Rams All In - now the OFFICIAL Super Bowl 56 Thread

[tomdalton22]

41 tds lol. Yeah in spite of him. Media are full of dumbasses

actually, he had 45 TDs....4 to the other team.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Stafford won the toughest division in football

You all doubted him

Did the division suddenly become tougher than I had been each of the last two seasons?

I didn?t doubt Stafford at all. I figured the Rams would make it to the playoffs this season, just like they made it to the playoffs each of the last two seasons without Stafford.

Here?s what we learned so far. Stafford appears to be about as good of a quarterback Goff is a good team, and a little better quarterback on a bad team than Goff is.

Rams didn?t win the Super Bowl either of the last two seasons, and they?re not gonna win it this year either.

Stafford probably has more success than any quarterback in the NFL when it comes to losing at Lambeau field, and I have little doubt that trend will fail to continue should the Rams make it that far.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Did the division suddenly become tougher than I had been each of the last two seasons?

I didn?t doubt Stafford at all. I figured the Rams would make it to the playoffs this season, just like they made it to the playoffs each of the last two seasons without Stafford.

Here?s what we learned so far. Stafford appears to be about as good of a quarterback Goff is a good team, and a little better quarterback on a bad team than Goff is.

Rams didn?t win the Super Bowl either of the last two seasons, and they?re not gonna win it this year either.

Stafford probably has more success than any quarterback in the NFL when it comes to losing at Lambeau field, and I have little doubt that trend will fail to continue should the Rams make it that far.

I think I understand what you?re saying it this post?..but words cannot describe how poorly written it is.

 

[mhughes0021]

Did the division suddenly become tougher than I had been each of the last two seasons?

I didn?t doubt Stafford at all. I figured the Rams would make it to the playoffs this season, just like they made it to the playoffs each of the last two seasons without Stafford.

Here?s what we learned so far. Stafford appears to be about as good of a quarterback Goff is a good team, and a little better quarterback on a bad team than Goff is.

Rams didn?t win the Super Bowl either of the last two seasons, and they?re not gonna win it this year either.

Stafford probably has more success than any quarterback in the NFL when it comes to losing at Lambeau field, and I have little doubt that trend will fail to continue should the Rams make it that far.

You can also look at it from the Lions perspective...

Stafford 5 wins.

Goff 3.5 wins vs a tougher schedule and less talent.

Neither guy is a difference maker imo. Just lump them both in with the 8 - 20 ranked QBs. Not guys you have to get rid of until you find a better replacement.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

You can also look at it from the Lions perspective...

Stafford 5 wins.

Goff 3.5 wins vs a tougher schedule and less talent.

Neither guy is a difference maker imo. Just lump them both in with the 8 - 20 ranked QBs. Not guys you have to get rid of until you find a better replacement.

There is no way you watched Lions games and Rams games this year and came away saying ?lump Goff and Stafford together?. That?s insanity.

Stafford was #4 in rating and #6 in QBR. Goff was 17th in rating and 24th in QBR. Stafford threw 2 fewer TD than Brady (league leader) in 118 fewer attempts. The interceptions are, however, are VERY concerning?.he threw 4 in the first 8 weeks?.and a whopping 13 in the last 9. Thats bad.

He was very good. Not great.

Playoffs will tell if he was cursed by a bad team in Detroit?.or if HE?S the curse.

 

[mhughes0021]

There is no way you watched Lions games and Rams games this year and came away saying ?lump Goff and Stafford together?. That?s insanity.

Stafford was #4 in rating and #6 in QBR. Goff was 17th in rating and 24th in QBR. Stafford threw 2 fewer TD than Brady (league leader) in 118 fewer attempts. The interceptions are, however, are VERY concerning?.he threw 4 in the first 8 weeks?.and a whopping 13 in the last 9. Thats bad.

He was very good. Not great.

Playoffs will tell if he was cursed by a bad team in Detroit?.or if HE?S the curse.

And in the end it made no difference.....he led a more talented lions team to 5 wins. Whoopie.

In Goffs defense he had .5 and done Anthony Lynn as his OC. has an OC ever been benched before? Goff has been great the 2nd half of the year.

