NBA Draft lottery odds

[grandy]

What I?m hoping for is a Grant to Portland trade for 7 (and whatever money fillers). I think it makes sense for both teams if Portland wants to win now.

Would get another future young piece and they don?t lose Grant for nothing. Could be looking at two of Sharpe/Ivey/Murray/Mathurin.

 

[tomdalton22]

What I?m hoping for is a Grant to Portland trade for 7 (and whatever money fillers). I think it makes sense for both teams if Portland wants to win now.

Would get another future young piece and they don?t lose Grant for nothing. Could be looking at two of Sharpe/Ivey/Murray/Mathurin.

might have to be a 3 team trade...Portland doesn't really have any contracts to send over.

 

[sggatecl]

Back to getting fucked in the lottery.

I don't think we have room to complain after last year.

In my opinion, it was better to have #1 when there was a CLEAR #1 rather than this year where there is an excellent chance one (or more) of the top 4 are busts.

 

[grandy]

might have to be a 3 team trade...Portland doesn't really have any contracts to send over.

I think so. I saw a hypothetical trade in an article, but it got rejected in the trade machine.

 

[biggunsbob]

I don't think we have room to complain after last year.

In my opinion, it was better to have #1 when there was a CLEAR #1 rather than this year where there is an excellent chance one (or more) of the top 4 are busts.

Ok I just wanted or say it lol.
I kinda like the kid from Puke . Maybe the kid from Purdue. Not sure I want the kid from Iowa.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Trading Grant for Portland's pick wouldn't be that hard. Bledsoe makes 19M, and could be swapped over with the 7th pick. He's expiring as well, so financially it's a complete wash. That's actually important since Portland is only going to trade the pick if they think they are going to land a big fish in free agency. They won't want to add money in a trade.

This would be a best case scenario for the Pistons. Picking two top 10 players gives a serious infusion in talent. The team could focus entirely on development next year. And the team likely remains bad enough for a shot at the superstars in next year's draft.

 

[tomdalton22]

Trading Grant for Portland's pick wouldn't be that hard. Bledsoe makes 19M, and could be swapped over with the 7th pick. He's expiring as well, so financially it's a complete wash. That's actually important since Portland is only going to trade the pick if they think they are going to land a big fish in free agency. They won't want to add money in a trade.

This would be a best case scenario for the Pistons. Picking two top 10 players gives a serious infusion in talent. The team could focus entirely on development next year. And the team likely remains bad enough for a shot at the superstars in next year's draft.

maybe it's failing because the ESPN trade site is still using this year's salary cap and current rosters. My guess is if they did this trade they wouldn't be able to re-sign Bagley?

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

maybe it's failing because the ESPN trade site is still using this year's salary cap and current rosters. My guess is if they did this trade they wouldn't be able to re-sign Bagley?

It might be failing because his (Bledsoe) contact isn't guaranteed for next year. Portland could cut him before the league new year and save a bunch of money. Honestly the only reason to keep him is for trade ballast.

Also, making this trade doesn't necessarily affect Bagley at all. The Pistons are poised to have a lot of cap space, and this doesn't change that (we wouldn't be taking on any new money). Detroit is not a destination city, but we could work out a max offer for someone like Ayton. Resigning Bagley for 3 years really wouldn't matter. Obviously we don't want to overpay for him, but so long as we keep any large contracts from lasting passed 2025, we'll be fine. 2025 is when a Cade extension would kick in, and we have to hope he's a supermax level player.

 

[tomdalton22]

It might be failing because his (Bledsoe) contact isn't guaranteed for next year. Portland could cut him before the league new year and save a bunch of money. Honestly the only reason to keep him is for trade ballast.

Also, making this trade doesn't necessarily affect Bagley at all. The Pistons are poised to have a lot of cap space, and this doesn't change that (we wouldn't be taking on any new money). Detroit is not a destination city, but we could work out a max offer for someone like Ayton. Resigning Bagley for 3 years really wouldn't matter. Obviously we don't want to overpay for him, but so long as we keep any large contracts from lasting passed 2025, we'll be fine. 2025 is when a Cade extension would kick in, and we have to hope he's a supermax level player.

