Pope: financial market are a tyranny

[redandguilty]

Here it comes. With all the Catholic swing voters, this kind of talk could make a difference.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130516/world/money-has-to-serve-not-to-rule-pope.469992

 

[Thumb]

Oh my god. The pope is a democrat!

 

[redandguilty]

Oh my god. The pope is a democrat!

A couple Popes ago, they used to lean pretty socialist in S. America.

 

[Michchamp]

did the pope make the grammatical error in the thread title, or did Red?

since the pope is infallible (or is that only in regards to church doctrine?) I'm guessing it was Red.

 

[Michchamp]

A couple Popes ago, they used to lean pretty socialist in S. America.

well... a few did. they quickly ended up like this:

 

[KAWDUP]

did the pope make the grammatical error in the thread title, or did Red?

since the pope is infallible (or is that only in regards to church doctrine?) I'm guessing it was Red.

The infallibility must follow pretty stict rules for when it applies. Even as man-made as it is, it has only been applied a very small number of times in the history of the church.

Being on important doctrine is just one of the requirements.


EDIT: yeah it was Red that missed it in the title. :*)

 

[redandguilty]

did the pope make the grammatical error in the thread title, or did Red?

since the pope is infallible (or is that only in regards to church doctrine?) I'm guessing it was Red.

Yup. The grammar was me.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The Church has always been a big liberal lefty organization on fiscal issues; nothing to see here folks; I went to see John Paul II at the Silverdome like, 25 years ago, and he was saying the same thing.

 

[redandguilty]

The Church has always been a big liberal lefty organization on fiscal issues; nothing to see here folks; I went to see John Paul II at the Silverdome like, 25 years ago, and he was saying the same thing.

This Pope isn't technically saying anything different from previous Popes, but the change in emphasis and news coverage could shift the voting.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The Pope is already showing signs of senility anyway; look at the picture, he appears to be listening intensely to someone who is speaking to him on an imaginary phone he's holding up to his ear.

Maybe that's the Pope to God phone-or at least he thinks it is.

 

[TheVictors]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this Pope Jesuit and aren't Jesuits always more about charity and humility and in the Mother Teresa/St Francis of Assisi mode, foresake material goods....?

 

[KAWDUP]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this Pope Jesuit and aren't Jesuits always more about charity and humility and in the Mother Teresa/St Francis of Assisi mode, foresake material goods....?

Well all Roman Catholic clergy take a vow of poverty.

Off the top of my head:
1) Back in the day, the Jesuits were the order that was all about reform and keeping up with the times.
2) Throughout history, they were very much into world affairs - both political and religious.
3) They are very loyal to the papacy.
4) Education is one of their primary missions.
5) They have no trouble thinking of themselves as leaders of the church.

 

[redandguilty]

Well all Roman Catholic clergy take a vow of poverty.

Off the top of my head:
1) Back in the day, the Jesuits were the order that was all about reform and keeping up with the times.
2) Throughout history, they were very much into world affairs - both political and religious.
3) They are very loyal to the papacy.
4) Education is one of their primary missions.
5) They have no trouble thinking of themselves as leaders of the church.

I thought the religious orders people took a vow of poverty, but the bulk of the priests out there do not.

 

[byco42]

I thought the religious orders people took a vow of poverty, but the bulk of the priests out there do not.

Religious orders do take poverty vows, Diocesan priests are not required to take poverty vows.

 

[Michchamp]

the jesuits were founded as part of the counter-reformation, no? wasnt their nick "the shock troops of the vatican?"

I have a couple amusing anecdotes regarding their arrogance and incompetence. I can share them here if you like. they will probably irritate byco (cause he sent his kids to u of d) and kawdup (because he's a traitor to the ideals of the blessed brother ed rice and defended the jesuits last time we spoke.)

 

[Michchamp]

Religious orders do take poverty vows, Diocesan priests are not required to take poverty vows.

I never knew that, but it makes sense. our parish priest's office growing up was well furnished and completly resplendent; he even had.a white bearskin rug and fantastic desk. we were always in awe of the majesty of the church, and knew our place as its humble servants. he drove a very nice luxury sedan, which would have kept christ himself in comfort, were he to return and need to tour his kingdom (the parts in metro detroit at least.)

 

[byco42]

the jesuits were founded as part of the counter-reformation, no? wasnt their nick "the shock troops of the vatican?"

I have a couple amusing anecdotes regarding their arrogance and incompetence. I can share them here if you like. they will probably irritate byco (cause he sent his kids to u of d) and kawdup (because he's a traitor to the ideals of the blessed brother ed rice)

Whatever. People are flawed. But if it somehow validates your world view, go ahead. I'm sure I can match you, given my experience with U of D, but I'll not steal your stage.

 

[redandguilty]

the jesuits were founded as part of the counter-reformation, no? wasnt their nick "the shock troops of the vatican?"

I have a couple amusing anecdotes regarding their arrogance and incompetence. I can share them here if you like. they will probably irritate byco (cause he sent his kids to u of d) and kawdup (because he's a traitor to the ideals of the blessed brother ed rice and defended the jesuits last time we spoke.)

My understanding is that the founder lost control of the organization in his own lifetime so there's room for interpretation between the founder's intentions and the early history.

 

[KAWDUP]

I thought the religious orders people took a vow of poverty, but the bulk of the priests out there do not.

A mis-statement to be sure. A huge majority of religious orders take a vow of poverty. Diocesan priests do not fall into this category, (they are ordained to serve in a particular diocese), but since they are Roman Catholic clergy, my statement should have been qualified.

My apologies.

 

[redandguilty]

knew our place as its humble servants.

I can't relate. Granted, I've never been a member of a wealthy parish, but in the ones I've been a part of, parishioners politically bicker and fight as much as homeowner's associations or parent-teacher organizations.