OT Yes, God does speak to me (and others)

[mhughes0021]

Who is them? I'm sure you're quoting me somewhere for that ignorance right?
If you want a serious discussion about this, I'd be glad to answer, but it is obvious you just want to show your contempt and ignorance for the subject. Enjoy your obvious bliss.

the subject is god spoke to someone lol....really? the guy was either on drugs or....the pope. IFFFFFF there is a god.....he not watching us. And hes definitely not wasting his time talking to us.

IFFFFFF god is the creator....he is also the destroyer. Its fact our galaxy will be eaten by Andromeda in the far future. We will all be dead. yay god.

Its fact space is expanding at an accelerated rate. In the future matter will be so spread out that no new stars will be able to form due to the temps being so cold. Therefor life will cease to exist. Therefor god is now an idiot....and a dick.

 

[redandguilty]

IFFFFFF god is the creator....he is also the destroyer. Its fact our galaxy will be eaten by Andromeda in the far future. We will all be dead.

Don't worry about that. When the time comes, we'll deal with that.

Its fact space is expanding at an accelerated rate. In the future matter will be so spread out that no new stars will be able to form due to the temps being so cold. Therefor life will cease to exist.

That too if it's even an issue by then.

 

[mhughes0021]

Don't worry about that. When the time comes, we'll deal with that.



That too if it's even an issue by then.

we cant evn figure out how to balance our budget....you think were going to figure out how to move our galaxy or start colonies in another galaxy?

 

[spockmaster]

we cant evn figure out how to balance our budget....you think were going to figure out how to move our galaxy or start colonies in another galaxy?

I have my doubts we'll even last another hundred years before we destroy ourselves somehow. Im a bit of a pessimist though.

 

[mhughes0021]

I have my doubts we'll even last another hundred years before we destroy ourselves somehow. Im a bit of a pessimist though.

ya im waiting for a dark matter experiment to go array and cause a black hole here on earth or a LHC particle collission causing a new big bang. I guess at that point god will have to say "oops when i spoke to all those people i should have told them that would happen."

 

[Thumb]

Gods fault for not creating man with a warning label clearly affixed.

 

[spockmaster]

ya im waiting for a dark matter experiment to go array and cause a black hole here on earth or a LHC particle collission causing a new big bang. I guess at that point god will have to say "oops when i spoke to all those people i should have told them that would happen."

I was thinking more along the lines of nuclear winter or biological weapon development gone wrong lol.

 

[redandguilty]

I have my doubts we'll even last another hundred years before we destroy ourselves somehow. Im a bit of a pessimist though.

This is a bigger concern than Andromeda.

 

[Thumb]

The sun will long since exhausted it's supply of hydrogen by then and become a red giant, expanding 200% and well past Earths orbit and nearly to Mars before the Andromeda event as well.

So, at least we can look forwards to a good BBQ.

 

[spockmaster]

What is the life of one race, compared to the vast stretches of cosmic time?

 

[mhughes0021]

What is the life of one race, compared to the vast stretches of cosmic time?

God probably thinks our universe sucks because it doesn't even look like a star wars movie yet. Were like the ugly step child universe that doesn't even have intergalactic travel. Im sure he has much cooler universes to worry about.

 

[tinselwolverine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55dUhhY8qJk

Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion
started. Wait…
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unravelling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!
“Since the dawn of man” is really not that long,
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes
to sing this song.
A fraction of a second and the elements were made.
The bipeds stood up straight,
The dinosaurs all met their fate,
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and pangea
See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang!
It all started with the big BANG!
It’s expanding ever outward but one day
It will cause the stars to go the other way,
Collapsing ever inward, we won’t be here, it wont be
hurt
Our best and brightest figure that it’ll make an even
bigger bang!
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us
Debating out while here they’re catching deer (we’re
catching viruses)
Religion or astronomy, Encarta, Deuteronomy
It all started with the big bang!
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology
It all started with the big bang!
It all started with the big BANG!

 

[redandguilty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55dUhhY8qJk

Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion
started. Wait?
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unravelling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!
?Since the dawn of man? is really not that long,
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes
to sing this song.
A fraction of a second and the elements were made.
The bipeds stood up straight,
The dinosaurs all met their fate,
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and pangea
See ya, wouldn?t wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang!
It all started with the big BANG!
It?s expanding ever outward but one day
It will cause the stars to go the other way,
Collapsing ever inward, we won?t be here, it wont be
hurt
Our best and brightest figure that it?ll make an even
bigger bang!
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us
Debating out while here they?re catching deer (we?re
catching viruses)
Religion or astronomy, Encarta, Deuteronomy
It all started with the big bang!
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology
It all started with the big bang!
It all started with the big BANG!

I didn't know there was a whole song!!

