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I really do think we are really close to building a legitimate top 5 NFL team, but we still do have some glaring holes. I think plugging a rookie into all those holes is a dangerous proposition if we want to field a contender in 2023. I think it would be a mistake if this regime just completely stood pat in FA and stuck to 1 year prove it deals. That doesn?t mean we need to splurge, but this defense needs a couple veterans to stabilize it, IMO. So for those that want to take the time to see what my opinion is, here it goes.
Off-Season Cuts/Restructures
Cut Michael Brockers (10mil Cap Savings)
Restructure Halapoulivaati Vatai (Eliminate 2024, 2023 Base Salary Goes From 9.4mil to 4mil, 2.5mil Cap Savings as 2024 Dead Money Accelerates)
Restructure Romeo Okwara (Slash 2023 Base Salary From 11mil to 6mil, 5mil Cap Savings)
Restruture Charles Harris (Slash Base Salary From 6mil to 3mil, 3mil Cap Savings)
Restructure Frank Ragnow (Convert 10mil of His Base Salary Into a Bonus Creating 7.5mil in Space)
Restructure Taylor Decker (Convert 12mil of His Base Salary Into a Bonus Creating 8mil in Space)
That is a total savings of 36mil. It may not seem realistic that all three of these guys come back on pay cuts, but I wouldn?t count it out. This staff has singled out all three of these players as guys they really like at one point in time. I don?t believe that has changed. The facts are all three represent significant cost savings if cut and have an exorbitant base salary. Coming off the injuries they are, none of them are worth the money they are currently making. Does anyone here think Harris can get more than 3mil on the open market? What about Vatai getting more than 4mil coming off back surgery? Anybody else committing 6mil to Romeo just one year removed from his achilles? I think the staff will want these guys back at the right price and I believe all three want to come back. This is the middle ground. Walker was another one to consider, but he actually holds the cards as we would incur more costs by cutting him so i don?t think that is an option.
Re-Signings
DJ Chark, 3 years 36mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 8mil
Jamaal Williams, 3 Years 15mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 3mil
Isaiah Buggs, 3 Years 9mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 2mil
John Cominsky, 4 Years 24mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 3.25mil
DeShon Elliot, 3 Years 18mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 4mil
Will Harris, 2 Years 5mil,Year 1 Cap Hit 2mil
Alex Anzalone, 2 Years 8mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 3mil
Justin Jackson, 1 Year 1.25mil
I have us re-signing most of our guys as I believe a lot of these guys are the ?glue guys? Campbell references. I believe a loaded safety market will keep Elliot?s cost down.
Free Agency
Javon Hargrave, DT - 3 Years 45mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 10mil - This is my splash signing. We likely won?t have a shot at Carter and I?m not sold on any of DT prospects. We absolutely need a DT who can be a force rushing the passer next year. Da?Ron Payne will get way overpaid due to his age and the position he plays. I think Payne is a good player, but not worth the 20mil+ he is going to get. Hargrave is pushing 30, but shows no signs of slowing down. He has been consistent throughout his career and fits the hard working gritty mindset this staff loves. On top of that he has the 3rd best pass rush grade per PFF of all interior defenders. This guys transforms this DLine, and entire defense from day 1, IMO. Guarantee all his 1st and 2nd year salaries to keep the signing bonus down so you have an out in year 3 once he turns 32.
Rashad Fenton, CB - 1 Year, 4mil - See below from PFF. He needs to rehab his value somewhere he can play to his strengths and have a good opportunity to start. He is a tough physical CB in run support as well which is important for this staff. Falls in line with the one year prove it deals we tend to hand out.
Fenton has quietly been highly reliable over his three-year NFL career. Despite being a sixth-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, the former South Carolina Gamecock owns the second-highest career coverage grade among cornerbacks in that class (83.0). He fell in the draft partly because of subpar physical traits for NFL standards, but that hasn?t been an issue. His tackling stands out more than any other part of his game, as he has missed just twice on 103 attempts since 2019.
Gardner Minshew, QB - 2 Years, 8mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 3mil - The backup QB market is loaded this year. Minshew is my favorite of the bunch and I think him and Campbell would be a very good personality fit.
Matt Gay, K - 4 Years 16mil, Year 1 Cap hit 2.5mil - We expect to be a very good team next year. We cannot play games trying to find a kicker on the cheap or rely on a rookie. Bagley was decent, but he has a weak leg and even though his percentage was solid his kicks didn?y always seem clean. Don?t overthink this, invest in a reliable kicker.
NFL Draft
#6 Overall - TRADE The Lions trade their #6 (1600), #59 (310), and #81 (185) to the Texans for #12 (1200), #33 (580), #73 (225), and #103 (88) The Lions move up in a couple rounds and grab a 4th and the Texans get to move up for Queinton Johnston to pair with their new QB.
