Porcello trade scenarios?

[tigerfantroy]

I don't understand all the talk of getting rid of Peralta. They keep bringing up Hardy and others that I don't feel are much better than JP. I say don't worry about shortstop. Peralta will have a bounce back year. Maybe not all star but good enough. In addition I'm not in a big hurry to deal Porcello either. Just trying to come up with best case scenarios with the teams we are supposedly talking to. Not doing very well either. Lol

 

[turok]

I dunno about "hating" Jhonny, its more b/c of the Tigers overall IF range on defense being maligned, IMO, not only by some Tigers fans, but especially by many fans of other AL teams and MSM sports ANALysts and scribes, although Miggy isn't/wasn't quite as bad defensively as they have made him out to be @ 3B. The ballclub still has Ramon signed for next season, and his performance on D and especially O is much more likely to be "somewhat" less than adequate or satisfactory, especially if/when he is penciled in Leyland's infamous Sunday afternoon lineups.

The Tigers FO still could make a trade for a better UT middle IFer during the off-season, but they probably won't, since it appears that they don't place as much value on who comprises their bench, at this point being Worth, Boesch, Santiago, Pena, (and maybe Berry?) despite the potential for injuries, resting regulars, and making substitutions late in games and on Sundays.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The problem with that, the names that have been brought up - Drew, guy from the Indians and a slew of others, their defense isn't any better. Peralta looks like an All Star compared to some of those guys.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You want to know what a bad trade is - my game MLB the Show 12 just traded Jacob Turner and Jhonny P. For J.J Hardy. Lol.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Anybody have ESPN Insider? There's a Porcello story on there that says it was updated today.

Is Porcello as good as gone?
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[spockmaster]

"The Detroit Tigers are believed to have had conversations with a number of clubs regarding right-hander Rick Porcello, according to reports. With a few moves last week, however, the Tigers' potential trade partners may have been altered.
The Angels picked up Jason Vargas from Seattle, and the Cubs signed both Carlos Villanueva and Edwin Jackson -- so both clubs could be out on Porcello now.
The Mariners may be in play, as could the Pirates, Rockies and Padres, all of whom have been mentioned as possible fits. Jon Morosi of FOXSports.com noted that the Orioles have been in contact with Detroit, too, although the Baltimore Sun's Eduardo Encina doesn't necessarily see a match involving a Porcello-for-J.J. Hardy possibility.
The Tigers still have a need in their bullpen, particularly at the back end, so if Porcello is going to be traded, it would make sense for GM Dave Dombrowski to target a high-leverage reliever who could close, in case Bruce Rondon -- a rookie with shaky control and no experience in the majors -- isn't able to handle the role."


juat espn rumor masturbating. if we actually do end up trading porcello for relievers or platoon players, im gonna be pissed.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The Detroit Tigers are believed to have had conversations with a number of clubs regarding right-hander Rick Porcello, according to reports. With a few moves last week, however, the Tigers' potential trade partners may have been altered.

The Angels picked up Jason Vargas from Seattle, and the Cubs signed both Carlos Villanueva and Edwin Jackson -- so both clubs could be out on Porcello now.

The Mariners may be in play, as could the Pirates, Rockies and Padres, all of whom have been mentioned as possible fits. Jon Morosi of FOXSports.com noted that the Orioles have been in contact with Detroit, too, although the Baltimore Sun's Eduardo Encina doesn't necessarily see a match involving a Porcello-for-J.J. Hardy possibility.

The Tigers still have a need in their bullpen, particularly at the back end, so if Porcello is going to be traded, it would make sense for GM Dave Dombrowski to target a high-leverage reliever who could close, in case Bruce Rondon -- a rookie with shaky control and no experience in the majors -- isn't able to handle the role.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Yep, same ole same ole..

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Thanks guys. I f'n hate ESPN.

 

[Mitchrapp]

We all do. Not sure why I still have Insider. The ESPN Magazine I throw away as soon as I get it.

 

[turok]

The Tigers still have a need in their bullpen, particularly at the back end, so if Porcello is going to be traded, it would make sense for GM Dave Dombrowski to target a high-leverage reliever who could close, in case Bruce Rondon -- a rookie with shaky control and no experience in the majors -- isn't able to handle the role."

If we actually do end up trading porcello for relievers or platoon players, im gonna be pissed.

Likewise, an RP for Porcello, or a platoon player for LF? Nope, better to package Porcello if necessary, with Boesch and/or Santiago and/or Worth, and/or Berry, and maybe receive a better return in any trade. Perhaps it would be wise to hang onto Rick, and trade him just prior to the trade deadline next July, IF the Tigers aren't going to be offered anyone who has nearly equal or hopefully better value, just to make a trade in the first place. Almost 2/3 of the season will have been completed by then, and the Tigers might even have their own issues with their roto and already would have needed him to spot start some games, if not pitch a portion of them in long relief earlier.

