Private Prison Business is booming

[biggunsbob]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.3dabcb87a924



http://www.motherjones.com/politics...its-annual-conference-at-a-trump-golf-resort/

 

[tomdalton22]

breaking news...a big corporation held an event at an upscale golf resort

 

[Gulo Blue]

We should try to keep profits out of the business of incarceration with the same fervor we try to inject free markets into most other things. Too much drive to increase the number of "customers" to remain ethical.

 

[turok]

The well-heeled convict may soon alternatively have the choice to pay for cushier and comfortable prison accomodations while serving out his or her sentence, which would provide another enhanced revenue stream for private prison entities.

City/county judgeships are an elected position, which compels PAs, DAs, and incumbents to seek and mete out stiffer and longer sentences as evidence of being 'tough on crime" while campaigning, as do county sheriffs in charge of jails. So while private prisons have a monetary incentive to keep cells full, so does judicial office-holders.


So "justice" is not blind here in Murka, but is moreso a social/fiscal rater, with the poorer of those charged with a crime, being much more likely to be convicted and sentenced. Recidivism is also a factor, b/c of the markedly increased inability of ex-convicts being able to find FT, long-term employment, much less any which are life-supporting and gainful. Even if an inmate spends his or her time taking classes while incarcerated, having a criminal record along with a gap in employment history, makes it far more likely that their job applications/resumes will be round-filed or deleted.

Unlike county circuit court, district court fines and fees must be paid in full on the same day as sentencing, else get put in the slammer for certain.Obviously those who are poor/unemployed are going to jail, where here in MI, the state law is "pay to stay" and just a 90 day incarceration adds up to almost $6000.00.

 

[tomdalton22]

The well-heeled convict may soon alternatively have the choice to pay for cushier and comfortable prison accomodations while serving out his or her sentence, which would provide another enhanced revenue stream for private prison entities.

City/county judgeships are an elected position, which compels PAs, DAs, and incumbents to seek and mete out stiffer and longer sentences as evidence of being 'tough on crime" while campaigning, as do county sheriffs in charge of jails. So while private prisons have a monetary incentive to keep cells full, so does judicial office-holders.


So "justice" is not blind here in Murka, but is moreso a social/fiscal rater, with the poorer of those charged with a crime, being much more likely to be convicted and sentenced. Recidivism is also a factor, b/c of the markedly increased inability of ex-convicts being able to find FT, long-term employment, much less any which are life-supporting and gainful. Even if an inmate spends his or her time taking classes while incarcerated, having a criminal record along with a gap in employment history, makes it far more likely that their job applications/resumes will be round-filed or deleted.

Unlike county circuit court, district court fines and fees must be paid in full on the same day as sentencing, else get put in the slammer for certain.Obviously those who are poor/unemployed are going to jail, where here in MI, the state law is "pay to stay" and just a 90 day incarceration adds up to almost $6000.00.

lesson here...don't commit crimes

 

[tinselwolverine]

lesson here...don't commit crimes

I was thinking along the same lines.

Additionally I see lots of people who appear to be poor out in public every day.

So apparently not everyone who is poor goes to prison.

Maybe just the ones who are criminals.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Our incarceration rates are high compared to other places of similar wealth. I don't believe Americans are inherently more deserving of it.

 

[Michchamp]

lesson here...don't commit crimes

the lesson is actually "don't be poor."

everyone commits crimes. only the poor go to jail or prison for them.

 

[Michchamp]

Our incarceration rates are high compared to other places of similar wealth. I don't believe Americans are inherently more deserving of it.

realistically, we should only be jailing violent criminals, and really only violent criminals who are not also mentally ill.

and there would not be as many people involved in criminal behavior if not for economy with benefits not spread as equally, and areas without (legal) employment opportunities of any kind.

but instead of going that route, America went with a more brutal alternative.

land of the free, right?

 

[Gulo Blue]

People that want to have more Americans jailed than Europeans are commies, right?

 

[Michchamp]

People that want to have more Americans jailed than Europeans are commies, right?

no, those are the real freedom-loving Americans.

 

[tomdalton22]

the lesson is actually "don't be poor."

everyone commits crimes. only the poor go to jail or prison for them.

so only poor people go to jail / prison?

 

[tomdalton22]

realistically, we should only be jailing violent criminals, and really only violent criminals who are not also mentally ill.

and there would not be as many people involved in criminal behavior if not for economy with benefits not spread as equally, and areas without (legal) employment opportunities of any kind.

benefits spread equally? Really?

Areas without legal employment of any kind? If a person or family lives in such a place (I don't think a place like this exists) then fucking move!

 

[tinselwolverine]

the lesson is actually "don't be poor."

everyone commits crimes. only the poor go to jail or prison for them.

I don't know that everyone commits crimes. I don't commit crimes.

