Porcello trade scenarios?

[Mitchrapp]

He's a better version of Delmon Young, his only offensive value comes from his HR power he's a bad defender, and he really wouldn't provide anything more than a marginal improvement over Dirks, if he provides any improvement at all.

Okay. He does look like he walks little and k's a ton. And I see that he was at 1B for 20 games and more at DH, a sign that he's not much of an OF.

 

[Mitchrapp]

For me it probably comes down to how much can we expect to see out of Porcello this season if he stays. He looks to be the odd man out so we have to get something back. So as long as we don't get back a bad contract, I'd probably take anything that is even marginal makes the team better.

 

[mjsb2]

If I'm giving up Castellanos, I want a good player in return.

Aybar and Trumbo are both solid players, but they're role players, and I wouldn't call either good players, merely solid.

 

[turok]

If the Tigers were to trade Porcello to the Angels for either Bourjos or less likely, Trumbo, I would prefer the latter b/c of his PH ability off the bench except perhaps in inter-league games on the road, when they could use VMart. But both Ajax and Dirks spent time on the DL last season, so Trumbo's defense would be suspect in the OF, IF one of the two again or maybe Hunter were to be injured and go on the DL next season. The Angels obviously do not need another OFer, so the Tigers could not include Brennan in a trade. Boesch by himself won't fetch much, and I think that the best way to increase his value slightly is to include him in a trade with Porcello or maybe Peralta, IF the Tigers were to trade Kid Rick for a better fielding but perhaps offensively limited SS.

At any rate it is obviously impossible to predict where the Tigers might need temporary help on the field or on the mound due to injuries. Both Scherzer and Fister were injured for awhile last season, and it would suck if the Tigers traded Porcello, only to lose two SP to the DL ~the same time, much less one at a time.

Tigers are also counting on increased offensive production from both Hunter and the returning VMart. But one or both could possibly have down seasons @ the plate, and one or more of Avila, Peralta, AJax, Prince, and/or Dirks could experience lower offensive production as well.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

If I'm giving up Castellanos, I want a good player in return.

Aybar and Trumbo are both solid players, but they're role players, and I wouldn't call either good players, merely solid.

I see both as starters, and above average ones at that. Both are young and controlled, which is a huge bonus too.

I'd love to see someone like Andrus or Stanton instead, but that's probably a lot less realistic.

 

[tomdalton22]

If the Tigers were to trade Porcello to the Angels for either Bourjos or less likely, Trumbo, I would prefer the latter b/c of his PH ability off the bench in inter-league games. But both Ajax and Dirks spent time on the DL last season, so Trumbo's defense would be suspect in the OF, IF one of the two again or maybe Hunter were to be injured and go on the DL next season. The Angels obviously do not need another OFer, so the Tigers could not include Brennan in a trade. Boesch by himself won't fetch much, and I think that the best way to increase his value slightly is to include him in a trade with Porcello or maybe Peralta, IF the Tigers were to trade Kid Rick for a better fielding but perhaps offensively limited SS.

At any rate it is obviously impossible to predict where the Tigers might need temporary help on the field or on the mound due to injuries. Both Scherzer and Fister were injured for awhile last season, and it would suck if the Tigers traded Porcello, only to lose two SP to the DL ~the same time, much less one at a time.

Tigers are also counting on increased offensive production from both Hunter and the returning VMart. But one or both could possibly have down seasons @ the plate, and one or more of Avila, Peralta, AJax, Prince, and/or Dirks could experience lower offensive production as well.

Right now Porcello is much more of a luxury than a need. Even if he can bring you 2 quality bench players and a reliver I think it is worth the trade. I think the Tigers depth is terrible. My scenarios that would all make the team better vs. keeping him.

1) Trade him for a quality corner OF
2) Trade him for an upgrade at SS (not going to happen without throwing in a top prospect)
3) Trade him for a set up type relief pitcher.
4) Trade him for 2 nice bench players and a relief pitcher

 

[mjsb2]

You have to expect at least 10-15 starts from a SP who isn't the rotation.

Keeping Porcello does provide insurance, rather than Wilk or Crosby getting those starts, it'll be Porcllo or Smyly.

If we keep Porcello, we have SP depth, if we trade him, we don't.

There's no need to trade him unless we get a good return, and we could always trade him later on.

I wouldn't trade him for bench players or a RP.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

You have to expect at least 10-15 starts from a SP who isn't the rotation.

Keeping Porcello does provide insurance, rather than Wilk or Crosby getting those starts, it'll be Porcllo or Smyly.

If we keep Porcello, we have SP depth, if we trade him, we don't.

There's no need to trade him unless we get a good return, and we could always trade him later on.

I wouldn't trade him for bench players or a RP.

I agree 100% with you here.

 

[spockmaster]

You have to expect at least 10-15 starts from a SP who isn't the rotation.

