Mike Wallace to Vikings

[kdp1980]

More weapons for Bridgewater.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...s-acquire-receiver-mike-wallace-from-dolphins

 

[tigermud]

I don't even know who any of these teams are anymore

 

[inkfreq]

Could backfire on Minny.

Two years ago the Vikings offered Wallace more money than the Dolphins, but he didn't want to have to play and practice in the cold climates, so he took less money to go to Miami.

Wallace has been knows as a bit of a cancer in the locker room over the years, so if he's unhappy about the weather in Minny, it could become a problem.

If not though, The Vikings got a great player and a 7th, for a 5th. It's a steal.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

lol Dolphins continue to have to unload everyone to have Suh and be able to field a full roster.

DT Randy Starks
WR Mike Wallace
WR Brian Hartline
OG Shelley Smith
LB Philip Wheeler
OG Nate Garner
CB Cortland Finnegan
WR Brandon Gibson

All gone just to bring in Suh and trade for Stills. Not to mention they didn't have the funds to comfortably bring back

SS Louis Delmas
RB Knowshon Moreno
OG Daryn Colledge
DL Jared Odrik
OC Samson Satele
FS Jimmy Wilson

And Charles Clay may be leaving as well. That would be 12-13 starting players gone, just to bring in Suh and Kenny Stills. This team better hope Tannehill makes a GIANT leap, or by the time Suh's prime is over they will still be rebuilding. Wait didn't they also get rid of Ellerbe? Lol

 

[sggatecl]

lol Dolphins continue to have to unload everyone to have Suh and be able to field a full roster.

DT Randy Starks
WR Mike Wallace
WR Brian Hartline
OG Shelley Smith
LB Philip Wheeler
OG Nate Garner
CB Cortland Finnegan
WR Brandon Gibson

All gone just to bring in Suh and trade for Stills. Not to mention they didn't have the funds to comfortably bring back

SS Louis Delmas
RB Knowshon Moreno
OG Daryn Colledge
DL Jared Odrik
OC Samson Satele
FS Jimmy Wilson

And Charles Clay may be leaving as well. That would be 12-13 starting players gone, just to bring in Suh and Kenny Stills. This team better hope Tannehill makes a GIANT leap, or by the time Suh's prime is over they will still be rebuilding. Wait didn't they also get rid of Ellerbe? Lol

And it ain't getting better any time soon. If the numbers stay true, that greedy fuck will cripple that franchise for the next half decade. Not signing Suh feels less bad with each passing day.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ndamukong-suhs-contract-going-nightmare-153200265.html

 

[cheeno]

God forbid they jettison an 8-8 team filled with garbage and overpriced vets. What idiots. Don't they know you raise a banner for a wildcard loss?

 

[sggatecl]

God forbid they jettison an 8-8 team filled with garbage and overpriced vets. What idiots. Don't they know you raise a banner for a wildcard loss?

The point is that the Suh contract will make it pretty difficult to replace the "garbage and overpriced vets". Their drafts over the next couple season will need to be immaculate.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

God forbid they jettison an 8-8 team filled with garbage and overpriced vets. What idiots. Don't they know you raise a banner for a wildcard loss?

They have like 4-5 starting spots filled, the rest are backups. They were on the brink of having a playoff caliber team, and honestly without the horrid injury bug last year they would of made it.

Turning over 75% of your roster while your franchise QB is entering his prime years for taking that next step all for the sake of adding Suh. Horrid management.

They would need the two best drafts ever in the next two years for this to pay off.

 

[cheeno]

Show me exactly who on that list was a big loss.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

Show me exactly who on that list was a big loss.

Loss in this case should be defined by the replacement, since many of the replacements will either be career backups, washed up vets, or low round draft choices. Almost all them will hurt the team's overall performance.

You may call these starters as not much of a loss, implying that they aren't good. Well guess what if you think the starters were bad, YOU THINK THEIR BACKUPS are better?

 

[inkfreq]

Some of this was done to be able to sign Clay. They now have the cap flexibility to compete to bring their own guy back.

And this after they signed Jordan Cameron. More and more teams are starting to put too much money (and in our case draft picks) into tight ends.

I knew this was going to happen when the Saints won their arbitration case with Graham on the franchise tag. You have a guy like Graham, who produces like a WR, but you can franchise him at a much lower cost just by calling him a TE... it makes sense that teams will start looking to stockpile tight ends instead of WRs and just play them where they need them.

 

[cheeno]

Loss in this case should be defined by the replacement, since many of the replacements will either be career backups, washed up vets, or low round draft choices. Almost all them will hurt the team's overall performance.

You may call these starters as not much of a loss, implying that they aren't good. Well guess what if you think the starters were bad, YOU THINK THEIR BACKUPS are better?

Lateral moves to get the top free agent in decades? A guy who has in the past made the players like George Johnson and old man Mathis into starters with his ability to rush the passer from the nose and draw double and triple teams. Sour grapes man, sour.

 

[brewer229]

Lions top 2 make more than the dolphins top 2 the next three years.

