Lynch???

[zyxt9]

everyone does agree that a QB needs to be drafted though. not a single person will argue that point. but they will likely need at least 1 year before being able to replace Stafford, more likely they will need at least 2. even AR sat the bench for 3 years behind Favre, so it can take time for these guys to develop.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Im fine with that, this just isn't the year. Way to many holes, elsewhere. Why draft a franchise qb with subpar oline? We made that mistake with Stafford. Getting killed in your rookie year because of a terrible oline is not a good career start for a young qb. Fill those wholes and get this team equipped to win, then draft a franchise qb. Make his transition an easier one

Who says we have to draft a 1st round guy? I just want a consistent QB that's not a complete goof. And who says we have to play him right away? Assuming Matt doesn't play beyond 2017, we need someone sooner than later. Hopefully a new GM can draft well but we've taken quite a few OL players in recent pass and look where we are?

I'm partly positive with a better coaching staff our current OL could be better.

 

[zyxt9]

im fine with that, this just isn't the year. Way to many holes, elsewhere. Why draft a franchise qb with subpar oline? We made that mistake with stafford. Getting killed in your rookie year because of a terrible oline is not a good career start for a young qb. Fill those wholes and get this team equipped to win, then draft a franchise qb. Make his transition as a starter an easier one, having to play lights out every game in order to have a chance to win is not what i want to have to see. This is what stafford was thrown into, and it's just the wrong way.

100%

 

[Mitchrapp]

2013, our OL ranked well. Since Caldwell and co, it stinks. Maybe its the coaching and not the players?

 

[kdp1980]

2013, our OL ranked well. Since Caldwell and co, it stinks. Maybe its the coaching and not the players?

Swanson wasn't here, Waddle played well. Isn't the consensus that Reiff should move to the right side?

 

[zyxt9]

Let's just look at the 2000 Draft QBs
1. Chad Pennington - Marshall - NYJ R1 #18
2. Giovanni Carmazzi - Hofstra - SF R3 #65
3. Chris Redman - Louisville - Bal R3 #75
4. Tee Martin - Tennessee - Pit R5 #163
5. Marc Bulger - West Virginia - NO R6 #168
6. Spergon Wynn - Texas St - Cle R6 #183

This was probably the worst QB class of all time, yet Brady was #7 QB taken and balances things out...otherwise it WOULD be the worst QB class ever. Has there ever been another class where the 1st QB taken was the #18 overall pick? LOL And there is some measure of quality that came from Pennington, he wasn't the worst QB ever...but had the unfortunate disadvantage of playing for the Jets while the Pats had Brady which is going to make any QB look worse.

This year, Lynch and Goff are the 2 constantly mentioned. Neither plays against great defenses. COULD one of them become a solid QB in the NFL...anything could happen. Just feels like the best QB in this draft is another late round pick. Safest play is to pick up a late round QB while filling other voids, let the kid learn, let Stafford's contract run out and MAYBE he actually improves under a new coach while the hopeful gem has time to develop.

 

[zyxt9]

I'm actually surprised Mitch is backing the late round QB option. He's been pretty tough on Stafford even before this year so I would have figured he would be for getting a QB with the 1st pick.

 

[zyxt9]

Swanson wasn't here, Waddle played well. Isn't the consensus that Reiff should move to the right side?

Well, either that or he needs to return to playing his drafted position, FB. ;P

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm actually surprised Mitch is backing the late round QB option. He's been pretty tough on Stafford even before this year so I would have figured he would be for getting a QB with the 1st pick.

I'd give SF a late round pick for Colin Kaepernick to replace Matt. That's how much I want someone new. But it doesn't need to be a 1st round guy ..

 

[zyxt9]

I'd give SF a late round pick for Colin Kaepernick to replace Matt. That's how much I want someone new. But it doesn't need to be a 1st round guy ..