I don't know much about the NBA salary cap and how trades work. I wonder if the Pistons traded for Bledsoe if they could cut him without much counting against the cap.

As far as Bagley...I think he has as much upside as anybody on the roster outside of Cunningham.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

I don't know much about the NBA salary cap and how trades work. I wonder if the Pistons traded for Bledsoe if they could cut him without much counting against the cap.

As far as Bagley...I think he has as much upside as anybody on the roster outside of Cunningham.

I believe so, yes. Bledsoe's current year contract is still within the amount needed to match Grant. If we made the trade on draft night (no real need to do it before), we could then still cut Bledsoe by Jan 29 and only end up with 4ish million in dead money.

But again, even saving that money doesn't matter much. The team will be well below the cap this off-season, able to create max space if they really want to. And this just isn't the time where a max player is likely to sign up (at earliest, this could be after Cade looks like a superstar that players want to team up with).

As for Bagley, I'm pretty meh on him. He looked better here than Sacramento, but not like a core player by any means. He still has zero outside game, he's a bad defender, and he doesn't have a super high bball iq. He literally could not play playoff minutes in the current NBA. But it almost doesn't matter, because we won't be playing in the playoffs next year and maybe not even the year after that. A 2-3 contract right now doesn't hurt us, and he did provide something no one else in the roster does - vertical spacing.

 

[mhughes0021]

This was basically a coin flip, didn't lose out much at all. Ivey or Sharpe would be fantastic. Even Murray would fill a huge need. It also helps that Portland fell a spot, as they may be more willing to trade the pick for Grant.

Just a reminder, this is a BAD team, with very little talent. Landing Ivey/Sharpe/Murray may be ideal, as it allows us to get another high end talent next year. 2023 has some franchise level talents at the top, wouldn't be the worst thing to have over more bad record.

Yes Please on Ivey or Sharpe. From B/R Mock below. The downside to Ivey as its hard to project how good of a shooter he will be in the NBA. The upside is he tends to get a layup whenever he wants to with how explosive he is so no one ever sees him shoot the ball lol.

4. Sacramento Kings: Jaden Ivey (Purdue, PG/SG, Sophomore)

A backcourt of De'Aaron Fox and Jaden Ivey may be the NBA's fastest. Unless the Kings become infatuated with Shaedon Sharpe's upside, or they view AJ Griffin's shooting as too good a fit, Ivey should get the nod as the best player available. He would give Sacramento a second option capable of putting constant pressure on defenses.



5. Detroit Pistons: Shaedon Sharpe (Kentucky, SG, Freshman)

Though Sharpe has the least film among projected green-room invitees, it sounds like his combination of age (19), explosive bounce, shot-making and mystery is becoming too enticing. His talent and shooting skill are built to shine in workouts. And as a 6'6" interchangeable wing, the Pistons shouldn't have any trouble fitting him in.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I believe so, yes. Bledsoe's current year contract is still within the amount needed to match Grant. If we made the trade on draft night (no real need to do it before), we could then still cut Bledsoe by Jan 29 and only end up with 4ish million in dead money.

But again, even saving that money doesn't matter much. The team will be well below the cap this off-season, able to create max space if they really want to. And this just isn't the time where a max player is likely to sign up (at earliest, this could be after Cade looks like a superstar that players want to team up with).

As for Bagley, I'm pretty meh on him. He looked better here than Sacramento, but not like a core player by any means. He still has zero outside game, he's a bad defender, and he doesn't have a super high bball iq. He literally could not play playoff minutes in the current NBA. But it almost doesn't matter, because we won't be playing in the playoffs next year and maybe not even the year after that. A 2-3 contract right now doesn't hurt us, and he did provide something no one else in the roster does - vertical spacing.