Keeping Porcello does provide insurance, rather than Wilk or Crosby getting those starts, it'll be Porcllo or Smyly.

If we keep Porcello, we have SP depth, if we trade him, we don't.

There's no need to trade him unless we get a good return, and we could always trade him later on.

I wouldn't trade him for bench players or a RP.

yep. if we dont get a good/great ss or of for him, we should sit on him till the trade deadline.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Of course if we don't get anything good its not worth trading. No brainer.

 

[wheels002]

I would love to get Trumbo. I really like that kid. If we can get him we need to do what ever we have to.

 

[mjsb2]

I would love to get Trumbo. I really like that kid. If we can get him we need to do what ever we have to.

He was no better than Dirks last year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

They're both pretty similar in their young careers offensively though I really like the fact Dirks is not a strikeout machine. 153 k's is a bit much, like Trumbo. Finally got rid of the strikeout king B. Inge and his strikeout sidekick Raburn, I'd hate to add anther.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

He was no better than Dirks last year.

I hope this isn't a serious statement. Trumbo was an all-star who had 32HR and 95RBI and played in 144 games. Dirks played in 88 games and put up 8HR and 35RBI. Trumbo had nearly twice the total bases as Dirks did (267 v. 153) and has put up close to the same numbers in two consecutive seasons. Dirks did a great job for us last year, but I highly doubt he's going to be a .300+ hitter in MLB. The track record and stats would indicate that he played well above his head last year in a limited role for us. That said, I do see a lot of positives in Dirks's game that make me think he'll be a solid major leaguer.

 

[Thumb]

I hope this isn't a serious statement. Trumbo was an all-star who had 32HR and 95RBI and played in 144 games. Dirks played in 88 games and put up 8HR and 35RBI. Trumbo had nearly twice the total bases as Dirks did (267 v. 153) and has put up close to the same numbers in two consecutive seasons. Dirks did a great job for us last year, but I highly doubt he's going to be a .300+ hitter in MLB. The track record and stats would indicate that he played well above his head last year in a limited role for us. That said, I do see a lot of positives in Dirks's game that make me think he'll be a solid major leaguer.

He's both right and wrong.

Dirks had better BA, OBP, wOBA, and wRC+. but also had almost half as many AB's as Trumbo.

Trumbo had better Slg., ISO, WAR, HR and RBI.

The main difference is Dirks only played half a season.

It all boils down to if you think those 88 games of Dirks were flukey or not. and Trumbo's 2012 was very similar to his 2011, while Dirks 2012 was significantly better then his 2011, is almost the same number of games.

IMO, Trumbo is the better player. Yes, he's going to walk slightly less, and strikeout more, but in the end his production will outweigh that.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

He's both right and wrong.

Dirks had better BA, OBP, wOBA, and wRC+. but also had almost half as many AB's as Trumbo.

Trumbo had better Slg., ISO, WAR, HR and RBI.

The main difference is Dirks only played half a season.

It all boils down to if you think those 88 games of Dirks were flukey or not. and Trumbo's 2012 was very similar to his 2011, while Dirks 2012 was significantly better then his 2011, is almost the same number of games.

IMO, Trumbo is the better player. Yes, he's going to walk slightly less, and strikeout more, but in the end his production will outweigh that.

I do think they were flukey in that I don't see Dirks as a .320 hitter like he was for the games he played in. I think he's probably more realistically a .270 hitter if we're lucky. Not a knock on him, and I did like his game this season, but he kind of came out of nowhere and I don't believe he's had success like this at any level of the minors either. I'd love him to be the real deal, but he'll need a repeat performance over a larger series of games before I start buying into him being more than a bench player or AAAA guy.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

I don't want Trumbo. Advanced metrics place him as a negative defender, and he's all power. That is, he doesn't hit for a good average, doesn't get on base, and strikes out a LOT. Power is great, but our team isn't lacking power, it's lacking defense, OBP, and speed. Trumbo doesn't improve any of those areas for us.

I'd much rather have Bourjos. Bourjos doesn't provide much bat (though he was better than Trumbo in 2011), but he's fantastic defensively. He's someone who could spell Jackson in center from time to time while providing a great glove at the corners. As a utility OFer, he makes more sense than the superflous Trumbo.

 

[Rebbiv]

My two cents. I do not want Trumbo. He is marginally above average offensively for a corner OFer and he sucks defensively. I deplore hitters who cannot take a walk. I wouldn't trade Porcello straight up for him.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I read that the Tigers have gotten around a dozen calls on Porcello already. Sounds like there could be a pretty big interest in him, which is never a bad thing for the trading team to have.

 

[durtymrclean]

Out of all the pitching options left on the market (unless Seattle gets blown away by an offer for king felix) Porcello is the best one left when you consider age, cost, durability, contract control, and talent.