Jarred Kuchner's -I'm not sure I spelt it right - father wasn't poor, and he went to prison. O.J. Simpson wasn't poor, and he went to prison. "Casino" Jack Abrahamoff was wealthy and powerful and influential, and he went to prison. Bernie Madoff is in prison. Jimmy Hoffa wasn't poor - he was somewhat substantial and very powerful - went to prison. Al Capone and John Gotti and Sammy Gravano weren't poor and all went to prison. Sal Lucciano either went to prison or was deported.

H.R. Halderman and John Erlichman and John Dean and Gordon Liddy all went to prison.

Anthony "wiener" Wiener is going to prison.

Those are a few just off the top of my head.

Lots of rich and not poor people have gone to prison.



Lots of people who aren't poor have gone to prison.

 

[tinselwolverine]

realistically, we should only be jailing violent criminals, and really only violent criminals who are not also mentally ill.

and there would not be as many people involved in criminal behavior if not for economy with benefits not spread as equally, and areas without (legal) employment opportunities of any kind.

but instead of going that route, America went with a more brutal alternative.

land of the free, right?

We already have a pretty expanded social safety net for the poor and the elderly and underprivileged.

There has never been a society in which benefits have been spread equally. In the USSR and Cuba and China and every other socialist/communist benefits were never spread equally - arguably those societies have and have had more brutal oligarchical chasms than in the Western capitalist democracies.

They've also had lots of people imprisoned or executed for non-violent crimes plenty of times throughout their histories, including a substantial amount for the non-violent act of criticism of the rulers.

land of the free, right?

 

[turok]

I don't know that everyone commits crimes. I don't commit crimes.

Jarred Kuchner's -I'm not sure I spelt it right - father wasn't poor, and he went to prison. O.J. Simpson wasn't poor, and he went to prison. "Casino" Jack Abrahamoff was wealthy and powerful and influential, and he went to prison. Bernie Madoff is in prison. Jimmy Hoffa wasn't poor - he was somewhat substantial and very powerful - went to prison. Al Capone and John Gotti and Sammy Gravano weren't poor and all went to prison. Sal Lucciano either went to prison or was deported.

H.R. Halderman and John Erlichman and John Dean and Gordon Liddy all went to prison.

Anthony "wiener" Wiener is going to prison.

Those are a few just off the top of my head.

Lots of rich and not poor people have gone to prison.



Lots of people who aren't poor have gone to prison.

Lots haven't, or didn't until the amount and degree of "white-collar" crimes that they comitted finally caught up with them. OJ got away with murder, in many eyes. How many otherwise "law-abiding" citizens have driven while legally drunk more than once in awhile, or under the influence of Rx drugs, that would result in OUIL or OUID, if tested?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Lots haven't, or didn't until the amount and degree of "white-collar" crimes that they comitted finally caught up with them. OJ got away with murder, in many eyes. How many otherwise "law-abiding" citizens have driven while legally drunk more than once in awhile, or under the influence of Rx drugs, that would result in OUIL or OUID, if tested?

I don't know.

How many angels can dance on the point of a sewing needle?

If the people aren't tested, how are we gonna know how many there are?

Also, I don't know that not being tested for DUI has anything to do with socio-economic status.

If you're rich and you don't get pulled over when you're drunk or under the influence, you're not gonna go to jail.

If you're poor, and you don't get pulled over when you're drunk or under the influence, you're also not gonna go to jail.

There's nothing in your post that refutes the irrefutable facts I posted that you're responding to, because they're irrefutable.

That's because they're facts.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't know that everyone commits crimes. I don't commit crimes.

Jarred Kuchner's -I'm not sure I spelt it right - father wasn't poor, and he went to prison. O.J. Simpson wasn't poor, and he went to prison. "Casino" Jack Abrahamoff was wealthy and powerful and influential, and he went to prison. Bernie Madoff is in prison. Jimmy Hoffa wasn't poor - he was somewhat substantial and very powerful - went to prison. Al Capone and John Gotti and Sammy Gravano weren't poor and all went to prison. Sal Lucciano either went to prison or was deported.

H.R. Halderman and John Erlichman and John Dean and Gordon Liddy all went to prison.

Anthony "wiener" Wiener is going to prison.

Those are a few just off the top of my head.

Lots of rich and not poor people have gone to prison.



Lots of people who aren't poor have gone to prison.

whole lotta cherry pickin going on in this post, I tell you what!

 

[turok]

benefits spread equally? Really?

Areas without legal employment of any kind? If a person or family lives in such a place (I don't think a place like this exists) then fucking move!

Rural and exurban areas of the US are desperate for JOBS, and bought into the Trump line of BS, hook, line, and sinker...just like they have for state and federal GOP's tax-cut crap since trickle-down Reagan and off-shoring began in earnest.

 

[tinselwolverine]

whole lotta cherry pickin going on in this post, I tell you what!

I would say whole lotta simply untrue, and hyperbolic sweeping generalizations going in this from post #8, everyone commits crimes. only the poor go to jail or prison for them, I tell you what!