Matt Garza

[spockmaster]

I'll preface this by saying that I'd much rather see us get a middle infielder and/or another starter over a corner OF, but I'm not sure they are mutually exclusive of one another. That said, Young and Boesch have been brutal, and so have Raburn and Kelly, so we could definitely use some help out there too.

Soriano is a very poor defender too. He's right on par with Boesch and Young in terms of having a negative dWAR. He's slightly better offensively, but not by a very large margin. Look at his last four seasons of stats and don't get caught up with the name. In that span of time, he's a below average player just like Young and Boesch are. Beyond all that, he's paid a TON of money. Soriano is about the last thing we need on this team. I'd much rather have DeJesus than Soriano.

One guy who might be a decent get if he can stay off the DL is Carlos Quentin. He's also a poor defender, but his bat seems to make up for that. He's got a career .845 OPS which is considerably better than Soriano, Young, DeJesus or Boesch. If (huge IF) he can stay healthy, he's a 30HR/100RBI guy. I'd deal with the same level of poor defense you'd get from Young or Boesch from one of the corner OF spots if we got the added offense Quentin would provide. Again, not ideal, but he'd be an improvement over the slugs out there now.

Another guy who could be interesting would be Francouer. He's a decent all around player who plays nearly every day, he's got a rocket launcher for an arm, and he knows AL pitching well. If he could be had cheap, I'd be for it.

lol if we got francouer he would at least stop throwing out peralta XD

 

[kingofdetroit57]

lol if we got francouer he would at least stop throwing out peralta XD

LOL, exactly.

 

[Thumb]

I'll preface this by saying that I'd much rather see us get a middle infielder and/or another starter over a corner OF, but I'm not sure they are mutually exclusive of one another. That said, Young and Boesch have been brutal, and so have Raburn and Kelly, so we could definitely use some help out there too.

Soriano is a very poor defender too. He's right on par with Boesch and Young in terms of having a negative dWAR. He's slightly better offensively, but not by a very large margin. Look at his last four seasons of stats and don't get caught up with the name. In that span of time, he's a below average player just like Young and Boesch are. Beyond all that, he's paid a TON of money. Soriano is about the last thing we need on this team. I'd much rather have DeJesus than Soriano.

One guy who might be a decent get if he can stay off the DL is Carlos Quentin. He's also a poor defender, but his bat seems to make up for that. He's got a career .845 OPS which is considerably better than Soriano, Young, DeJesus or Boesch. If (huge IF) he can stay healthy, he's a 30HR/100RBI guy. I'd deal with the same level of poor defense you'd get from Young or Boesch from one of the corner OF spots if we got the added offense Quentin would provide. Again, not ideal, but he'd be an improvement over the slugs out there now.

Another guy who could be interesting would be Francouer. He's a decent all around player who plays nearly every day, he's got a rocket launcher for an arm, and he knows AL pitching well. If he could be had cheap, I'd be for it.

If Boesch and Young were mashing, we'd all give less of a shit about their defense, because they would be making up for it at the plate. (the Miggy idea)

But, like I said we would not go after Soriano because of his salary, but please, stop telling me he's slightly better than Boesch and Young it's not close, Boesch has never posted an OPS over .800, and Young has done it 1 time. Soriano is a career .828 OPS, it's no contest.

Also Quentin and Soriano are basically same guy, both are about the same OPS+, 30 HR and 100 RBI guys, both are well below average fielders and injury prone. It's potato/potato. Quentin's advantage is salary, Soriano's is he's played all season, whole Carlos has played in 21 games.

And in terms of what we need, Corner OF way outranks middle IF or SP, corner OF is a production spot which is what we need, and unless we manage to get Cano, no middle IF spot would come close.

We could use a good vet SP, but again, it's the lowest priority, behind 2 everyday positions.

 

[Rebbiv]

I'll preface this by saying that I'd much rather see us get a middle infielder and/or another starter over a corner OF, but I'm not sure they are mutually exclusive of one another. That said, Young and Boesch have been brutal, and so have Raburn and Kelly, so we could definitely use some help out there too.

Soriano is a very poor defender too. He's right on par with Boesch and Young in terms of having a negative dWAR. He's slightly better offensively, but not by a very large margin. Look at his last four seasons of stats and don't get caught up with the name. In that span of time, he's a below average player just like Young and Boesch are. Beyond all that, he's paid a TON of money. Soriano is about the last thing we need on this team. I'd much rather have DeJesus than Soriano.

One guy who might be a decent get if he can stay off the DL is Carlos Quentin. He's also a poor defender, but his bat seems to make up for that. He's got a career .845 OPS which is considerably better than Soriano, Young, DeJesus or Boesch. If (huge IF) he can stay healthy, he's a 30HR/100RBI guy. I'd deal with the same level of poor defense you'd get from Young or Boesch from one of the corner OF spots if we got the added offense Quentin would provide. Again, not ideal, but he'd be an improvement over the slugs out there now.

Another guy who could be interesting would be Francouer. He's a decent all around player who plays nearly every day, he's got a rocket launcher for an arm, and he knows AL pitching well. If he could be had cheap, I'd be for it.