I really like that idea. SF is a dumpster fire, even worse than Detroit IMO. Maybe they would do a straight up trade between the 2 QBs if they want? Maybe Detroit should play with them a little and try to get SF to trade up to get the QB they want, so Detroit says "we need Colin and your #1 pick". then you have Colin and Stafford, then draft the late round QB. that would be a win for Detroit IMO. Colin can be very good, and is obviously a much more mobile option. Then if one guy is sucking, have a decent backup.

Oh to dream! lol

 

[Mitchrapp]

I really like that idea. SF is a dumpster fire, even worse than Detroit IMO. Maybe they would do a straight up trade between the 2 QBs if they want? Maybe Detroit should play with them a little and try to get SF to trade up to get the QB they want, so Detroit says "we need Colin and your #1 pick". then you have Colin and Stafford, then draft the late round QB. that would be a win for Detroit IMO. Colin can be very good, and is obviously a much more mobile option. Then if one guy is sucking, have a decent backup.

Oh to dream! lol

He's had one half of a season that's not so good. But the first three years, Colin Kaepernick has been pretty good for the most part.

 

[dubbsco]

There's one big problem with Kapernick: he can't throw the ball. Peaked really early, and is now having the same trajectory that Stafford has.

 

[Mitchrapp]

There's one big problem with Kapernick: he can't throw the ball. Peaked really early, and is now having the same trajectory that Stafford has.

He's had more success than Matt. He still is being paid a lot but I'd still take him. As long as Matt is traded. And if Matt gets the "OL and offense and OC is anemic" remarks.. SF is much worse.

 

[brewer229]

I really like that idea. SF is a dumpster fire, even worse than Detroit IMO. Maybe they would do a straight up trade between the 2 QBs if they want? Maybe Detroit should play with them a little and try to get SF to trade up to get the QB they want, so Detroit says "we need Colin and your #1 pick". then you have Colin and Stafford, then draft the late round QB. that would be a win for Detroit IMO. Colin can be very good, and is obviously a much more mobile option. Then if one guy is sucking, have a decent backup.

Oh to dream! lol

I couldn't think of a worse idea then that. 34.4 million in cap hit wrapped up in the QB position and we still wouldn't have an above average QB on this team.

But damn could we win a hardest throwing competition.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You have to wonder, SF has the balls to scrap him for pos Gabbert. We just accept mediocricy.

 

[zyxt9]

I couldn't think of a worse idea then that. 34.4 million in cap hit wrapped up in the QB position and we still wouldn't have an above average QB on this team.

But damn could we win a hardest throwing competition.

you're right, wasn't thinking about the cap hit (I really hate the salary cap, but I understand why it is there)

straight trade, Stafford for Colin.

at least Colin can run when the OL breaks down. his accuracy is obviously off, but a good QB coach / HC should be able to get him back to throwing well.

nothing is a guarantee. hell, the new coach might actually get through to Stafford and make him an elite QB. Caldwell is incapable of coaching up players, but maybe the next coach will and something finally clicks for Stafford.

 

[kdp1980]

The only thing I have left to say is, that, if they do replace Stafford, it better work and it must be better. Drafting an early round qb that is worse than what we've got now would be it for me.

 

[zyxt9]

pretty sure even Martha would support trying to get Stafford's replacement on the team asap though. Stafford has to understand this would be his last chance to win anything worth a damn.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The only thing I have left to say is, that, if they do replace Stafford, it better work and it must be better. Drafting an early round qb that is worse than what we've got now would be it for me.

But how do we know without trying. We can say these top 2-3 guys won't be as good as Matt. Based on what though? We thought Matt would be a team changer, especially 4 years ago. Who thought Wilson would be good or Brady? Who thought some no brainer's would stink?

It's a crap shoot.. Roll the dice. Who says the top 5 LT or DT will be any good either?

 

[Mitchrapp]

We thought Austin a savior because he basically took a defense over than stunk and got them to play well. Maybe Caldwell, OC etc took over a team where the OL was good and destroyed them.

And worse, at 1-7 when will they finally play them? We don't need more Tulluch. Play the recent draftees to see if they're any good. Gotta find out.