Michigan?s shaky Qb play

[biggunsbob]

I guess another new system was bound to have problems. Discuss Patterson?s issues, and if they will ever let McCaffrey throw. As college game day showed Patterson missed a easy Td pass to Bell who was 3.9 yards pass the dB. He threw another ball out of the end zone when the wr had over 2 yards on the dB. It was a very tight window but could have been hit. Plus ball security is a real concern. Getting hit and fumble is bad enough but that 1st fumble against Army he looked like a freshmen. Injuries could be a reason. No Runyan , no DPJ.
It is just frustrating watching qb?s across the country in new systems have a much easier time then our 2 qb?s.

 

[Michchamp]

A friend of mine said he thought Patterson was hurt (something like bruised ribs), which explained why he handed the ball off on obvious keepers later in the game, and Army could tee off on Charbonnet. Charbonnet's YPC went way down as the game went on.

Seems to me, bruised ribs would also affect a guy's ability to throw accurately, if he was in that much pain.

I HOPE it's an injury, because this would be the second time a QB either regressed or failed to develop under Harbaugh (the first being Speight). I'd also say O'Korn & Peters never really got any better from the time they got to Ann Arbor.

I could flip a coin and go either way on how our season goes from here:

1) We're going to be bad, and have another miserable 8-5 season with a completely shit offense, like 2017.

And all this because our takeaway from a decent 10-3 campaign that saw us competing for a Big Ten title against OSU, but for a defensive collapse (that later saw two key members of our staff leave for jobs at OSU a couple weeks later...), was that we needed to completely blow up our offense and bring in a new OC. And the best guy for the job was a 35-year-old who had never done it before, but comes on board with lots of hype... :ugh: *DEEP BREATH*
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OR

2) We'll be fine, and win the Big Ten. We won't fumble that much again; 3 fumbles and a beat-up QB against a tricky Army squad explained the result. Defense played great in the circumstances. New offenses take time to develop. Everything is okay.​

 

[tomdalton22]

my guess is it will be closer to #2. Almost every good team has a bad game & Army has such an odd offense that it's hard for teams to defend.

 

[thewolverines24]

The OSU game was more than a defensive collapse. The 39 points we scored are a red herring. We put up 13 points in the 1st half without the gift of a fumbled kickoff.

We then scored 0 in the 3rd quarter and the entire 4th quarter became meaningless. Game was over.

Both the offense and defense were terrible against OSU.

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[thewolverines24]

my guess is it will be closer to #2. Almost every good team has a bad game & Army has such an odd offense that it's hard for teams to defend.

I agree it will be closer to #2 as well, but we aren't winning the B1G. We'll drop one conference game against Wisky, Iowa, PSU, MSU, or Maryland. ND is another good shot at a loss. Then we have our guaranteed loss to OSU that will send us to the Pillow Soft ShitBegone Bowl.

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[dubbsco]

I think statistically, the turnovers have to get better. They can't keep fumbling at this rate.

 

[hungry]

A friend of mine said he thought Patterson was hurt (something like bruised ribs), which explained why he handed the ball off on obvious keepers later in the game, and Army could tee off on Charbonnet. Charbonnet's YPC went way down as the game went on.

Seems to me, bruised ribs would also affect a guy's ability to throw accurately, if he was in that much pain.

I HOPE it's an injury, because this would be the second time a QB either regressed or failed to develop under Harbaugh (the first being Speight). I'd also say O'Korn & Peters never really got any better from the time they got to Ann Arbor.

I could flip a coin and go either way on how our season goes from here:

1) We're going to be bad, and have another miserable 8-5 season with a completely shit offense, like 2017.

