Schwartz is pissed

[byco42]

The refs weren't respopnsible for this loss. The defense stunk! The D line and linebackers couldn't tackle. I don't know how many times the saints ran for 7-9 yards on first down after contact was made near the line of scrimmage. Pathetic defense!

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]We're not allowed to vent after a playoff loss? That's all we're doing. Not interesting in hearing it, stage left.

Of course you can vent...I just don't think most people are venting about the right thing. The defense is why they lost...not the refs.

 

[Mitchrapp]

They screwed us. Are we saying that's the only reason we lost? Of course not. We all know the defense blew.

 

[byco42]

Mitch[/color]]We're not allowed to vent after a playoff loss? That's all we're doing. Not interesting in hearing it, stage left.

Of course you can vent...I just don't think most people are venting about the right thing. The defense is why they lost...not the refs.

Even remedial reading comprehension skills can determine that no one in this thread has suggested in any way that the REASON the Lions lost was DIRECTLY related to the refereeing. But the refereeing in no way helped in certain instances over the past two games.

Most people here have vented about both the terrible defense and the equally terrible officiating.

 

[tomdalton22]

Of course you can vent...I just don't think most people are venting about the right thing. The defense is why they lost...not the refs.

Even remedial reading comprehension skills can determine that no one in this thread has suggested in any way that the REASON the Lions lost was DIRECTLY related to the refereeing. But the refereeing in no way helped in certain instances over the past two games.

Most people here have vented about both the terrible defense and the equally terrible officiating.

While you question my reading comprehension I quesiton your opinion that the officiating was equally terrible as the Lions defense. The defense was significantly worse than the officiating!

 

[zyxt9]

The D got wore down and part of that is due to the mental wearing down that can happen from refs impacting momentum. If the Lions scoop that fumble and return it for a TD, the D is on a totally different mindset compared to having the O fail to convert the TO into points.

It is a game of momentum. The adrenal rush can make all the difference, not to mention the change in confidence. No matter how "professional" these guys are, they are still human and emotions impact their play. The refs caused that high to be turned into a whatever. The rush was replaced by a crash, and that is never easily overcome. Even if that happened to only 1 guy, that is 1 guy who is not performing at their highest level and therefore vulnerable. So yes, the refs have ability to greatly impact a game.

 

[tomdalton22]

The D got wore down and part of that is due to the mental wearing down that can happen from refs impacting momentum. If the Lions scoop that fumble and return it for a TD, the D is on a totally different mindset compared to having the O fail to convert the TO into points.

It is a game of momentum. The adrenal rush can make all the difference, not to mention the change in confidence. No matter how "professional" these guys are, they are still human and emotions impact their play. The refs caused that high to be turned into a whatever. The rush was replaced by a crash, and that is never easily overcome. Even if that happened to only 1 guy, that is 1 guy who is not performing at their highest level and therefore vulnerable. So yes, the refs have ability to greatly impact a game.

Actually, that wasn't really a bad call. Watching it full speed (live) it looked like it could have been an incomplete pass. I didn't realize it was a fumble until it was replayed. I do understand that it would have been a huge TD but I don't blame the refs on that one. It was a bang bang play...that's part of the game.

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's not the point Tom. Refs are suppose to let it play out and then make a decision. They've been doing it since it was changed but not they decide to be whistle happy. Bad move by the refs and they 100% cost us a TD.

 

[elrod817]

Mitch[/color]]That's not the point Tom. Refs are suppose to let it play out and then make a decision. They've been doing it since it was changed but not they decide to be whistle happy. Bad move by the refs and they 100% cost us a TD.

This

They ignored their own protocol of letting plays play out and erring on the side of caution, rather than being whistle happy. Therefore, not only did they cost the Lions a touchdown, they also didn't follow their own rules. That is the definition of a bad call.

 

[lionskillpack]

Refs are not consistent lately. All year I've seen tds like the Young td called a td and then reviewed later to err on the side of caution. Same with that fumble. Remember the Bears game, Avril caused a fumble similar and they didn't blow a whistle but no Lion picked up the ball. This time they blew the whistle.

21-7 is much better than 14-10 but of course it could have been 21-14 giving Brees more time. The Colston spot when its 17-14 and Lions would have got a 3 and out stop was the biggest problem but it's the Lions fault for not challenging the spot.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't think forward process is challengable. Not sure.

