1st)...

Well yeah, that about covers it.

 

[dubbsco]

So in other words, unless you get insanely lucky (winning the lottery) with a Tom Brady-type QB, you have to draft a QB early if you want him to succeed.

 

[kdp1980]

QB is not a want. It's the most important position on the field. And the guy on the team right now cannot get it done.

If it's not a 1st-rounder, then it better be 2nd. The drop off after the first few is massive. You will probably end up with a guy like Cardale Jones or Christian Hackenburg, both of whom are just not that good.

I solid backup qb is more of a need than a replacement. If they go qb early in the draft and dump Stafford, I expect next year to be similar to this year. The blind hatred of Stafford has made you all blind, and ignorant. I'd HATE to see a qb taken in the 1st 3 rounds. Dline, oline, cb in no particular order, with help added in FA. They should be thinking about a safety too, imo

 

[zyxt9]

The problem with the "top" QBs in this year's draft is that not a single one looks NFL Ready, able to step in on Day 1 and get the job done.

Lions can draft any of the top guys and it will be viewed as a huge improvement. It doesn't matter the position, except maybe K and QB...because not a single prospect coming out right now looks to be better than Stafford. So easy to say Stafford sucks and go draft a QB with the #1 pick...but if you actually look at the QB talent coming out this year, you recognize there will be a considerable drop off in QB play regardless of which QB comes in.

Find one that has potential to actually be an NFL QB after a year or two of practices and study. And make sure the guy is a film rat!!!

 

[dubbsco]

I really get tired of that "Well, who's better than Stafford?" argument. If you have that mentality, why would you change ANY position?

This guy has had PLENTY of time to get it done. He's HAD good lines before. One year, he did just fine with it (2011). The other, he was not good (2013). He's living off one dominant year, and he's consistently regressed since then. The SAME flaws he had at Georgia... They haven't gone away! I bet you could watch film of him his 3rd year at Georgia compared to what he is now and he'd look exactly the same.

Draft your QB early, and get the process started now. Because if you don't, you are stuck with this guy for awhile, and that's been proven to not work.