#12 Overall - Bijan Robinson, RB - This guy takes this offense to another level. I was originally against this for many reasons, but after stewing on this I just think it makes too much sense.
#18 Overall - Brian Branch, CB - It feels like all the top CB?s have question marks one way or another. branch feels like one of the safest picks and I truly think he could be an elite nickeback. In today?s NFL, your nickelback still plays over 70% of the snaps. He also has the size to be an outside CB as well.
#33 Overall - Devon Witherspoon, CB - We need serious help at CB next season. I would not be surprised one bit to see the Lions grab two CB?s in the first three rounds. I really like Witherspoon as a prospect and adding him and Branch would be huge for this secondary.
#48 Overall - O?Cyrus Torrence, G - Can come in from day 1 in our heavy packages and contribute and will compete with Vatai to start. This kid is a road grader and having Ragnow, Torrence, and Sewell on that right side would be very intimidating.
#73 Overall - Jack Campbell, LB?er - We need a more traditonal MLB to replace Anzalone by 2024 at the latest. Campell would not need to be rushed into action and can learn behind a solid vetern presence in Anzalone.
#103 Overall - Keanu Benton, NT - We need another big body in the middle to clog up running lanes. I don?t see a ton of upside here, but his floor as a very good run defender in obvious running downs is good enough at this point in the draft.
#152 Overall - Cameron Ward, QB - We need a developmental QB on this roster. Ward is very raw, but possesses enough NFL traits to develop into a quality player.
#181 Overall - Puka Nacua, WR - We need to bring in some young WR talent late in the draft this year as both Reynolds and Raymond are FA in 2024. This kid has some long term potential, but is unlikely to make a year 1 impact.
#192 Overall - Carter Warren, OT - We need better depth behind Decker and Penei. I haven?t dove into this class enough, but I like what I?ve seen so far from this kid in the later rounds.
2023 NFL 53 Man Roster
Offense
QB - Jared Goff ($30,650,000), Gardner Minshew ($3,000,000), Cameron Ward ($836,223)
RB - Bijan Robinson ($3,437,878), Jamaal Williams ($3,000,000), D?Andre Swift ($2,716,929), Justin Jackson ($1,250,000)
FB - Jason Cabinda ($2,565,000)
TE - James Mitchell ($930,639), Brock Wright ($940,000), Shane Zylstra (940,000)
WR - Amon Ra St-Brown ($1,136,315), Jameson Williams ($3,968,589), DJ Chark ($14,321,666), Josh Reynolds ($4,000,000), Kalif Raymond ($3,025,000), Puka Nacua ($803,835)
LT - Taylor Decker ($11,350,000), Carter Warren ($797,575)
LG - Jonah Jackson ($1,478,278), Tommy Kraemer ($940,000)
C - Frank Ragnow ($8,875,000)
RG - Halapoulivaati Vatai ($9,996,388), O?Cyrus Torrence ($1,408,341)
RT - Penei Sewell ($6,572,473)
Defense
Edge - Aidan Hutchinson ($8,116,679), James Houston ($945,000), John Cominsky ($3,250,000), Romeo Okwara ($9,500,000), Josh Pascal ($1,758,104), Charles Harris ($4,988,333)
DT - Alim McNeil ($1,398,88), Javon Hargrave ($10,000,000), Isaiah Buggs ($2,000,000, Levi Onwuzurike ($2,222,425), Keanu Benton ($971,853)
LB?er - Malcolm Rodriguez ($916,982), Derrick Barnes ($1,135,302), Alex Anzalone ($3,000,000), Jack Campbell ($1,043,923),
CB - Jeff Okudah ($10,668,167), Jerry Jacobs ($941,168, Rashad Fenton ($4,000,000), Brian Branch ($2,826,034), Devon Witherspoon ($1,811,263), Will Harris ($2,000,000)
S - Kerby Joseph ($1,146,569), DeShon Elliot(4,000,000), Tracy Walker (11,321,666), Ifeatu Melifonwu ($1,305,232)
Specialists
K - Matt Gay ($2,500,000)
P - Jack Fox ($3,565,000)
LS - Scott Daly ($940,000)
KR - Justin Jackson
PR - Kalif Raymond
That would be a total of $216,295,635 committed to player contracts with an additional $4,273,770 in dead money bringing our total cap commitment to $220,569,405. That would leave us with about 7mil for practice squad and in season moves. Obviously these numbers will change some once they finalize the official cpa numbers for each team before the new league year. I just wanted to lay everything out to see what we are working with and what moves may be realistic or not. Thanks for all those who took the time to read all that and I understand if you didn?t.
