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Republican Elector from Texas voting for John Kasich

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Yeah, like Alex Jones' InfoWars

http://disinfo.com/2013/04/45-failed-alex-jones-predictions/

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-alex-jones.t880/

But hey, at least he's not part of the lying, conniving, unethical mainstream media right?
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Absolutely! There's a push to get him labeled as fake news and shut down now. Trump will likely squash that movement, but dang man so much for the free speech supproting far left. Yeah as long as you agree with em,geesh self..righteous viscous people some of them.

Hey Speaking of failed predictions

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/fail-prweek-s-survey-22-pr-pros-found-zero-predictions-trump
 
I figure some jobs saved would be pretty good. Regardless who it was that spearheaded it. Even if it cost a few.. Indiana seem happy about it.
 
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Except that's not true Mud.

He didn't prevent those jobs from going to Mexico, half of them still are (the coils), the other half (furnace) are staying because of incentives, not because Trump stopped them from going to Mexico. And other plants are still shipping jobs there.

Seriously, read up on the deal, ignore the tweets.

And as far as giving him time, sure I'll give him all the time he deserves, I'm not the one falsely claiming he's done more in 4 weeks than the current administration has in 4 years.
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a job prevented from leaving the country is a job prevented from leaving the country nobody is claiming he'll prevent them all 100%
 
so he saved some jobs, by having his VP ram through a big tax gift to Carrier, which was only possible because his VP is governor of that state for another month.

he will not be able to "save jobs" this way in any other state, or after he enters office.
 
michchamp said:
so he saved some jobs, by having his VP ram through a big tax gift to Carrier, which was only possible because his VP is governor of that state for another month.

he will not be able to "save jobs" this way in any other state, or after he enters office.
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You know if Obama did this you'd be all like "fk yeah, he da man."
 
Mitchrapp said:
You know if Obama did this you'd be all like "fk yeah, he da man."
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I'd talk like that because he's black? or would I become a black person if Obama saved some jobs by forcing a state to give the company a tax break? I am confused.

Either way, I doubt it. I've been pretty open and consistent in my criticism of him. Just because I don't agree he's a "communist islamofascist" doesn't mean I think everything he does is great.

Saving jobs is all well and good, but it's okay if some jobs move. In other cases, not. It's not just about jobs either; cities and states build infrastructure to support manufacturing concerns. companies need to bear some of that burden, and should be contractually obligated to remain and preserve jobs (and states should actually sue to enforce these contracts, which they almost never do). if you don't do this, you get Rust Belt devastation like we have now.

I think Trump's getting way too much credit for this. it's a token concession, and it's only made possible by sheer luck... a (profitable) company moving jobs to Mexico, which just happened to be located in his VP's state.
 
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michchamp said:
I'd talk like that because he's black? or would I become a black person if Obama saved some jobs by forcing a state to give the company a tax break? I am confused.

Either way, I doubt it. I've been pretty open and consistent in my criticism of him. Just because I don't agree he's a "communist islamofascist" doesn't mean I think everything he does is great.

Saving jobs is all well and good, but it's okay if some jobs move. In other cases, not. It's not just about jobs either; cities and states build infrastructure to support manufacturing concerns. companies need to bear some of that burden, and should be contractually obligated to remain and preserve jobs (and states should actually sue to enforce these contracts, which they almost never do). if you don't do this, you get Rust Belt devastation like we have now.

I think Trump's getting way too much credit for this. it's a token concession, and it's only made possible by sheer luck... a (profitable) company moving jobs to Mexico, which just happened to be located in his VP's state.
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You'd defend him as long as it's against Trump, or Bush. Weather he gets too much credit or not, the deal doesn't suck. Luck doesn't matter in this case, it was done and people in Indiana are happy.. As the saying goes, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.
 
The tax breaks are a rounding error. they were already on the table and Carrier doesn't care about them - why would they incur $65mm in additional costs to stay in Indiana and save $7mm? That makes absolutely no sense - if you think they stayed to save $7mm in taxes, you're an idiot. Carrier kept the plant open in Indiana and will eat the higher operating costs (but raise their prices to recover at least some of it) because Trump threatened to take Carrier's parent company, United Technologies' fat government defense contracts away from them.

The Carrier deal is a bad deal - it's crony captialism from the right. If you want to give Trump credit for doing something good for the country, then look at the Softbank deal. Based on currently available information, Softbank is going to invest $50B to create 50k jobs in the US. There's no mention of quid pro quo although one of Softbank's companies (Sprint) did try to buy TMobile which the Obama administration shot down. Trump may be friendlier to the deal, but that's probably better than strong arming companies to keep production here at higher costs in exchange for defense spending deals. But most people are lazy and they don't look beyond the headlines. They're in favor of bad policies with identifiable beneficiaries (like 1,000 laborers in Indiana) and diffuse victims (the rest of the country that pays more for air conditioners and corrupt dealing b/w gov't and corporate America) - it's why 60% of people polled are in favor of the Carrier deal.
 
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you're crediting obama with saving the auto industry? lol. Funny how folks like to give Obama credit for that but blame Bush for the trillion dollar spending package that the auto bailout was part of. And of course, they don't mind that Obama basically tore up the Constitution to get the bail out done.
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I actually agree with Mack here. I don't know what kind of revisionist history we're living in here but Bush/Obama definitely shoulder the glory and disdain for that deal together.
 
Being as they're (the ones who visited him) all big supporters of the democrat party, probably not as well. But at least people are talking..

I never understood how a company can go to China or Mexico for cheap labor, basically saving a bunch, and then not pushing those savings on to us. What's a new iPhone cost, over $700? Highway robbery. Cost to make it is considerably less..
 
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Mitchrapp said:
Being as they're (the ones who visited him) all big supporters of the democrat party, probably not as well. But at least people are talking..

I never understood how a company can go to China or Mexico for cheap labor, basically saving a bunch, and then not pushing those savings on to us. What's a new iPhone cost, over $700? Highway robbery. Cost to make it is considerably less..
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Supply and demand. If we are willing to pay $700 for a new iPhone that is what they will charge us...regardless of what it costs them to make it.

Look at flat screen TVs. You can get a 1080p 50" tv for $500 today. About 10 years ago that would have cost you about $1200
 
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Supply and demand. If we are willing to pay $700 for a new iPhone that is what they will charge us...regardless of what it costs them to make it.

Look at flat screen TVs. You can get a 1080p 50" tv for $500 today. About 10 years ago that would have cost you about $1200
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They might sell a lot of phones but some people it's way out of their range. TV's are different. Certain things go up, new phones, new GPU, etc. Somethings go down, TV's - and I'm certain something else.

I just want Jobs in America. And I hope the law can be changed so they do get taxed 35%. If they raise prices, buy a TV made in America or a phone made in America etc. iPhone isn't the ultimate thing anymore.. There are so many companies who sell phones and TV's etc.
 
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who cares if some people can't afford it. If it's "out of their range" then don't buy one.
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That not really the point.. Especially when all smart phones are a fortune. It's the fact they pay China workers $2 an hour and sell shit at a huge increase to Americans.. And as the American workforce gets lower and lower..
 
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Mitchrapp said:
That not really the point.. Especially when all smart phones are a fortune. It's the fact they pay China workers $2 an hour and sell shit at a huge increase to Americans.. And as the American workforce gets lower and lower..
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it kind of is the point. You can get a good smart phone for $200 or less. Most of the carriers will give you a free smart phone every time you sign a contract.
 
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