Since MLB has added another WC slot there will likely be more teams who are contending much later in the season, in at least two divisions in both the NL and AL, and some that may become more desperate to add a SP to their roto, due to injury, unexpectedly poor performance, lack of ML-ready arms in their farm system, or an ill-advised earlier trade.

 

[Mitchrapp]

:argh:

Likewise, an RP for Porcello, or a platoon player for LF? Nope, better to package Porcello if necessary, with Boesch and/or Santiago and/or Worth, and/or Berry, and maybe receive a better return in any trade. Perhaps it would be wise to hang onto Rick, and trade him just prior to the trade deadline next July, IF the Tigers aren't going to be offered anyone who has nearly equal or hopefully better value, just to make a trade in the first place. Almost 2/3 of the season will have been completed by then, and the Tigers might even have their own issues with their roto and already would have needed him to spot start some games, if not pitch a portion of them in long relief earlier.

Since MLB has added another WC slot there will likely be more teams who are contending much later in the season, in at least two divisions in both the NL and AL, and some that may become more desperate to add a SP to their roto, due to injury, unexpectedly poor performance, lack of ML-ready arms in their farm system, or an ill-advised earlier trade.

If you add those 4 with Porcello we might get less.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Porcello is a very young #4 starter, he could still yet develop into a #3 starter who pitches like a #2 for stretches. He's already got a lot of experience and he's going to be around a long time. We've seen his ability shine from time to time, do not undervalue young starting pitching. A change of scenery could be exactly what Porcello needs. He gets with the right pitching coach in the right stadium and Porcello could be a 15+ game winner for the next several years.

I still think you have to package him with a prospect, but we should be able to get a top flight LFer or closer for a package centered on Porcello. If we must wait until the trade deadline to get max value, do so.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Porcello is a veroy young #4 starter, he could still yet develop into a #3 starter who pitches like a #2 for stretches. He's already got a lot of experience and he's going to be around a long time. We've seen his ability shine from time to time, do not undervalue young starting pitching. A change of scenery could be exactly what Porcello needs. He gets with the right pitching coach in the right stadium and Porcello could be a 15+ game winner for the next several years.

I still think you have to package him with a prospect, but we should be able to get a top flight LFer or closer for a package centered on Porcello. If we must wait until the trade deadline to get max value, do so.

Prospects yes. But not guys Worth, Santiago, BB or Berry. They're not prospects.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And waiting until the the trade deadline probably wouldn't work if he's pitching in the BP for 2013.

 

[mjsb2]

And waiting until the the trade deadline probably wouldn't work if he's pitching in the BP for 2013.

Yeah, will be interesting to see how they manage that.

If Smyly doesn't get the 5th spot, I'd imagine he goes to Toledo to start rather than pitch out of the bullpen, but Porcello would probably have to go to the pen if Smyly gets the 5th spot.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

There's just no point trading Porcello for a bullpen pitcher. According to the numbers, he'd be as good or better than most any reliever available himself. Either we aim high and empty the farm to get a significant upgrade at 2B or SS, or we trade him for prospects to restock the farm.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I agree.

 

[mjsb2]

I was in favor of trading Porcello for a corner OFer when we had Dirks and Jackson and a black hole in the OF, but after signing Hunter, I'd rather just keep him.

Smyly has been injured just about every year since he was in college, and hasn't even reached 150 IP in a season before.

And of course, it's very rare for all 5 starters to stay healthy all year.

We're probably going to need to rely on somebody outside of the top 5 to start 15 games or so, I'd rather it be Porcello/Smyly than Crosby/Wilks/Below.

Of course, if they sign some old veteran for depth, Porcello can go.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I might be with you on that though Insider had a rumor about the Tigers possible trading for Lohse. Not sure I'd be okay with that but its just speculation:

Lohse's options

Although both clubs already have full rotations, the Dodgers and Tigers could be in play for Lohse, writes the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo. In those cases, a starter would likely have to be traded -- Chris Capuano or Aaron Harang for the Dodgers, or Rick Porcello for the Tigers -- before either team goes hard after Lohse.

Kyle Lohse is easily the best pitcher still on the free agent market, but it's been a slow-go for the veteran this winter.

Lohse has watched idly as Anibal Sanchez and Edwin Jackson -- two fellow righties thought to be in the same class -- have inked multi-year deals, but it now appears that the picture is becoming clearer for the former Cardinal.

MASN's Roch Kubatko, though, thinks it's unlikely the O's will land Lohse, citing the club's inclination to avoid signing pitchers to big contracts, as well as the desire to hang onto its first-round pick in the 2013 draft.

There has been speculation, like this from ESPN Insider Jim Bowden, that the teams most interested in Lohse are the Orioles, Brewers and perhaps Texas. Bowden explains why the best fit for Lohse would be in Baltimore: