Pelosi: Gingrich presidency "not going to happen"

[mhughes0021]

Right it has nothing to with being actually and honestly sorry for the sin, right?

the sins you guys have spoke of have been eating cheeseburgers and abortion....2 things you shouldnt have to ask forgiveness for imo.

 

[KAWDUP]

Right it has nothing to with being actually and honestly sorry for the sin, right?

the sins you guys have spoke of have been eating cheeseburgers and abortion....2 things you shouldnt have to ask forgiveness for imo.

We don't have to continue this conversation. I can see you are coming from an entirely different view of religion. That is OK.

To answer what you said, though, . . . where did I say anything about asking for forgiveness? Not saying it doesn't happen, and certainly in the Sacrament of Confession, you do confess your sins, but atonement and contrition have an important component that you keep ignoring - you have to be really and truthfully sorry for it. If you're not, asking for forgivness as it relates to the sin may make you feel better about it, but does nothing as it relates to the sin.

Also, if you believe abortion is murder, not that YOU do, then wouldn't that be a "sin" in your world?

OK I'm done. You are bringing a "knife to a gun fight", and this is not really all that entertaining for the readers or me.

 

[KAWDUP]

Yeah riiight - I am ignorant. Shows just how much you really know. Keep believing that crap if you want. It truly does not bother me in any way.

Where in the hell did you get that I think Pelosi is a traitor to her religion? I never said that, don't normally use terms like that, and I believe nothing of the kind, because that is a judgement I cannot make. It is up to the individual to make that call for themselves.

No sins are "okay", BUT . . . there is no sin that, if you honestly are sorry for the action, can not be forgiven and thus allow you into the kingdom of heaven or to put it in the words of this discussion - allow you to be a good Catholic. Key word here is honestly. I certainly would never think that I could tell that. . . . and that is the point.

Had enough yet?

You're too busy trying attribute a superiority complex to me that doesn't exist. What a nut you are sometimes.

Just an FYI - I believe one should never make a moral issue into a political one or one on which you would make a political decision over. I just don't. Sorry to disappoint you.

You joined this discussion on your own, if it makes you uncomfortable, just go away.

And you're arguing my point, that since sins are forgivable Pelosi cant be a "traitor" to her religion.

That's all I was pointing out was that people can't cherry pick who they decide to persecute over their religious beliefs.

If Smayshmouth wants to label Pelosi a "traitor" to her religion, they by his definition most everyone is a "traitor" to their religion.

I think at some point you got so wrapped up in ranting, you forgot what point you were getting at.

Well I think I started by answering your rant that sounded like you making a statement about the nearly 1 billion Catholics in the world. I always knew I was "ranting" about that. I do my best, however, not to judge where it comes morality, but that doesn't mean I am not pro-life. I am.

You won't hear me call Pelosi a traitor to her religion, but that doesn't mean I agree with her position on abortion either.

Get the difference?

I'll stop "ranting" at you.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Its awfully wrong how many Catholics vote for a democrat candidate when you're taught to be pro life. Which differs on the democrats ticket.

I'll be back next month with another opinion. Cheers.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Right it has nothing to with being actually and honestly sorry for the sin, right?

the sins you guys have spoke of have been eating cheeseburgers and abortion....2 things you shouldnt have to ask forgiveness for imo.

Hmmmm....Cheeseburgers and Abortion....what a concept...

I'm wondering what the jingle would be....

"hold the pickle

hold the fetus

Special interests

won't defeat us..."

This would be something that liberals and conservatives could both hate!!!

A place that was killing kids...AND making them fat!

 

[Thumb]

Mitch[/color]]Its awfully wrong how many Catholics vote for a democrat candidate when you're taught to be pro life. Which differs on the democrats ticket.

I'll be back next month with another opinion. Cheers.

Almost as wrong as the idea that a person can't make up their own mind on issues.

Where do I sign up for the Mindless Robot Party, Mitch?

 

[KAWDUP]

Adding to what MI_Thumb is saying . . . (At least I think so)

1) Who are you to judge Catholics for voting for who they want?
2) Why is it that you can't separate the moral decsion from the political one?
3) So you can't vote for someone to run the country who doesn't have all the exact same views on right and wrong as you?

All rhetorical questions really. I'm just sayin' . . .

 

[byco42]

Caught up on this and I stand by my statement. Pelosi is willfully defying Catholic doctrine on abortion by actively and publically advocating it. She cannot call herself a devout Catholic and champion abortion at the same time. The church has vehemently opposed abortion since the first century.

If she has ever read Catechism of the Catholic Church 2270-2273, there is nothing in that language that remotely supports her weak and equivocating statement of "no one knows when life begins" or that abortion is an issue of "conscience" ... a "conscious thing" that Catholics need to overcome.