Rams all in is exactly that....they have a TON of high priced veterans. Its not sustainable and the first thing that will go when its time to rebuild with youth is the overpriced contracts youre not getting an ROI on.

i mean is ranking him in the top 8 THAT far off from saying hes top 6 in rating but hurts his team consistently with bad choices?

 

[mhughes0021]

PS...the rams could win it all this year. Orrrrr it wouldnt surprise me at all if they lose in rd 1. Its wide open....especially in the NFC where TB, Dallas, Arizona, SF, Philly all have been up and down and not playing consistent football.

They lose in rd 1 im sure the entire fan base would take their (2) 1st rounders back in a heartbeat if they could ditch stafford.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

PS...the rams could win it all this year. Orrrrr it wouldnt surprise me at all if they lose in rd 1. Its wide open....especially in the NFC where TB, Dallas, Arizona, SF, Philly all have been up and down and not playing consistent football.

They lose in rd 1 im sure the entire fan base would take their (2) 1st rounders back in a heartbeat if they could ditch stafford.

I agree with that.

I would feel the same way if I were them.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I think I understand what you?re saying it this post?..but words cannot describe how poorly written it is.

Yeah I was doing voice recognition texting while I was driving. I just reread it and there were a lot of voice recognition errors.

I?ll admit I worded a few things awkwardly also. That?s probably because I was focusing on avoiding traffic hazards.

 

[zyxt9]

There is no way you watched Lions games and Rams games this year and came away saying ?lump Goff and Stafford together?. That?s insanity.

Stafford was #4 in rating and #6 in QBR. Goff was 17th in rating and 24th in QBR. Stafford threw 2 fewer TD than Brady (league leader) in 118 fewer attempts. The interceptions are, however, are VERY concerning?.he threw 4 in the first 8 weeks?.and a whopping 13 in the last 9. Thats bad.

He was very good. Not great.

Playoffs will tell if he was cursed by a bad team in Detroit?.or if HE?S the curse.

Sure seems they are on opposite trajectories. As Stafford declined, Goff improved. I'm unsure what their respective stats were over the last 8 games, but I am confident Goff closed the massive gap that existed during the first 8.

Goff is growing confident, Stafford I think became over-confident.

Next year I think they are even closer in stats as the Rams decline and Lions improve, and if that holds true then Goff will outplay Stafford in 2023 and beyond.

If Stafford does not win a SB this year, he never will. The Rams are peaking this season, and lack the draft capital and Salary Cap space to make enough improvements moving forward.

Stafford did come to the Lions to break the curse of Bobby, no one realized till last year that it required him being traded also to make that happen.

 

[zyxt9]

And while still part of the Ford family, the reality is the current owner is Hamp, not Ford. That also is likely part of breaking the Curse of Bobby.

 

[thehippo73]

Goff

Games 1-8 Started 8

Record 0-8 Starting 0-8
TDs 8
INTs 6

Games 9-17 Started 6

Record 3-5-1 Starting 3-2-1
TDs 11
INTs 2

Goff was a different QB the 2nd half of the season. He did exactly what Stafford did the previous 10 seasons.

 

[LKP]

Goff was a different QB the 2nd half of the season. He did exactly what Stafford did the previous 10 seasons.[/QUOTE

Goff in second half 2022 got himself another shot to start. Campbell play calling with Ben Johnson influence on the passing game. Anthony Lynn was a turd OC. We'll see what we do at OC now

Try to bring back Reynolds and Raymond cheap and add a stud number 1 WR. I want Mike Williams. Cephus and Hock and Ragnow back healthy too. Hopefully Decker and Sewell all year in 2022 too.

Then focus on defense in draft. OLB, ILB, Safety with first 3 picks. Go WR and CB in Round 3.

Would understand QB at Rams pick or Round 2 as well if one is staring them in the face. Even learning a year under Goff, gives us a really good backup for once in case Goff goes down.

 

[Mitchrapp]

11. Matthew Stafford: 80.7

Stafford had a very good first season with the Rams, but it wasn?t enough to earn him a spot among the top 10 quarterbacks in PFF?s grading system. It was, however, the fifth-best grade of his career since coming into the NFL in 2009.

For anyone who is a PFF on the brain. Not sure that's a rousing "you're the best QB ever on your buffed team."