And all this because our takeaway from a decent 10-3 campaign that saw us competing for a Big Ten title against OSU, but for a defensive collapse (that later saw two key members of our staff leave for jobs at OSU a couple weeks later...), was that we needed to completely blow up our offense and bring in a new OC. And the best guy for the job was a 35-year-old who had never done it before, but comes on board with lots of hype... :ugh: *DEEP BREATH*
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OR

2) We'll be fine, and win the Big Ten. We won't fumble that much again; 3 fumbles and a beat-up QB against a tricky Army squad explained the result. Defense played great in the circumstances. New offenses take time to develop. Everything is okay.​

Brandstatter and Dierdorf were talking oblique injury. Yes, that would affect his throwing motion, i would assume.

 

[Michchamp]

my guess is it will be closer to #2. Almost every good team has a bad game & Army has such an odd offense that it's hard for teams to defend.

We actually defended it well. we only gave up 200 yards on the ground and like 3.3 ypc. If you compare it to Oklahoma, they gave up a whole 1 yard per carry more, and 339 on the ground, with one less OT period. Plus Oklahoma didn't fumble three times and have a fumble return TD (incorrectly) called back.

I'm more concerned with the offense... I didn't see the first 3 Qs but they looked confused and bad late in the game.

I mean, the game is on the line, we have the ball and plenty of time, and we end up getting stuffed on 4th and 2 from the 50.

We were supposed to be running a passing spread, opening the field up and all this bullshit, and we looked both meek and stupid in our playcalling, against a team that isn't exactly loaded with defensive talent.

I watched LSU-Texas later, and with the game on the line, LSU's offense was aggressive and smart, and blew Texas off the field. Their coordinator was a promotion from inside the program, and he's not some 35-year-old "offensive genius." Oh, and he's been coaching since the 1980's.

We have our chance against Wisconsin in two weeks... no need to hold anything back, and "work on some things" or "keeping the playbook shut" there! A loss in that game means we have to be perfect the rest of the season, because any head-to-head losses against MSU, PennSt, Ohio St, and maybe even Maryland, will have us finishing 2nd or worse in the East.


just venting, sorry.

 

[biggunsbob]

Yeah I am hoping it is injuries because he is better then this. Missing 2 linemen are really hurting us right now. Dpj we can over come because we have depth at wr. We need to get Runyan back badly. Losing The linemen to start the season also really hurt Stueber. Plus we have shitty blocking tight ends right now.

 

[Michchamp]

Brandstatter and Dierdorf were talking oblique injury. Yes, that would affect his throwing motion, i would assume.

Here's a pic of my own body I highlighted to show where the obliques are:

Yeah I could definitely imagine a tear or sharp pain there affecting the throwing motion, even if it's not on the same side of your body as your throwing arm. can't rotate your torso at all without feeling it.

 

[hungry]

I think we'd all be better off if the back-up's name was Joe Smith rather than McCaffrey. I can't imagine what anyone has seen from him to think that he is an upgrade over Patterson. Patterson isn't playing that great. I admit that, but we haven't seen anything from McCaffrey other than him handing the ball off or running around. His name is McCaffrey, though, so everyone thinks he is great or will be great. He MIGHT be better than Patterson, I guess, but we don't see any of the practices. We haven't seen him do anything in 2 games this season. He did look decent in his very brief appearances last season, but nothing to show me that he is the clear #1 QB at this point.

 

[gotime909]

I agree it will be closer to #2 as well, but we aren't winning the B1G. We'll drop one conference game against Wisky, Iowa, PSU, MSU, or Maryland. ND is another good shot at a loss. Then we have our guaranteed loss to OSU that will send us to the Pillow Soft ShitBegone Bowl.

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I'd bet on at least 2 losses to those 5 conference teams you listed. Michigan defense is a shell of what it was last year and that offense has looked the exact same.

 

[bphillips4gg]

I think we'd all be better off if the back-up's name was Joe Smith rather than McCaffrey. I can't imagine what anyone has seen from him to think that he is an upgrade over Patterson. Patterson isn't playing that great. I admit that, but we haven't seen anything from McCaffrey other than him handing the ball off or running around. His name is McCaffrey, though, so everyone thinks he is great or will be great. He MIGHT be better than Patterson, I guess, but we don't see any of the practices. We haven't seen him do anything in 2 games this season. He did look decent in his very brief appearances last season, but nothing to show me that he is the clear #1 QB at this point.

