Republican Elector from Texas voting for John Kasich

[TheVictors]

Basically exactly what I said a couple weeks ago (from Fortune) -

"Slapping heavy tariffs on imports won’t bring the old heavy manufacturing jobs back to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, or Wisconsin, as Trump promised."

And those robots doing your job are only going to get smarter and more efficient

 

[Michchamp]

Basically exactly what I said a couple weeks ago (from Fortune) -

"Slapping heavy tariffs on imports won?t bring the old heavy manufacturing jobs back to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, or Wisconsin, as Trump promised."

...

But blaming foreigners - aka the working schlubs who are different looking than me and speak weird foreign speech not the politicians in the US and other countries negotiating these deals, or the American business owners shipping their jobs overseas - is more satisfying. I just... really want to beat the shit out of someone. Someone who can't really fight back.

- signed, Trump voter

 

[Spartanmack]

But blaming foreigners - aka the working schlubs who are different looking than me and speak weird foreign speech not the politicians in the US and other countries negotiating these deals, or the American business owners shipping their jobs overseas - is more satisfying. I just... really want to beat the shit out of someone. Someone who can't really fight back.

- signed, Trump voter

how do you think Bernie was going to try do get it done? scrapping the trade deals and putting tariffs on imports, plus free college for everyone and single payer healthcare. you say all the time that Republicans should love the Clintons - so far, you should love Trump for "saving jobs" by heavily taxing companies that "threaten" to move overseas. it's your moronic economic plan in motion.

 

[Spartanmack]

Basically exactly what I said a couple weeks ago (from Fortune) -

"Slapping heavy tariffs on imports won?t bring the old heavy manufacturing jobs back to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, or Wisconsin, as Trump promised."

And those robots doing your job are only going to get smarter and more efficient

the only way to get any kind of meaningful manufacturing sector back here is to make America a competitive place to do business - start by cutting the corporate tax to the lowest in the world (personally, I think it should be zero but at a minimum, it has to be at a level where companies will have an edge investing in the US).

 

[biggunsbob]

the only way to get any kind of meaningful manufacturing sector back here is to make America a competitive place to do business - start by cutting the corporate tax to the lowest in the world (personally, I think it should be zero but at a minimum, it has to be at a level where companies will have an edge investing in the US).

Alot of corporations do not pay federal taxes anyway so we might as week extend it to all of them. How can you say these compaines do not have a edge already when most already pay Zero all ready? Those manufacturing jobs are becoming more and more automated and that set of workers need training and or more schooling. Can we open up some money for that ?



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/20-percent-of-profitable-u-s-companies-pay-no-federal-income-tax/



.http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/13/pf/taxes/gao-corporate-taxes/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-profitable-companies-paid-no-taxes/81399094/

 

[tomdalton22]

Alot of corporations do not pay federal taxes anyway so we might as week extend it to all of them. How can you say these compaines do not have a edge already when most already pay Zero all ready? Those manufacturing jobs are becoming more and more automated and that set of workers need training and or more schooling. Can we open up some money for that ?



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/20-percent-of-profitable-u-s-companies-pay-no-federal-income-tax/



.http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/13/pf/taxes/gao-corporate-taxes/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-profitable-companies-paid-no-taxes/81399094/

from the article

"The GAO said there were several reasons why profitable businesses may not have owed taxes. Companies that lose money one year are allowed to "carry forward" the losses for accounting in future years, reducing their tax liability. A range of tax breaks, such as for R&D and depreciation of equipment, can also help lower the bill."

Sounds like they are doing exactly what you or I do when we file our taxes. Use the tax laws in place to limit our tax liability.

 

[Spartanmack]

Alot of corporations do not pay federal taxes anyway so we might as week extend it to all of them. How can you say these compaines do not have a edge already when most already pay Zero all ready? Those manufacturing jobs are becoming more and more automated and that set of workers need training and or more schooling. Can we open up some money for that ?