Got the dinosaurs wrong. They're not gone, they're birds.
http://xkcd.com/1211/

 

[KAWDUP]

the subject is god spoke to someone lol....really? the guy was either on drugs or....the pope. IFFFFFF there is a god.....he not watching us. And hes definitely not wasting his time talking to us.

Well I can certainly see why He wouldn't waste his time talking to you. You got it all figured out. Awesome for you.

You are a master debater - you should take your crap on the road. Most would just laugh at the ignorance, but at least you wouldn't be boring.

Amazing how baiting someone can go both ways, eh?

 

[mhughes0021]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55dUhhY8qJk

Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion
started. Wait?
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unravelling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!
?Since the dawn of man? is really not that long,
As every galaxy was formed in less time than it takes
to sing this song.
A fraction of a second and the elements were made.
The bipeds stood up straight,
The dinosaurs all met their fate,
They tried to leap but they were late
And they all died (they froze their asses off)
The oceans and pangea
See ya, wouldn?t wanna be ya
Set in motion by the same big bang!
It all started with the big BANG!
It?s expanding ever outward but one day
It will cause the stars to go the other way,
Collapsing ever inward, we won?t be here, it wont be
hurt
Our best and brightest figure that it?ll make an even
bigger bang!
Australopithecus would really have been sick of us
Debating out while here they?re catching deer (we?re
catching viruses)
Religion or astronomy, Encarta, Deuteronomy
It all started with the big bang!
Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology
It all started with the big bang!
It all started with the big BANG!

good show lol

 

[redandguilty]

Morgan Freeman Through the Wormhole is on right now talking about survival after the sun expands and beyond.

 

[GoBlueInAtlanta]

It took me a while to get back here for a couple reasons: I had to catch up after being out of town for a week and a half and, honestly, I’ve had a hard time finding the motivation to come back to answer basic questions that anyone with a passing knowledge of the Bible wouldn’t ask.

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I had some time Friday so I read through the thread looking for the passage that you posted regarding the slavery issue. I didn’t want to be accused of using a different portion of scripture and have you allege that I was supposedly trying to skirt the issue by using different scripture. It took an hour and a half, but I finally found it in Post 352 -​

"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever."

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Knowledge you must have/Concepts you must comprehend if you wish to understand this issue -​

To whom the Bible is written and to whom the specific passage pertains​

Man’s Free Will​

God’s Permissive Will

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There is not one word in the Bible written to YOU or any other individual who rejects God. The Bible is written to God’s children, whether Jews in the Old Testament or Jews plus the Gentiles in the New Testament who have been “grafted into the vine” (those who chose/choose to be adopted into God’s family). This is not to say that you (Monster, Quiluse, Q, whatever) can’t benefit from reading it as there is much wisdom written therein. The slavery rules in this passage of scripture are written to God’s people about God’s people.

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In Post 440 you wrote this misconception -​

3. (God) Condones slavery, even setting up rules about it

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Your premise is wrong and everything you believe about the issue is based on faulty thinking.

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At no point does God approve of slavery. A person might assume He does since there were rules laid out, but only if that person were unaware of the tangential issues of Man’s Free Will and God’s Permissive Will. (I will say at this point that making assumptions [including your anthropomorphism of God] appears to be your Achilles Heel. Deeper study of the scriptures would help alleviate that problem.)

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MAN, due to the “hardness of his heart,” decided to enslave others for his own benefit. This hardness of heart issue is a theme exposed throughout the Bible and always turned out disastrous. Many times God warned His people not to be hard of heart so the weakest members would be spared exploitation. Having the Free Will to decide for themselves to take others as slaves does not mean that God approved. Content does not equal consent – this is a basic principle when studying the Bible. Just because the Bible says something does not mean it is good. There are many, many scriptures which delineate beliefs, acts, and philosophies of man that are purely humanistic and are displayed as a warning of their destructiveness.

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GOD, in accordance with His creation of man as an autonomous being, allowed but disagreed with this decision and therefore, as His people made several warnings to them regarding this choice. He set limitations on time and treatment of those taken into slavery so as to minimize the negative results of the selfish actions of the masters. He then set the community as guardians of those enslaved, saying in Leviticus, “you must see to it that his owner does not rule over him ruthlessly.” God’s mindset against this humanistic arrangement is carried on into the New Testament in such verses as Ephesians 6:7-9 NIV “Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free. And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.” and Colossians 4:1 NIV “Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.” “Do not rule over them ruthlessly” and “provide what is right and fair” don’t sound much like statements of the type of slavery that you are attempting to attribute to God’s approval. Plus, there was the ability of an individual to sell himself into slavery. He received the appropriate amount for a slave then served for six years before being released. Sounds very much like an employer hiring a man for six years, treating him with the respect demanded by the “rules,” while the slave learned how to run a farm (the society being mostly agronomic).