The issue is that Shea looks like shit and he's not the future. If you believe the coaches then DM is right there with Shea. If that's the case, better to get him the game experience, especially if the starter isn't performing. Or is hurt, which appears to be the case.

 

[hungry]

The issue is that Shea looks like shit and he's not the future. If you believe the coaches then DM is right there with Shea. If that's the case, better to get him the game experience, especially if the starter isn't performing. Or is hurt, which appears to be the case.

I don't believe coachspeak. I believe what I see. Right now, the coaches are afraid to have Dylan throw the football. Shea does throw the football.

 

[hungry]

Why don't we just start freshman at every position then? They're the future!!

 

[bphillips4gg]

Why don't we just start freshman at every position then? They're the future!!

I'm pretty sure you understand the point so I'm not going to waste time explaining. There's a big difference between playing a guy in his redshirt sophomore year and bringing in transfers to play1-2 years when you've recruited a top 5-10 QB in each of the last 4 recruiting cycles.

And for what it's worth, I don't know that the coaches are afraid to let him throw the ball so much as they haven't needed him to throw it in the games he's been in. He's been playing in mop up duty in games that they've been winning big. Regardless of who is playing they're likely to be running the ball in that situation. You're also operating under the assumption that the starter is playing well which Shea absolutely is not. Whether that's due to injury or just who he is, why would anyone be okay with not getting your future starter game experience so that you don't have to go through the same growing pains next year too?

 

[hungry]

I'm pretty sure you understand the point so I'm not going to waste time explaining. There's a big difference between playing a guy in his redshirt sophomore year and bringing in transfers to play1-2 years when you've recruited a top 5-10 QB in each of the last 4 recruiting cycles.

And for what it's worth, I don't know that the coaches are afraid to let him throw the ball so much as they haven't needed him to throw it in the games he's been in. He's been playing in mop up duty in games that they've been winning big. Regardless of who is playing they're likely to be running the ball in that situation. You're also operating under the assumption that the starter is playing well which Shea absolutely is not. Whether that's due to injury or just who he is, why would anyone be okay with not getting your future starter game experience so that you don't have to go through the same growing pains next year too?

There hasn't been any mop-up duty the last 2 weeks. Dylan has thrown the ball 3 times this season. Let's forget last season, because it was mop-up duty and that doesn't matter, right? We've actually watched Dylan throw 3 passes this season. That is enough to tell me that the coaches don't want him in the game, throwing the football. That is, also, apparently enough to tell certain fans that McCaffrey is the better option for starting QB. I don't see it.

He might be the future. Coaches coach to win games right now. That is the way it is. They aren't going to throw away an entire season to MAYBE be better next year, because fans think the team this year can't win the 12th game of the year. They are never going to do that.

 

[TheVictors]

McCaffrey, like Christian, was the CO Football POY. So was Carlo Kemp.

Mac is the real deal but I agree with bphillips (what's up?!) and think he's been held back for situational reasons, not talent. If Shea is truly hurt, it's great to have a BYE week before Madison. But if he's really hurt ...I see the BYE as a benefit to get Mac ready as much as it's time for Shea to recover.

 

[hungry]

I think Dylan is the real deal, also. I fully expect him to the starter in 2020 and 2021. Patterson must be the best option right now. I just think that the coaches must know better than us, considering we've only seen McCaffrey throw the football 3 times this season. I think people are assuming a lot here.

 

[TheVictors]

I think Dylan is the real deal, also. I fully expect him to the starter in 2020 and 2021. Patterson must be the best option right now. I just think that the coaches must know better than us, considering we've only seen McCaffrey throw the football 3 times this season. I think people are assuming a lot here.

Depending on the extent of the injury situation, it's awesome to have a BYE week. I hope it's an injury not because I want Shea to be hurt but because that would at least explain things.