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SI ranks all 32 starting QB's. Stafford ranked.......

So below average is "Very High". Gotcha. I see why you think Stafford is "Very Good"

Average. And it was high compared to other years. Like I said, one pressure can cause one pick. WR 3 and TE didn't step up. Calvin/Tate were blanketed in 3 losses. New system to learn. No run support. Drops. This all adds up.

Stafford did very well. We are talking over a season. 11 wins and only 5 picks his fault in 600 attempts. He led plenty of scoring drives. Would have led more if not for pressure, run game issues, new system, missed FGs an dsome WR 3 and TE problems etc etc

Stafford has everything in place. EVERYONE should expect an elite year. Stafford could win MVP this year.
 
Average. And it was high compared to other years. Like I said, one pressure can cause one pick. WR 3 and TE didn't step up. Calvin/Tate were blanketed in 3 losses. New system to learn. No run support. Drops. This all adds up.

Stafford did very well. We are talking over a season. 11 wins and only 5 picks his fault in 600 attempts. He led plenty of scoring drives. Would have led more if not for pressure, run game issues, new system, missed FGs an dsome WR 3 and TE problems etc etc

Stafford has everything in place. EVERYONE should expect an elite year. Stafford could win MVP this year.

What 5 this year were on Stafford?
 
Pressure by Pats, deep ball to Calvin with nobody open against Cards, Jordan Thompson hands, Fuller hands against GB, Fulller slip against Falcons, Griimes play and deep ball to Shields in one on one weren't on him.

Deep ball to Calvin against Carolina that somehow got popped up in the air wasn't on him either.

So really 4 his fault. Not 5. My bad.

Pick to Kennan Lewis, pick Gilmore against Buffal, 2 against Bears. 2 of those games were Lions wins with good Stafford play in second half.
 
I will take 5 game winning drives all day long from my QB. That means he stole 5 wins. Without them, the team is 6 & 10.

The Lions got hosed in that playoff game but to be fair, Lions coaching staff went conservative in second half and they should have never been in that situation. No running game, poor O-line forces a coaching staff to play it safe warranted or not. Just the upgrade on line is gonna take that conservative approach away as they will move the chains efficiently, and keep the defense fresh.

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I will take 5 game winning drives all day long from my QB. That means he stole 5 wins. Without them, the team is 6 & 10.

The Lions got hosed in that playoff game but to be fair, Lions coaching staff went conservative in second half and they should have never been in that situation. No running game, poor O-line forces a coaching staff to play it safe warranted or not. Just the upgrade on line is gonna take that conservative approach away as they will move the chains efficiently, and keep the defense fresh.

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Lions moved the ball in the second half. FG drive, Pettigrew PI drive and the last drive before Reiff whiffed. Ross bad return like 5 yards caused one super long drive to be made. And the fluke tip pick killed a drive. Lions ran it well actually that day.

The refs allowing holding allowed some long Cowboys drives to chew up clock. That plus bad Ross return, plus refs with Pettigrew killed the season. Lions were the better team.
 
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I stopped reading this thread when it was suggested that Stafford could win an MVP this season.

Yep.. done. Right there. Over.
 
No they don't. Those QBS lose when they have no run game and no wr talent and no protection. They lose. Any QB with a winning record, I can show you a run game or protection or multiple healthy weapons.

Stafford has had the worst situation due to many offensive injuries in 2012-2014. Lack of weapon depth in 2013. Plus a new system in 2014 and Raiola/Sims regression.

This has all been fixed. Elite numbers for Stafford this year to match his elite game tape.

Indy has had 2 great qbs. Peyton had WR help....but had an awful oline and terrible defense. Perennial Playoff contender...super bowl champion. Andrew luck has had one of the worst olines in football, awful defenses and terrible run support. Perennial playoff contender. Once again...great QBs overcome many obstacles and help their team win. Stafford has 1 little thing go wrong and boom....season over....try again next year.
 
Pressure by Pats, deep ball to Calvin with nobody open against Cards, Jordan Thompson hands, Fuller hands against GB, Fulller slip against Falcons, Griimes play and deep ball to Shields in one on one weren't on him.

Deep ball to Calvin against Carolina that somehow got popped up in the air wasn't on him either.

So really 4 his fault. Not 5. My bad.

Pick to Kennan Lewis, pick Gilmore against Buffal, 2 against Bears. 2 of those games were Lions wins with good Stafford play in second half.

So on a 1st and ten, down by 6, the correct read is a deep ball, that is severely under thrown, to a double covered WR? How in the world can you not put blame on the QB for that one? (Carolina)

Grimes play, while an athletic play, still ignores the fact he missed the wide open WR in the middle of the field for a walk in TD. Ignores the fact he still had 10+ yards of field to work with, again another underthrow. Usually an incomplete pass, but grimes did make a great play. However poor read and poor throw makes it on Stafford. If we ignore great plays, that takes away many yards and a good number of TDs away from stafford. So if you are going to excuse great plays one way, you have to excuse them when he benefits from them too.

Cardinals, while a bit more understandable based on down and distance, still an absolutely horrible overthrow. You can't miss a WR by that much. Blame is squarely on #9 for the INT, but this one didn't hurt as much as the others.

Jordan Thompson, when throwing to a 4th stringer, you need to be more accurate than that. No reason for that throw to be anywhere but between the numbers. Good throw it goes as an incomplete pass because of a drop. Bad throw makes it an INT. While he should of caught it, stafford gets 1/2 the blame. #1 QBs need to make it easier on #4 TEs.
Same with fuller tip INT. The one where Fuller falls is tough break and not on Stafford.

I assume you mean the the interception to House not Shields. That was a poor throw, simply an overthrow. Turned out better than an incompletition, but still on Staff.

Really the only one he had no fault in was when Fuller slipped.