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/20-percent-of-profitable-u-s-companies-pay-no-federal-income-tax/



.http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/13/pf/taxes/gao-corporate-taxes/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-profitable-companies-paid-no-taxes/81399094/

some don't because of complicated tax laws and as Tom said, losses carried forward. But that's sort of the point - taxes don't affect all players equally and the structure of the code makes it extremely difficult to plan properly. That's why most one-time tax breaks get saved rather than reinvested. If all companies paid no tax in the US (vs. the current 35% rate) then it doesn't make sense for a pharma or a tech company to relocate to Ireland where the corporate tax rate is less than half ours. If they didn't have to pay corporate taxes in the US and knew they wouldn't when they turned a profit either, they could easily afford to pay the higher cost of skilled labor in the US vs. Ireland. The same would be true for some of the things we get from Asia, clearly not all but some, like steel and other large, heavy, costly to ship items.

 

[tigermud]

what's your reaction to him already packing his cabinet with the same corporate lobbyists & bankers that Hillary would have?

how deep in the sand have you buried your head?

or are you just glad there's now a guy in the White House who will pay lip service to "pissed off white men" while his administration continues to fuck them over?

He's already saved jobs and he hasn't even taken office yet. LOL. overall i'm happy with his selections so far, not all of them but overall.. Really don't like the sessions pick for AG on account of his archaic views on cannabis and can only hope he doesn't end up focusing on that and killing all the progress there, I think that would be a huge mistake. ok with most others so far.

 

[tigermud]

Goodluck. Hey maybe Trump will side with the little guys and screw Ryan and enact National Health care!!!! If the dude did that in place of Obamacare he would win over, and over, and over again.

Donald Trump peddles populism for the rich.

New Republic , October 19th , 2016.
https://newrepublic.com/article/123130/donald-trump-peddles-populism-rich


3 big predictions About the Global populist surge .

Fortune
December 5th , 2016.

http://fortune.com/2016/12/05/global-populism-trump-predictions/

Merkle will be the next one to lose, it's just getting started bob!

 

[tigermud]

Basically exactly what I said a couple weeks ago (from Fortune) -

"Slapping heavy tariffs on imports won’t bring the old heavy manufacturing jobs back to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, or Wisconsin, as Trump promised."

And those robots doing your job are only going to get smarter and more efficient

Wrong it's called negotiation Bill, something we haven't done a very good job doing for years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-the-united-states/?utm_term=.ca0641a66f43

you shall see

 

[tinselwolverine]

He's already saved jobs and he hasn't even taken office yet. LOL

Ironically none less than Sarah Palin herself wrote a scathingly critical article of the Carrier deal, dubbing it as "crony capitalism."

Let's see if it makes her happier when Trump gets around to kicking Isis's ass, like she promised he would.

 

[Thumb]

He's already saved jobs and he hasn't even taken office yet. LOL. overall i'm happy with his selections so far, not all of them but overall.. Really don't like the sessions pick for AG on account of his archaic views on cannabis and can only hope he doesn't end up focusing on that and killing all the progress there, I think that would be a huge mistake. ok with most others so far.

1400 jobs were going. Trump/Pence made a deal that "saved" about half of them, but that means half of them are still lost right? On top of that, the state is giving Carrier huge incentives and tax breaks to only eliminate 800 or so jobs. Wow, I guess that's all you need to know right?

Wrong.


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-trumps-carrier-deal-isnt-the-way-to-save-u-s-jobs/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...nald-trumps-carrier-deal-actually-save-less-/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-trump-carrier-deal-20161206-story.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/unit...ll-lead-to-more-automation-fewer-jobs-2016-12

http://www.snopes.com/carrier-jobs-to-mexico-despite-trump-deal/

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom....google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-carrier-20161207-story.html

LOL indeed.

 

[tigermud]

Ironically none less than Sarah Palin herself wrote a scathingly critical article of the Carrier deal, dubbing it as "crony capitalism."

Let's see if it makes her happier when Trump gets around to kicking Isis's ass, like she promised he would.

Apparently she's pissy as trump hasn't offered her a job?

 

[tigermud]

1400 jobs were going. Trump/Pence made a deal that "saved" about half of them, but that means half of them are still lost right? On top of that, the state is giving Carrier huge incentives and tax breaks to only eliminate 800 or so jobs. Wow, I guess that's all you need to know right?