By my count we would have 37 players under contract for 2024 with about 40mil in cap space, and that incudes picking up Jeff Okudahs 11.3mil option and all the contracts I laid out.
Off-Season Cuts/Restructures
Cut Michael Brockers (10mil Cap Savings)
Restructure Halapoulivaati Vatai (Eliminate 2024, 2023 Base Salary Goes From 9.4mil to 4mil, 2.5mil Cap Savings as 2024 Dead Money Accelerates)
Restructure Romeo Okwara (Slash 2023 Base Salary From 11mil to 6mil, 5mil Cap Savings)
Restruture Charles Harris (Slash Base Salary From 6mil to 3mil, 3mil Cap Savings)
Restructure Frank Ragnow (Convert 10mil of His Base Salary Into a Bonus Creating 7.5mil in Space)
Restructure Taylor Decker (Convert 12mil of His Base Salary Into a Bonus Creating 8mil in Space)
That is a total savings of 36mil. It may not seem realistic that all three of these guys come back on pay cuts, but I wouldn?t count it out. This staff has singled out all three of these players as guys they really like at one point in time. I don?t believe that has changed. The facts are all three represent significant cost savings if cut and have an exorbitant base salary. Coming off the injuries they are, none of them are worth the money they are currently making. Does anyone here think Harris can get more than 3mil on the open market? What about Vatai getting more than 4mil coming off back surgery? Anybody else committing 6mil to Romeo just one year removed from his achilles? I think the staff will want these guys back at the right price and I believe all three want to come back. This is the middle ground. Walker was another one to consider, but he actually holds the cards as we would incur more costs by cutting him so i don?t think that is an option.
Re-Signings
DJ Chark, 3 years 36mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 8mil
Jamaal Williams, 3 Years 15mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 3mil
Isaiah Buggs, 3 Years 9mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 2mil
John Cominsky, 4 Years 24mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 3.25mil
DeShon Elliot, 3 Years 18mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 4mil
Will Harris, 2 Years 5mil,Year 1 Cap Hit 2mil
Alex Anzalone, 2 Years 8mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 3mil
Justin Jackson, 1 Year 1.25mil
I have us re-signing most of our guys as I believe a lot of these guys are the ?glue guys? Campbell references. I believe a loaded safety market will keep Elliot?s cost down.
Free Agency
Javon Hargrave, DT - 3 Years 45mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 10mil - This is my splash signing. We likely won?t have a shot at Carter and I?m not sold on any of DT prospects. We absolutely need a DT who can be a force rushing the passer next year. Da?Ron Payne will get way overpaid due to his age and the position he plays. I think Payne is a good player, but not worth the 20mil+ he is going to get. Hargrave is pushing 30, but shows no signs of slowing down. He has been consistent throughout his career and fits the hard working gritty mindset this staff loves. On top of that he has the 3rd best pass rush grade per PFF of all interior defenders. This guys transforms this DLine, and entire defense from day 1, IMO. Guarantee all his 1st and 2nd year salaries to keep the signing bonus down so you have an out in year 3 once he turns 32.
Rashad Fenton, CB - 1 Year, 4mil - See below from PFF. He needs to rehab his value somewhere he can play to his strengths and have a good opportunity to start. He is a tough physical CB in run support as well which is important for this staff. Falls in line with the one year prove it deals we tend to hand out.
Fenton has quietly been highly reliable over his three-year NFL career. Despite being a sixth-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, the former South Carolina Gamecock owns the second-highest career coverage grade among cornerbacks in that class (83.0). He fell in the draft partly because of subpar physical traits for NFL standards, but that hasn?t been an issue. His tackling stands out more than any other part of his game, as he has missed just twice on 103 attempts since 2019.
Gardner Minshew, QB - 2 Years, 8mil, Year 1 Cap Hit 3mil - The backup QB market is loaded this year. Minshew is my favorite of the bunch and I think him and Campbell would be a very good personality fit.
Matt Gay, K - 4 Years 16mil, Year 1 Cap hit 2.5mil - We expect to be a very good team next year. We cannot play games trying to find a kicker on the cheap or rely on a rookie. Bagley was decent, but he has a weak leg and even though his percentage was solid his kicks didn?y always seem clean. Don?t overthink this, invest in a reliable kicker.
NFL Draft
#6 Overall - TRADE The Lions trade their #6 (1600), #59 (310), and #81 (185) to the Texans for #12 (1200), #33 (580), #73 (225), and #103 (88) The Lions move up in a couple rounds and grab a 4th and the Texans get to move up for Queinton Johnston to pair with their new QB.