The whole team outside Cade needs to improve/sucks. I'm okay with Bey though he needs to improve next season and figure out how to shoot better .. and Stewart, we need a C to score more. 8 points is not enough. I think Bagley would be better here (Many playoff players can't play D). And we have a starting point guard who isn't really a point guard.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

The whole team outside Cade needs to improve/sucks. I'm okay with Bey though he needs to improve next season and figure out how to shoot better .. and Stewart, we need a C to score more. 8 points is not enough. I think Bagley would be better here (Many playoff players can't play D). And we have a starting point guard who isn't really a point guard.

I'm glad to hear we have some unbiased fans here. Too often I hear people talking about Bey like he's a guaranteed #2 scorer and elite defender. Or they are absolutely sure Stewart is the modern day Ben Wallace. The reality is that we have NO IDEA what this team will look like when they start winning games consistently.

Cade can play the 1-3 offensively, and can probably defend 2-4 (depending on the 4). So not a single position is set, where we might pass on someone in the draft.

Gimme Ivey, and we play him at the one. Cade will do most of the creating, and Ivey can focus on the things he already does well (spot up shooting and drives to the basket). Gimme Sharpe, and just move everybody down. Joseph (or anybody who can shoot) - Sharpe - Cade - Bey - Stewart might actually give Cade enough spacing to operate. Grant is likely gone anyway.

 

[grandy]

I?m not high on on anyone that isn?t Cade, he?s the only untouchable IMO. Bey?s stats this season were more a product of volume rather than efficiency (he was really struggling prior to January). Stew has the hustle but I don?t see him as a long-term starting option, just doesn?t do enough well. I see guys like Stew and Killian as potentially good bench pieces on decent teams in the future, Bey could be a fringe-starter, but he still has some work to do. These guys are still young though, so I don?t want to paint too bleak of a picture here.

Cade, #5, trading chip in Grant, and cap space are the best things going for them right now. I don?t think it pulls them out of the lottery next year, especially with how tough the East is, but I think they could look more competitive.

I just hope they spend their money wisely in FA and not blow it all on just anyone. The only one I?d even be remotely comfortable with is Ayton, if they can get him.

I just worry about them trying to get good too fast and ending up in mediocrity hell. As much as we want to see them win, this is a top-end talent league, accumulating high picks should be the focus.

 

[mhughes0021]

I?m not high on on anyone that isn?t Cade, he?s the only untouchable IMO. Bey?s stats this season were more a product of volume rather than efficiency (he was really struggling prior to January). Stew has the hustle but I don?t see him as a long-term starting option, just doesn?t do enough well. I see guys like Stew and Killian as potentially good bench pieces on decent teams in the future, Bey could be a fringe-starter, but he still has some work to do. These guys are still young though, so I don?t want to paint too bleak of a picture here.

Cade, #5, trading chip in Grant, and cap space are the best things going for them right now. I don?t think it pulls them out of the lottery next year, especially with how tough the East is, but I think they could look more competitive.

I just hope they spend their money wisely in FA and not blow it all on just anyone. The only one I?d even be remotely comfortable with is Ayton, if they can get him.

I just worry about them trying to get good too fast and ending up in mediocrity hell. As much as we want to see them win, this is a top-end talent league, accumulating high picks should be the focus.

We're close to having a good starting line up if this off season goes well:

G Cade Cunningham
G Shaeden Sharpe
F Saddiq Bey
F Jerami Grant
C Deanre Ayton

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

We're close to having a good starting line up if this off season goes well:

G Cade Cunningham
G Shaeden Sharpe
F Saddiq Bey
F Jerami Grant
C Deanre Ayton

I'm not convinced yet that Saddiq is actually good, but that's a solid lineup. I also can't really imagine why Ayton would want to play here, though.

My favorite off-season would be Ivey/Sharpe at 5, trading Grant for 7, and landing Murray or Duren at 7.

 

[grandy]

Wow, Banchero goes #1, wasn?t expecting that

 

[grandy]

Murray to the Kings!

 

[gotime909]

Jaden Ivey would finally give them a late shot clock playmaker that they desperately need. I feel him and Cade could be good together

 

[grandy]

Pistons get Ivy