 

[detroit1811]

11. Matthew Stafford: 80.7

Stafford had a very good first season with the Rams, but it wasn?t enough to earn him a spot among the top 10 quarterbacks in PFF?s grading system. It was, however, the fifth-best grade of his career since coming into the NFL in 2009.

For anyone who is a PFF on the brain. Not sure that's a rousing "you're the best QB ever on your buffed team."

I am a big Stafford believer and truly thought he got a lot more heat then he deserved here. I will say though that year 1 with the Rams cannot be classified as anything, but a dissapointment in the regular season. He started on fire, but regressed throughout the season. In the end he wasn't any better then the guy he was with us. Even with a hot shot offensive mind in McVay, a very good O-Line, solid rushing attack, and a bunch of weapons he was still just a very good QB and not elite.

They won one more game with Stafford instead of Goff and that is with a 17 game season. All things considered I don't think he was the massive upgrade over Goff that everyone thought he would be, at least so far.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I am a big Stafford believer and truly thought he got a lot more heat then he deserved here. I will say though that year 1 with the Rams cannot be classified as anything, but a dissapointment in the regular season. He started on fire, but regressed throughout the season. In the end he wasn't any better then the guy he was with us. Even with a hot shot offensive mind in McVay, a very good O-Line, solid rushing attack, and a bunch of weapons he was still just a very good QB and not elite.

They won one more game with Stafford instead of Goff and that is with a 17 game season. All things considered I don't think he was the massive upgrade over Goff that everyone thought he would be, at least so far.

Bolded part was his mo in Detroit.

 

[zyxt9]

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They won one more game with Stafford instead of Goff and that is with a 17 game season. All things considered I don't think he was the massive upgrade over Goff that everyone thought he would be, at least so far.

Or, from the other perspective, Stafford lost just as many games as Goff, though in fairness it took him 17 games instead of 16.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I am a big Stafford believer and truly thought he got a lot more heat then he deserved here. I will say though that year 1 with the Rams cannot be classified as anything, but a dissapointment in the regular season. He started on fire, but regressed throughout the season. In the end he wasn't any better then the guy he was with us. Even with a hot shot offensive mind in McVay, a very good O-Line, solid rushing attack, and a bunch of weapons he was still just a very good QB and not elite.

They won one more game with Stafford instead of Goff and that is with a 17 game season. All things considered I don't think he was the massive upgrade over Goff that everyone thought he would be, at least so far.

I don't think W's and L's are a good way to judge quarterbacks. It's WAY too general and takes nothing else into account. I think we saw with Goff this year that any offense is somewhat limited with him. He's more careful with the ball, but certainly won't make the amount of big plays, either. Protect him well and hes fairly accurate but is still a 1-2 read and dump it down guy.

Stafford is simply a much better quarterback than Jared Goff.

That being said, i agree the Rams probably wanted/expected a bit more from Stafford than they got. 13 INTS in the last 9 games is problematic. Just too many bad decisions.

 

[detroit1811]

I don't think W's and L's are a good way to judge quarterbacks. It's WAY too general and takes nothing else into account. I think we saw with Goff this year that any offense is somewhat limited with him. He's more careful with the ball, but certainly won't make the amount of big plays, either. Protect him well and hes fairly accurate but is still a 1-2 read and dump it down guy.

Stafford is simply a much better quarterback than Jared Goff.

That being said, i agree the Rams probably wanted/expected a bit more from Stafford than they got. 13 INTS in the last 9 games is problematic. Just too many bad decisions.

With the way Goff finished this season and the way Stafford has played for the majority of the season, I would object to much better.

Stafford has played like a top 8-12 QB for the majority of his career with a couple seasons being a little better, and a few being a little worse.

Goff was in that same conversation back in 2018 and 2019 and some believed he was even better than Stafford. I personally never did.

Goff played like a guy who could be in that top 8-15 range of QB's the last month of the season. Stafford is clearly better, but by how much if Goff can continue his recent level of play?

There are about 10-12 QB's I would say are definitively better then Goff. Once you get in the Cousins, Carr, and Tannehill territory, though, there is an argument that can be made (once again that is assuming the late season Goff is the guy we are getting).

 

[LKP]

Lions pick 23 if Rams lose tonight