#12 Overall - Bijan Robinson, RB - This guy takes this offense to another level. I was originally against this for many reasons, but after stewing on this I just think it makes too much sense.
#18 Overall - Brian Branch, CB - It feels like all the top CB?s have question marks one way or another. branch feels like one of the safest picks and I truly think he could be an elite nickeback. In today?s NFL, your nickelback still plays over 70% of the snaps. He also has the size to be an outside CB as well.
#33 Overall - Devon Witherspoon, CB - We need serious help at CB next season. I would not be surprised one bit to see the Lions grab two CB?s in the first three rounds. I really like Witherspoon as a prospect and adding him and Branch would be huge for this secondary.
#48 Overall - O?Cyrus Torrence, G - Can come in from day 1 in our heavy packages and contribute and will compete with Vatai to start. This kid is a road grader and having Ragnow, Torrence, and Sewell on that right side would be very intimidating.
#73 Overall - Jack Campbell, LB?er - We need a more traditonal MLB to replace Anzalone by 2024 at the latest. Campell would not need to be rushed into action and can learn behind a solid vetern presence in Anzalone.
#103 Overall - Keanu Benton, NT - We need another big body in the middle to clog up running lanes. I don?t see a ton of upside here, but his floor as a very good run defender in obvious running downs is good enough at this point in the draft.
#152 Overall - Cameron Ward, QB - We need a developmental QB on this roster. Ward is very raw, but possesses enough NFL traits to develop into a quality player.
#181 Overall - Puka Nacua, WR - We need to bring in some young WR talent late in the draft this year as both Reynolds and Raymond are FA in 2024. This kid has some long term potential, but is unlikely to make a year 1 impact.
#192 Overall - Carter Warren, OT - We need better depth behind Decker and Penei. I haven?t dove into this class enough, but I like what I?ve seen so far from this kid in the later rounds.
2023 NFL 53 Man Roster
Offense
QB - Jared Goff ($30,650,000), Gardner Minshew ($3,000,000), Cameron Ward ($836,223)
RB - Bijan Robinson ($3,437,878), Jamaal Williams ($3,000,000), D?Andre Swift ($2,716,929), Justin Jackson ($1,250,000)
FB - Jason Cabinda ($2,565,000)
TE - James Mitchell ($930,639), Brock Wright ($940,000), Shane Zylstra (940,000)
WR - Amon Ra St-Brown ($1,136,315), Jameson Williams ($3,968,589), DJ Chark ($14,321,666), Josh Reynolds ($4,000,000), Kalif Raymond ($3,025,000), Puka Nacua ($803,835)
LT - Taylor Decker ($11,350,000), Carter Warren ($797,575)
LG - Jonah Jackson ($1,478,278), Tommy Kraemer ($940,000)
C - Frank Ragnow ($8,875,000)
RG - Halapoulivaati Vatai ($9,996,388), O?Cyrus Torrence ($1,408,341)
RT - Penei Sewell ($6,572,473)
Defense
Edge - Aidan Hutchinson ($8,116,679), James Houston ($945,000), John Cominsky ($3,250,000), Romeo Okwara ($9,500,000), Josh Pascal ($1,758,104), Charles Harris ($4,988,333)
DT - Alim McNeil ($1,398,88), Javon Hargrave ($10,000,000), Isaiah Buggs ($2,000,000, Levi Onwuzurike ($2,222,425), Keanu Benton ($971,853)
LB?er - Malcolm Rodriguez ($916,982), Derrick Barnes ($1,135,302), Alex Anzalone ($3,000,000), Jack Campbell ($1,043,923),
CB - Jeff Okudah ($10,668,167), Jerry Jacobs ($941,168, Rashad Fenton ($4,000,000), Brian Branch ($2,826,034), Devon Witherspoon ($1,811,263), Will Harris ($2,000,000)
S - Kerby Joseph ($1,146,569), DeShon Elliot(4,000,000), Tracy Walker (11,321,666), Ifeatu Melifonwu ($1,305,232)
Specialists
K - Matt Gay ($2,500,000)
P - Jack Fox ($3,565,000)
LS - Scott Daly ($940,000)
KR - Justin Jackson
PR - Kalif Raymond
That would be a total of $216,295,635 committed to player contracts with an additional $4,273,770 in dead money bringing our total cap commitment to $220,569,405. That would leave us with about 7mil for practice squad and in season moves. Obviously these numbers will change some once they finalize the official cpa numbers for each team before the new league year. I just wanted to lay everything out to see what we are working with and what moves may be realistic or not. Thanks for all those who took the time to read all that and I understand if you didn?t.
By my count we would have 37 players under contract for 2024 with about 40mil in cap space, and that incudes picking up Jeff Okudahs 11.3mil option and all the contracts I laid out.
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