OF UZR/150 2009-2011 + RC/650 Away

DeJesus 11.4 + 77.0 = 88.4
Jackson 6.8 + 69.3 = 76.1
Raburn 5.9 + 97.1 = 103.0

Soriano 2.4 + 87.4 = 89.4
Francoeur 1.0 + 77.7 = 78.7

Boesch -7.2 + 69.6 = 62.4
Ordonez -9.5 + 66.6 = 57.1
Young -11.8 + 76.8 = 65.0
Quentin -20.1 + 85.6 = 65.5

First, Soriano is an above average LFer and his offense is just as good as Quentin. The average corner OF totals 85.0 runs (offense + defense).


I do not want Garza or Quentin. Looking at salaries, Fancoeur or DeJesus would be better than Soriano. I do not want Soriano's contract.

A 2nd half Raburn, playing in LF would be like an upgrade also.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You assume Raburn going to have a 2nd half.

 

[Rebbiv]

You assume Raburn going to have a 2nd half.

I assume nothing. However, if he does, it is like an upgrade.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I assume nothing. However, if he does, it is like an upgrade.

If. If Inge was a .400 hitter we'd still have him. Don't make trades on if.

 

[Rebbiv]

If. If Inge was a .400 hitter we'd still have him. Don't make trades on if.

Inge hasn't even been a .300 hitter, so your statement is asinine. Raburn has 3 seasons in a row of hitting better in the 2nd half. Certainly no guarantees. Which is even if we trade for player _______ (fill in the blank), there is no guarantee they will make the Tigers better. Certainly, based on past history (aka performance), you can "assume" they will.

It is all semantics.

 

[biggunsbob]

I don't like Raburn but I don't think Young or BB make that catch yesterday.. Hopefully RR will hit again but most of his power numbers were off of LHP last year in the second half... This is a good park to get him going but it looks like right now he is only going to start verses LHP and get a occasional start verses a RHS.

 

[Rebbiv]

I don't like Raburn but I don't think Young or BB make that catch yesterday.. Hopefully RR will hit again but most of his power numbers were off of LHP last year in the second half... This is a good park to get him going but it looks like right now he is only going to start verses LHP and get a occasional start verses a RHS.

Not true

Raburn 2nd half 2011

July vsR = 7 PA .000 BAVG .143 OBP .000 SLG .143 OPS
July vsL = 16 PA .429 BAVG .500 OBP .714 SLG 1.214 OPS

AUG vs R = 42 PA .350 BAVG .366 OBP .600 SLG .966 OPS
AUG vs L = 21 PA .300 BAVG .333 OBP .350 SLG .683 OPS

SEP vs R = 27 PA .348 BAVG .444 OBP .609 SLG 1.053 OPS
SEP vs L = 28 PA .385 BAVG .429 OBP .731 SLG 1.160 OPS

vs R 76 PAs 3 HR 1.053 OPS
vs L 65 PAs 3 HR 1.159 OPS


This is the third time I have provided you Raburn's second half breakout. When are you going to change your mantra?

 

[biggunsbob]

Not true

Raburn 2nd half 2011

July vsR = 7 PA .000 BAVG .143 OBP .000 SLG .143 OPS
July vsL = 16 PA .429 BAVG .500 OBP .714 SLG 1.214 OPS

AUG vs R = 42 PA .350 BAVG .366 OBP .600 SLG .966 OPS
AUG vs L = 21 PA .300 BAVG .333 OBP .350 SLG .683 OPS

SEP vs R = 27 PA .348 BAVG .444 OBP .609 SLG 1.053 OPS
SEP vs L = 28 PA .385 BAVG .429 OBP .731 SLG 1.160 OPS

vs R 76 PAs 3 HR 1.053 OPS
vs L 65 PAs 3 HR 1.159 OPS


This is the third time I have provided you Raburn's second half breakout. When are you going to change your mantra?

Yes you are right!!!!! You are God Rebbiv of the stats..

I guess i should use the homer logs and look a tad more closely.. My mistake and I thought i checked it better but it was 5 of his last 8 which is not big deal... But I am right about Raburn for a good month from the start of July 15th, 2011 to august 15th he starting mostly verses LHP last year when Jim decided to platoon him.. I did those logs and they were right... He had few starts verses RHP from July 15th to August 15.. He raised his average from .214 to .231 in that time and by season end he was at .256... Pus I have been consitant that his numbers overall have come down for 3 years in a row.. Which is right. Plus I never said he was not a better second half hitter... I have always said i rather have him platooned..

Sorry i missed the homer log by 2...

I could post the game by game log if you want...

 

[biggunsbob]

Not sure why the decision to platoon RR for a month happened at July 15th... From July 1 to July 10th before the break he started 8 games and 5were verses RHP and 3 were verses LHP, and 1 DNP which was verses a RHP.. But he did raise his average from .203 to .214...Probably getting Wilson B. had a lot to do with his starts from July 15th to August 15th..

 

[biggunsbob]

No disputing these numbers... Down every year since 2009..And the OBP took a big dip from 2010 to 2011

2009----.291/.359/.533/.891
2010----.280/.340/.474/.814
2011----.256/.297/.432/.729
2012----.168/.226/.245/.471