Were she the devout Catholic who honored and loved her faith as she has claimed on the record, she would oppose abortion with the fanaticism with which she defends it.

 

[tinselwolverine]

In Rowe vs. Wade the Supreme Court referred to an Aquinian theory that life began after three months of pregnancy...

 

[byco42]

TinselWolverine[/color]]In Rowe vs. Wade the Supreme Court referred to an Aquinian theory that life began after three months of pregnancy...

Thomas was talking about ensoulment, which, in his opinion, took place weeks after conception. He still opposed abortion from the time of conception.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Yeah, but I've heard Pelosi reference that citation from Rowe when defending her Catholicism vis a vis her position on abortion, nevertheless.

You call him Thomas? You're on like, a first name basis?

 

[byco42]

TinselWolverine[/color]]Yeah, but I've heard Pelosi reference that citation from Rowe when defending her Catholicism vis a vis her position on abortion, nevertheless.

You call him Thomas? You're on like, a first name basis?

Well, as you can see, she's wrong, mistaken, or deliberately distorting his statement. Or sifting what little she can from it to support the unsupportable. Which is not possible anyway.

And I am on a first name basis with the saints, but I usually add the title "Saint" ... even when I yell at them. They don't mind.

Except for The Blessed Mother. I don't yell at her.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I guess you and ol' Tom have kind of a special thing then, since you seem pretty comfortable in dispensing with the formalities as relating to him...

 

[byco42]

TinselWolverine[/color]]I guess you and ol' Tom have kind of a special thing then, since you seem pretty comfortable in dispensing with the formalities as relating to him...

The saints were people just like you and me and many of them were just as broken. And I did use the more formal "Thomas", BTW. So yes, I do feel comfortable using their first names, like, you know ... the way that millions use the name of Jesus, for example, to refer to the Son of God.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I think Jesus's actual name was Yeshua. Yeshua ben Yosef, I think.

 

[byco42]

TinselWolverine[/color]]I think Jesus's actual name was Yeshua. Yeshua ben Yosef, I think.

No "s" after the apostrophe when expressing Jesus in the possessive. And I'm aware that Jesus Christ is more of a title than a name.

 

[tinselwolverine]

TinselWolverine[/color]]I think Jesus's actual name was Yeshua. Yeshua ben Yosef, I think.

No "s" after the apostrophe when expressing Jesus in the possessive. And I'm aware that Jesus Christ is more of a title than a name.

Of course you are.

And I'm also seeing the posessive of Jesus spelt both ways on web searches.

Is Jesus' the way Saint Thomas spelt it?

 

[Thumb]

Caught up on this and I stand by my statement. Pelosi is willfully defying Catholic doctrine on abortion by actively and publically advocating it. She cannot call herself a devout Catholic and champion abortion at the same time. The church has vehemently opposed abortion since the first century.

If she has ever read Catechism of the Catholic Church 2270-2273, there is nothing in that language that remotely supports her weak and equivocating statement of "no one knows when life begins" or that abortion is an issue of "conscience" ... a "conscious thing" that Catholics need to overcome.

Were she the devout Catholic who honored and loved her faith as she has claimed on the record, she would oppose abortion with the fanaticism with which she defends it.

So then attack her on her position in politics, don't bring up her religion.

Say "I don't like Pelosi because she supports killing babies".

But you went much deeper than that, and turned this into a religious debate, when religion has nothing to do with how well a person would run a government.

JFK was Catholic, and Republicans all cried out he would be a Papist and adjust U.S. policy to whatever the Vatican told him....except he didn't.

Mitt is a Mormon, and while I believe in the end that will cost him a lot of votes, it shouldn't.

Politics is public, religion should be private, like someone said, a persons spiritual beliefs should only be judged by their maker, not some guy on a message board.

 

[byco42]

TinselWolverine[/color]]

No "s" after the apostrophe when expressing Jesus in the possessive. And I'm aware that Jesus Christ is more of a title than a name.

Of course you are.

And I'm also seeing the posessive of Jesus spelt both ways on web searches.

Is Jesus' the way Saint Thomas spelt it?

I'm a Strunk and White guy and whatever they say about grammar I consider as ... gospel.

Anyway ... how 'bout Congresswoman Pelosi declaring that Gingrich in the White House is "never going to happen." Who does she think she is, Vito Corelone, and Newt just another pezzanovante?

 

[tinselwolverine]

JFK was Catholic, and Republicans all cried out he would be a Papist and adjust U.S. policy to whatever the Vatican told him....except he didn't.

Don't let the liberal media fool you. That's only because they wacked his ass before he got around to it.

After Kennedy would have been re-elected, there was going to be a statue of The Holy Virgin in every public building.

And a surtax of 10% on everybody was going to go straight to Rome.