 

[inkfreq]

The point of free agency is to fill holes, not to create them.

The argument here is terrible. Yes, the Dolphins added a GREAT young player, which is very rare to be able to do. But they dismantled a team around him and still have to field a roster under difficult conditions, especially if they blow another wad on Clay.

Had the Lions broken the bank to sign Suh, and cut a bunch of backup role players to do it, half the people on this board would be calling Mayhew an idiot for scalping the team for one guy.

But since it was Miami.. they were bums and no loss anyway? Damn people on this board talk out of both sides of their necks a lot.

 

[mhughes0021]

The point of free agency is to fill holes, not to create them.

The argument here is terrible. Yes, the Dolphins added a GREAT young player, which is very rare to be able to do. But they dismantled a team around him and still have to field a roster under difficult conditions, especially if they blow another wad on Clay.

Had the Lions broken the bank to sign Suh, and cut a bunch of backup role players to do it, half the people on this board would be calling Mayhew an idiot for scalping the team for one guy.

But since it was Miami.. they were bums and no loss anyway? Damn people on this board talk out of both sides of their necks a lot.

have to look at the overall picture. Most of the people they cut were overpaid and underperforming. Its called accountability...something none of the lions players ever have. We continually overpay for limited production. Wallace was a cancer already on that team. They got a cheaper option in stills via trade.....so they move Wallace. The Wallace move was for numerous reasons...not just cap space.

The defense...they lost a lot. But the idea is you lock up a young DT in his prime and you can build around that.

Bottom line is they needed to try something different and they had the balls to do it. They signed a lot of those guys to high priced contracts recently and they didn't work out....so on to plan B. That's the nature of the business. Personally, I don't think it will make them any better.....and they picked the wrong year to do it....EVERYONE in that division got better this offseason minus NE. They are still a .500 or lower team.

 

[cheeno]

The point of free agency is to fill holes, not to create them.

The argument here is terrible. Yes, the Dolphins added a GREAT young player, which is very rare to be able to do. But they dismantled a team around him and still have to field a roster under difficult conditions, especially if they blow another wad on Clay.

Had the Lions broken the bank to sign Suh, and cut a bunch of backup role players to do it, half the people on this board would be calling Mayhew an idiot for scalping the team for one guy.

But since it was Miami.. they were bums and no loss anyway? Damn people on this board talk out of both sides of their necks a lot.

Again show me one player on that list that was even considered starter caliber. For gods sake Louis Delmas was prominently featured on that list.

 

[inkfreq]

Again show me one player on that list that was even considered starter caliber. For gods sake Louis Delmas was prominently featured on that list.

So a team is only made of starters? Again, you FILL holes in free agency, you don't create them.

Every team has 53 men on the roster. One way or another, you still have a whole bunch of guys to replace, and you may not have the money to do it with ANY quality at all.

Yeah, it's great to have a guy like Suh, but every team deals with injuries every year, and they are going to have some bottom of the barrel replacements making big mistakes next to the big man this coming year.

 

[cheeno]

So a team is only made of starters? Again, you FILL holes in free agency, you don't create them.

Every team has 53 men on the roster. One way or another, you still have a whole bunch of guys to replace, and you may not have the money to do it with ANY quality at all.

Yeah, it's great to have a guy like Suh, but every team deals with injuries every year, and they are going to have some bottom of the barrel replacements making big mistakes next to the big man this coming year.

Agree to disagree. Suh makes the players around him better, from the line to the lbs to the secondary you can have replacement level players play at high levels. See us last year. Ihedigbo, George Johnson, Whitehead, Jones, Fluellen, Bynes, Palmer. These are the type of guys Miami can find on the cheap and we had a top defense last year, why? Suh.

You pay Suh like you pay 3 guys because that is what he brings to a defense. And if you were referring to me as someone talking out both sides, I would have gladly dropped Stafford or CJ to keep Suh, both of which have cap hits right up heir or exceeding Suh's next year, neither of which played anywhere near that kind of money last year.

 

[inkfreq]

Agree to disagree. Suh makes the players around him better, from the line to the lbs to the secondary you can have replacement level players play at high levels. See us last year. Ihedigbo, George Johnson, Whitehead, Jones, Fluellen, Bynes, Palmer. These are the type of guys Miami can find on the cheap and we had a top defense last year, why? Suh.

You pay Suh like you pay 3 guys because that is what he brings to a defense. And if you were referring to me as someone talking out both sides, I would have gladly dropped Stafford or CJ to keep Suh, both of which have cap hits right up heir or exceeding Suh's next year, neither of which played anywhere near that kind of money last year.

Dude, you pay Suh like three guys, because that's what he brings to the defense? I guess that explains why Detroit ranked top 5 every year in defense that he was here, huh?

We had one year of great defense with Suh, and four years of bottom 12 defenses. He doesn't make the guys around him better enough for us to be able to notice in the W-L column, I know that much.

And no, it wasn't intended for you specifically, I mean a LOT of people on this board have two different sides of the same argument.. one that makes other teams look smart for what they do, and one that makes the Lions look stupid when they do the same.