 

[elrod817]

Mitch[/color]]I don't think forward process is challengable. Not sure.

Correct. You can challenge the spot of the ball, but if the ref gives them a spot due to forward progress, that is not challengeable. It should be in my opinion though...

 

[lionskillpack]

Yeah you can only challenge spots when hitting the ground. Brees pulled the ball back and it should have been wear he was tackled but that's not challengable.

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]That's not the point Tom. Refs are suppose to let it play out and then make a decision. They've been doing it since it was changed but not they decide to be whistle happy. Bad move by the refs and they 100% cost us a TD.

I see your point...the ref thinking it was a pass made it a bad call...but it sure looked like a pass at full speed. I really don't have a problem with the quick whistle. These refs have to make quick decisions with players flying around 100 mph. I am just tired of fans putting blame (even if it isn't all of the blame) on the refs. That playoff game loss was 100% on the defense.

 

[cheeno]

Mitch[/color]]That's not the point Tom. Refs are suppose to let it play out and then make a decision. They've been doing it since it was changed but not they decide to be whistle happy. Bad move by the refs and they 100% cost us a TD.

I see your point...the ref thinking it was a pass made it a bad call...but it sure looked like a pass at full speed. I really don't have a problem with the quick whistle. These refs have to make quick decisions with players flying around 100 mph. I am just tired of fans putting blame (even if it isn't all of the blame) on the refs. That playoff game loss was 100% on the defense.

The refs didn't drop sure picks, blow coverage, and not even line up correctly. Blame the defense for that and by association Gunther Cunningham. You can't be anti ref but pro Gunther.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]That's not the point Tom. Refs are suppose to let it play out and then make a decision. They've been doing it since it was changed but not they decide to be whistle happy. Bad move by the refs and they 100% cost us a TD.

I see your point...the ref thinking it was a pass made it a bad call...but it sure looked like a pass at full speed. I really don't have a problem with the quick whistle. These refs have to make quick decisions with players flying around 100 mph. I am just tired of fans putting blame (even if it isn't all of the blame) on the refs. That playoff game loss was 100% on the defense.

I'm nt sure you do, lol. Make quick decisions just don't blow the whistle. LET IT PLAY OUT then determine if it was a fumble or not. Like they've been doing all year.

 

[byco42]

Actually, that wasn't really a bad call. Watching it full speed (live) it looked like it could have been an incomplete pass. I didn't realize it was a fumble until it was replayed. I do understand that it would have been a huge TD but I don't blame the refs on that one. It was a bang bang play...that's part of the game.

The NFL does not agree with you. That said, your take on the situation is just outright ignorant.

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2012/1/9/2693438/lions-saints-playoffs-referees

Turns out the refs made the wrong call in awarding the ball to the Lions as well, because "inadvertent whistles are not reviewable."

And this reinforces my belief that the referees were worse than the Detroit defense.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I knew that. Screwed both ways but to say the saints got screwed would be incorrect because they did fumble. Just that the refs didn't know what the fk they were doing.

 

[tomdalton22]

Actually, that wasn't really a bad call. Watching it full speed (live) it looked like it could have been an incomplete pass. I didn't realize it was a fumble until it was replayed. I do understand that it would have been a huge TD but I don't blame the refs on that one. It was a bang bang play...that's part of the game.

The NFL does not agree with you. That said, your take on the situation is just outright ignorant.

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2012/1/9/2693438/lions-saints-playoffs-referees

Turns out the refs made the wrong call in awarding the ball to the Lions as well, because "inadvertent whistles are not reviewable."

So my take that the defense is 100% responsible for the Lions loss is ignorant? The Saints did whatever they wanted on offense...that Lions D was terrible and they have been every time they faced a good offense. Good calls or bad calls...that game was going to be won by the Saints.

 

[byco42]

Mitch[/color]]I knew that. Screwed both ways but to say the saints got screwed would be incorrect because they did fumble. Just that the refs didn't know what the fk they were doing.

The more complex the games get; the faster the players become--it's clear to me that the present method of refereeing professional football is getting obsolete, as are many of the referees. Some of those guys are older than I am.