Wrong.


http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-trumps-carrier-deal-isnt-the-way-to-save-u-s-jobs/

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...nald-trumps-carrier-deal-actually-save-less-/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-trump-carrier-deal-20161206-story.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/unit...ll-lead-to-more-automation-fewer-jobs-2016-12

http://www.snopes.com/carrier-jobs-to-mexico-despite-trump-deal/

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom....google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-carrier-20161207-story.html

LOL indeed.

Oh god forbid thumb becuase saving some jobs is worse than saving no jobs, it's just a start renegotiated trade deals and playing field leveling all yet to come over the next two years

And here are some more potentially coming back

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/07/us-s...ate-investments-bring-back-jobs-ceo-says.html

As I said, he's already done more for us jobs in four weeks then Obama has in the last 4 years

You can't get these back, what's he going to do wave a magic wand? Nope he's just going to put America first again is all. What an anti globalist ass this trump guy

 

[biggunsbob]

Oh god forbid thumb becuase saving some jobs is worse than saving no jobs, it's just a start renegotiated trade deals and playing field leveling all yet to come over the next two years

And here are some more potentially coming back

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/07/us-s...ate-investments-bring-back-jobs-ceo-says.html

As I said, he's already done more for us jobs in four weeks then Obama has in the last 4 years

You can't get these back, what's he going to do wave a magic wand? Nope he's just going to put America first again is all. What an anti globalist ass this trump guy

I guess saving the auto industry doesnt count lol..

http://www.mediamatters.org/blog/20...a-saving-15-million-auto-industry-jobs/214676

 

[tigermud]

I guess saving the auto industry doesnt count lol..

http://www.mediamatters.org/blog/20...a-saving-15-million-auto-industry-jobs/214676

That was 8 years ago, I said in the last four, I am not Fox News or much of the conservative media I am tiger mud supporter of the alternative so called fake news outlets

 

[Thumb]

Oh god forbid thumb becuase saving some jobs is worse than saving no jobs, it's just a start renegotiated trade deals and playing field leveling all yet to come over the next two years

And here are some more potentially coming back

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/07/us-s...ate-investments-bring-back-jobs-ceo-says.html

As I said, he's already done more for us jobs in four weeks then Obama has in the last 4 years

You can't get these back, what's he going to do wave a magic wand? Nope he's just going to put America first again is all. What an anti globalist ass this trump guy

Well first, you realize that Pence, not Trump, is the one who actually pushed this right?

And sure he saved some jobs, but for how long, since the company is going to invest in keeping the Indiana plant open, but one of the ways is through large scale automation.

So yeah, he saved 700 people from losing their jobs to a plant that is still going to be built in Mexico regardless, meanwhile 800+ others will still be pink slipped while the company gains huge incentives.

So now tell us all again how he's done more than Obama has in 4 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

 

[Thumb]

That was 8 years ago, I said in the last four, I am not Fox News or much of the conservative media I am tiger mud supporter of the alternative so called fake news outlets

Yeah, like Alex Jones' InfoWars

http://disinfo.com/2013/04/45-failed-alex-jones-predictions/

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-alex-jones.t880/

But hey, at least he's not part of the lying, conniving, unethical mainstream media right?

 

[tigermud]

Well first, you realize that Pence, not Trump, is the one who actually pushed this right?

And sure he saved some jobs, but for how long, since the company is going to invest in keeping the Indiana plant open, but one of the ways is through large scale automation.

So yeah, he saved 700 people from losing their jobs to a plant that is still going to be built in Mexico regardless, meanwhile 800+ others will still be pink slipped while the company gains huge incentives.

So now tell us all again how he's done more than Obama has in 4 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

As in saved, prevented from moving offshore and or now potentially to come back..give him time will ya it's only been four weeks geesh.lol

 

[Thumb]

As in saved, prevented from moving offshore and or now potentially to come back..give him time will ya it's only been four weeks geesh.lol

Except that's not true Mud.

He didn't prevent those jobs from going to Mexico, half of them still are (the coils), the other half (furnace) are staying because of incentives, not because Trump stopped them from going to Mexico. And other plants are still shipping jobs there.

Seriously, read up on the deal, ignore the tweets.

And as far as giving him time, sure I'll give him all the time he deserves, I'm not the one falsely claiming he's done more in 4 weeks than the current administration has in 4 years.