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So…(directly from your posted portion of scripture) –

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“he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.” Slaves were to serve for a limited amount of time then be set free without any debt remaining, far from the perpetual slavery of early America with which you wish to associate it and want people to believe.

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“If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him”. He goes out as he came in.

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“If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.” The six year time limit being satisfied by the slave did not apply to the family (just as today the Salvation of the head of house does not apply to all in the house).

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“But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever." If the slave decided that he loved his master, meaning the master had demonstrated over time that he respected and cared for the well-being of the slave, the slave had the option of remaining with the master and the master was then given the permanent responsibility of caring for the slave and his family (his master must present him before God ).

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I mentioned earlier in this thread that it is helpful to understand our relationship with God by comparing it to a grown child’s relationship with their parents. God/parents give upbringing, training, advice based on what is healthy for the recipient. We and the now-adult child have the right/ability to decide for ourselves what we want to do, BUT we do not have the right to do as we wish as it concerns the kingdom of God/the parents’ house and those contained therein. For instance, you have children still living at home and your grown child may choose to do something against your advice such as drive while drunk, snort coke, participate in home break-ins, to which you would put rules in place by replying “Not with my car,” “Not in my house,” “Not in my neighborhood.” If he continually disregarded your wishes you might eventually reach the point of calling the police if your other children are put in danger by the elder’s actions.

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In the same way, these masters willfully chose to disregard God’s principle that every person has intrinsic worth and should be treated with respect and allowed to remain free, so He put rules in place to protect those who needed His protection even to the point of making the master responsible for the welfare of the slave. These masters were also reminded that they were within God’s household and would adhere to the rules or face their Master in heaven.

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Extra note: I do have to say that in rereading the thread it was quite amusing to see how many times you attempted to make it appear as if you are taking the moral high road. I mean, c’mon man, it’s not as if Atheism and morality are synonymous. In fact, they are totally incompatible.​

 

[Monster]

Wow, you are beyond the point of ignorant.

Dude, the 10 commandments include things like, "thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not steal", and "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's possessions". It does not lay out rules for killing, stealing, or sleeping with your neighbor's hot wife. The bible makes no mention of "thou shalt not own another person". It specifically tells you who you can buy, how to buy, how to treat. You're using the same argument that I always hear. This is supposed to be God's word and for Him to lay out rules for slavery, but never condemning it, you should be ashamed as a Christian.

And Atheism isn't synonymous with morality? Yeah, and God sending an army in to slaughter an entire village, killing unborn babies, children, men, women, that is moral? The bible and the Q'uran are both full of immoral people, acts, and ideas.

You know where I get mine? I get mine from knowing that killing, stealing, cheating, lying, and looking down on people are wrong. I would never want any of those things to happen to me, so why should i do them to other people? OH, and I learned this before I knew anything about God or the bible.

You don't need the bible or any other religion to be a moral person. If that was the case, this world would be a lot worse off. Sure, there are bad atheists that are despicable people, but it's the same with Christians. You can dispute that if you want to, but you'll just make yourself look even worse.

 

[mhughes0021]

Wow, you are beyond the point of ignorant.

Dude, the 10 commandments include things like, "thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not steal", and "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's possessions". It does not lay out rules for killing, stealing, or sleeping with your neighbor's hot wife. The bible makes no mention of "thou shalt not own another person". It specifically tells you who you can buy, how to buy, how to treat. You're using the same argument that I always hear. This is supposed to be God's word and for Him to lay out rules for slavery, but never condemning it, you should be ashamed as a Christian.

And Atheism isn't synonymous with morality? Yeah, and God sending an army in to slaughter an entire village, killing unborn babies, children, men, women, that is moral? The bible and the Q'uran are both full of immoral people, acts, and ideas.

You know where I get mine? I get mine from knowing that killing, stealing, cheating, lying, and looking down on people are wrong. I would never want any of those things to happen to me, so why should i do them to other people? OH, and I learned this before I knew anything about God or the bible.

You don't need the bible or any other religion to be a moral person. If that was the case, this world would be a lot worse off. Sure, there are bad atheists that are despicable people, but it's the same with Christians. You can dispute that if you want to, but you'll just make yourself look even worse.

The entire premise of religion is based on fear and control. When I was a kid I wanted to do good cause I was afraid that god would be upset if I did something bad. Now i have a mexican wife....so I don't need to be afraid of what jesus or god think anymore.

Control cause they think ppl would freak out if they knew that once they die they are just food for bugs in the ground....it gives those silly people that think your soul floats away something to hope for.

 

[Thumb]

I mean, c’mon man, it’s not as if Atheism and morality are synonymous.

The same could easily be said about Christianity. But at least Jesus will forgive you guys right?