However Stafford in 2014 interceptions were not his biggest issue. While he did have a few brutal ones, overall 12 is probably acceptable. Where he hurt us is the missed opportunity plays. There were too many instances where he missed the open guy or didn't see the wide open guy. 22 Tds in that many attempts is not good enough. He gained more yardage from YAC than almost any other QB in the league. Majority of his yards came from others making plays after he made a short throw. Lions need more to take the next step.
I understand trying to make Stafford get out of the teams way and not losing it for them. Having a top 5 defense last year that was good enough to get to the playoffs. However the goal should be superbowl, for that to happen he needs to take a huge step. No more excuse after excuse. We can't be paying him 22 million in 2016 to do the job of a game manger. He needs top 10 stats no matter what happens in 2015 or it is time to draft a young guy for 2016.
 
Stafford was an elite QB in 2011. He had weapons, run support and protection that year. And he was very good in 2013 and 2014 despite what the numbers say.

QBR, QB rating. These are team stats no matter the injuries.

Protection, run game, turnover support, number of healthy weapons that get separation and hold onto the ball all play into these stats.

Stafford is a borderline top 5 QB right now. Big Ben, Rivers, Matt Ryan, Romo, Stafford. All in the same TIER.

Stafford is good. Not slightly above average, average or bad. He is a good QB.

If only we'd had last year's defense in 2011. The offense would put up 30 but the D would give up 31. Then of course there was "Flynn Day" in week 17. More than any other game the last 5 years that one made me want to smash my TV...
 
So on a 1st and ten, down by 6, the correct read is a deep ball, that is severely under thrown, to a double covered WR? How in the world can you not put blame on the QB for that one? (Carolina)

Grimes play, while an athletic play, still ignores the fact he missed the wide open WR in the middle of the field for a walk in TD. Ignores the fact he still had 10+ yards of field to work with, again another underthrow. Usually an incomplete pass, but grimes did make a great play. However poor read and poor throw makes it on Stafford. If we ignore great plays, that takes away many yards and a good number of TDs away from stafford. So if you are going to excuse great plays one way, you have to excuse them when he benefits from them too.

Cardinals, while a bit more understandable based on down and distance, still an absolutely horrible overthrow. You can't miss a WR by that much. Blame is squarely on #9 for the INT, but this one didn't hurt as much as the others.

Jordan Thompson, when throwing to a 4th stringer, you need to be more accurate than that. No reason for that throw to be anywhere but between the numbers. Good throw it goes as an incomplete pass because of a drop. Bad throw makes it an INT. While he should of caught it, stafford gets 1/2 the blame. #1 QBs need to make it easier on #4 TEs.
Same with fuller tip INT. The one where Fuller falls is tough break and not on Stafford.

I assume you mean the the interception to House not Shields. That was a poor throw, simply an overthrow. Turned out better than an incompletition, but still on Staff.

Really the only one he had no fault in was when Fuller slipped.


However Stafford in 2014 interceptions were not his biggest issue. While he did have a few brutal ones, overall 12 is probably acceptable. Where he hurt us is the missed opportunity plays. There were too many instances where he missed the open guy or didn't see the wide open guy. 22 Tds in that many attempts is not good enough. He gained more yardage from YAC than almost any other QB in the league. Majority of his yards came from others making plays after he made a short throw. Lions need more to take the next step.
I understand trying to make Stafford get out of the teams way and not losing it for them. Having a top 5 defense last year that was good enough to get to the playoffs. However the goal should be superbowl, for that to happen he needs to take a huge step. No more excuse after excuse. We can't be paying him 22 million in 2016 to do the job of a game manger. He needs top 10 stats no matter what happens in 2015 or it is time to draft a young guy for 2016.

All fine throws. Calvin one on one. You go to Calvin against House and Grimes.

Cards nobody was open. Thompson clearly needs to catch that.

None of those are on Stafford.

I'll give you the Carolina one. But not really since it was a fluke. Only 4 his fault. 11 wins. Many great plays. Stafford was the reason our offense looked good at all.

Stafford did all of this with no run game, 13 missed FGs and poor protection 32% of the time. In a new system. Great job Stafford
 
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If only we'd had last year's defense in 2011. The offense would put up 30 but the D would give up 31. Then of course there was "Flynn Day" in week 17. More than any other game the last 5 years that one made me want to smash my TV...

2011 the defense was great the first 10 games. 34 turnovers forced. Shows how turnovers can give a QB 40 TDs.

Houston, Delmas and Spievey all getting hurt cause major problems in the last 6 weeks and playoff game.
 
I was gone most of the day, looks like I didn't miss much in this thread.
 
All fine throws. Calvin one on one. You go to Calvin against House and Grimes.

Cards nobody was open. Thompson clearly needs to catch that.

None of those are on Stafford.

I'll give you the Carolina one. But not really since it was a fluke. Only 4 his fault. 11 wins. Many great plays. Stafford was the reason our offense looked good at all.

Stafford did all of this with no run game, 13 missed FGs and poor protection 32% of the time. In a new system. Great job Stafford


So just to be clear. You..the self proclaimed expert in film breakdown consider this double coverage on Calvin (Guy wide open in middle of the field between the 20s):
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But this single coverage:
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So just to be clear. You..the self proclaimed expert in film breakdown consider this double coverage on Calvin (Guy wide open in middle of the field between the 20s):
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But this single coverage:
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House made a miracle catch. You take your shots. I said grimes was single coverage. There was also pressure by packers on that int too

And ebron was the first read and had single. That is why it went to ebron
 
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Carolina, both Green Bay, Atlanta, Thompson, grimes, cardinals and pats. Not his fault..

We won Green Bay, at Chicago, Saints, Dolphins and falcons games by the way. With great plays by stafford
 
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